KG was never the franchise player Dirk is. He wanted to be paid like one, but never was the closer Dirk is. That's what I want my main player to be able to do. Even in the finals in 08, KG played too much hot potato with the ball.
Taking a team full of average players to the Finals like Dirk is doing for a second time is more than anything KG has achieved. I don't want to open the whole KG v. Dirk debate, it's been debated here ad nauseum. I said that while KG was probably a lesser player, his career would be better remembered after the two finals appearances. Now Dirk will most likely have two as well, and with much weaker casts.
Was debating this with a Mavs fan before Game 4. i agree I would still give KG the edge. but Dirk doesnt appear to be slowing down. IF dirk rings he definitely has a "case" ...but i still would argue KG up to this point and even with just ring each. but dirk has a few more seasons like this past one ...his case is strong.
Great points. I cant disagree. However I think (or thought though dirk is making me reconsider) that KG is closer to dirk offensively (meaning the gap is not as wide) as the gap is between KG's defense and dirk's.
But if dirk rings, like i said it will be a interesting debate. Especially if dirk puts up a few more seasons like the past couple ...
Prime KG was a beast. Prime KG with Kidd and Chandler win the ring easily.
and I also hate the piece of .
#1 Duncan (by a mile)
#2 KG
#3 Malone
#4 Dirk
#5 Barkley
IF Dirk wins 1 ring, he goes ahead of Malon.
IF Dirk wins 3 rings, he goes ahead of KG.
IF Dirk wins 5 rings, he goes ahead of Duncan.
wow someone also values "rings" ...neat concept. Only the fans of teams/stars without rings dismiss their importance. And no one please bring up Horry, we are talking best PF's of the past 30 years ...I love Big shot rob but he is NOT in this discussion.
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One more dirk note ...
If dirk closes this out next game with a signature performance. As much as I admire Duncan, kobe and shaq i would have to rank this playoff run up there with hakeem's as the best I have seen since Hakeem's back2back ...OFFENSIVELY. Obviously all 4 have had better "two way" playoff runs, but dirk offensively is on another planet. since Mj I think only hakeem's run has been better. But he HAS to win.
because even though he may not realize it, his smack about kobe is accurate. you will see once LeBron rings and they start to do the comparison of MJ, Kobe, LeBron that Kobe's stats will expose him as a glorified chucker.lol a lot of spur fans giving praise to BR when he knocks on kobe, but when BR talks smack about their hero tim duncan they start to
Word!
Actually his 2006 run also was stuff of legends, even with a not so superb Finals.
Currently he is. KG is in prime though was better, could score, rebound, and defend. Dirk is a scorer.
Dirk is a closer, KG played hot potato with a basketball in closing moments. That's not a franchise player.
Dirk might be best PF of some period of years in his career, but Tim is the best all-time sucka
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Dirk is a franchise player.
He's also been the best regular season player since 2000. Its really not close. His production in the regular season has been unmatched during that time span. He only needs a championship to validate his legacy. His career is similar to Peyton Manning's. If Dirk wins a championship, he may go down as the best player in this generation. Its debatable but he's in the debate.
1 NBA le to Duncan's 4
Yeah makes sense..
Dirk has clearly established himself as the best player the month of may 2011 has ever seen..
ITS ALL ABOUT RINGS!:
unless we're comparing Duncan and Kobe
It's always about rings when you have them, but when you don't, it's the lower goals that you look at like MVP and that kind of thing.
Also, the Mavs aren't in the Spurs/Lakers talk. They have a decade to go where they have to dominate the league before that can happen. Right now they are 2006 Mavs, and not even that just yet because they haven't made it to the Finals. When they do, they have to face Wade again, and this time instead of an old, fat Shaq, they will have Lebron and Bosh. Of course, no Alonzo Mourning.
Only ignorant people believe Horry is better than Jordan.
IF (and it's still an IF) Dirk wins this year...what will his ring total be up to??? One??? And he's better than Timmy???
This arguement is completely stupid. Like saying Dirk is better than Larry Bird????
It blows my mind how fans react to one year. Before the playoffs started (THIS YEAR!!!)...Dirk and the Mavs were a bunch of choke artists who were always too soft and couldn't get it done....Now there the greatest team in 15 years...Dirk is better than Bird....and Dirk is the best PF of all-time. WOW....what a great year.
Dirk is the best player in the playoffs right now, but to say that he's better than Duncan over the past 15 years is laughable.
Why everybody is acting like Dirk has no ring ? He already won a ring, it would be his second but still 4>2
Just another troll thread
Nothing to see here
Here we go again will all these "ifs". If my aunt was my uncle she'd stand up to take a piss.
So I guess it's Tim Duncan's fault he played with manu tp and robinson??
I respect the out of Dirk...but I think people are going WAAAAY overboard. He's a Great (not a good) player, but c'mon man....better than Timmy and Bird??? Laughable.
Holla at me when Dirk wins his 3rd ring...we'll revisit this conversation.
I guess they give out rings for winning the Western Conference???
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