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    Asik played the same amount of minutes Splitter did. He received his share of DNPCD, just like Splitter did.
    Nope. WRONG. Asik played in all 82 games, and has played in every playoff game so far this year.

    I'm not surprised you assume something to be true that isn't. That's what happens when your continually grabbing at straws.

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    Tom Thibodeau has been playing a rook 7' all year long (Asik). And getting good contributions. Not to mention building the kid's confidence and experience. And Asik doesn't shoot the 15 footer either, how bout that!

    Pop and his rook? Not so much.
    Damn, Asik is solid defencivelly. Can we get him some playing time?

    Pop: "but..but..but.. he's a rookie, no corporate knowledge..and ginger needs his 20 min"

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    Comparing these Spurs with Chicago is silly though... for a number of different reasons.

    The Spurs are who they are. We're not going to have a Rose on the offensive end, and I agree with Pop we don't have the personnel to be a top 3 defensive team. But being somewhere between 5-8 I think it's attainable, provided we stop rolling with the turds and the softies.
    All the more reason Splitter should have been in the rotation IMO.

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    Why is it crap? Splitter did alot of things well, the few spot minutes he got in the Memphis series, but he also got abused, along with all of the Spur's frontline, against Randoph and Gasol. Once Memphis realized the Spurs couldn't score down low, they completely shut down the Spurs offense. Would starting Splitter had made a difference in that series? If Duncan could of scored more, or Ginoboli could of been 100% healthy, or TP living in the paint scoring or dishing off, etc.... Lack of playing time for Splitter, was not the reason the Spurs lost.
    The fallacy is that you restrict this to the single series. Splitter SHOULD have gotten more run throughout the season, training camp be damned, fairness to the other 'vets' be damned too. When the hit the fan, Pop clearly saw he needed his size out there, but it was too little too late: He failed to develop him throughout the season, thus the panic, out of character move was obviously short lived.

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    Before the season started, pop said splitter will contribute right away. He must have seen something to give him that opinion. After spliters injury, he didn't bother giving him any minutes, it's obvious he overestimated blair/bonner/dice, and went with offence rest of the season, thinking his regular season record would translate into playoffs success.

    lol bonner 26 3pt% in playoffs, and last 2 months of regular season
    lol blair hitting the drive threw, and eating his way out of the rotation down the stretch
    lol dice running on fumes in the starting lineup
    All true. Why didn't Pop play Splitter? IMO Splitter should have gotten at least 5 minutes a night. Did the injuries to Splitter impede his progress. Pop and the coaching staff see Splitter up close and at every practice and for a team desperate for size, Pop still didn't put Splitter in the rotation. That tells me that they the coaching staff felt Splitter wasn't ready. If they were wrong, then Pop made a boneheaded mistake.

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    "Collison has more of an offensive game than Splitter."

    Why? Because he has a 12 foot jumper?
    Last edited by TimDunkem; 05-16-2011 at 01:44 AM.

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    Are you kidding? Splitter would have had the big 3 and more P&R than he could ever dream of in Europe.

    You're like the energizer bunny of excuses around here.
    Your stuck in 07. The big 3 are not the big 3 no more.

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    All true. Why didn't Pop play Splitter? IMO Splitter should have gotten at least 5 minutes a night. Did the injuries to Splitter impede his progress. Pop and the coaching staff see Splitter up close and at every practice and for a team desperate for size, Pop still didn't put Splitter in the rotation. That tells me that they the coaching staff felt Splitter wasn't ready. If they were wrong, then Pop made a boneheaded mistake.
    He did make a boneheaded mistake. And that's ok. He's isn't perfect. I love Larry Brown as a coach and he makes dumb decisions like that all the time too.

    The 'not fair' card mid-season was ridiculous, and not letting him play 4th quarters when TD was injured and he had good games was ridiculous too. You just hope he learns from stuff like that, but when you read he wouldn't have changed a lick, then you're left wondering what's up.

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    BTW, for those expecting off-season miracles, I want to remind you that Blair was supposed to be developing a mid-range jumper last summer, and that RJ worked out with Pop all summer long...
    You have to be realistic here. Tiago won't develop THAT much over the summer. You just hope he at least lets go of certain bad habits.

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    Your stuck in 07. The big 3 are not the big 3 no more.
    TP & Manu were both playing at all star level throughout the season. Duncan in shorter stretches but recorded 2nd best PER for centers. Could have easily made 3rd team AS.

    You are either stupid or grasping at straws.

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    "Collison has more of an offensive game than Splitter."

    Why? Because he has a 12 foot jumper?
    He shoots it once a game too, don't forget.

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    TP & Manu were both playing at all star level throughout the season. Duncan in shorter stretches but recorded 2nd best PER for centers. Could have easily made 3rd team AS.

    You are either stupid or grasping at straws.
    Okay dumb , have you ever in your time watching the Spurs, ever seen Duncan shutdown and made irrelevant like he was against Memphis. Did you honestly expect that if Duncan couldn't put up 15 points or more a game, that the Spurs could of beaten Memphis? If Duncan couldn't put up his usal numbers, the Spurs wern't going nowwhere in the playoffs, and shazam, look what happened.

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    What else was ridiculous, in multiple blow out games splitter didn't even receive garbage minutes, pop had novak, blair, even green playing instead. Clearly he didn't think he'd need him. Fastforward to the mepmhis series.. pop panics and starts playing splitter all of a sudden, if that's not an admission of a faulty strategy, then I don't know what is.

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    What else was ridiculous, in multiple blow out games splitter didn't even receive garbage minutes, pop had novak, blair, even green playing instead. Clearly he didn't think he'd need him. Fastforward to the mepmhis series.. pop panics and starts playing splitter all of a sudden, if that's not an admission of a faulty strategy, then I don't know what is.
    Fauty strategy, or every other big for the Spurs, other than Tim, were getting their ass kicked.

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    Fauty strategy, or every other big for the Spurs, other than Tim, were getting their ass kicked.
    I agree, bonner/blair/dice were getting dominated when the playoffs came.

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    Okay dumb , have you ever in your time watching the Spurs, ever seen Duncan shutdown and made irrelevant like he was against Memphis. Did you honestly expect that if Duncan couldn't put up 15 points or more a game, that the Spurs could of beaten Memphis? If Duncan couldn't put up his usal numbers, the Spurs wern't going nowwhere in the playoffs, and shazam, look what happened.
    We've covered this one already, but seems you have retention defecit disorder.

    Duncan had to use all his energy to focus on defense, thanks to Matt Bonner logging 20 minutes a game. Bonner was not a good matchup against the grizzlies and most people saw this after the first 5 minutes of watching Bonner in game 1. Yet Pop never saw it.

    Duncan's rebounds & blocks were on par with his regular season numbers. And actually a little higher on blocks which shows he was active on defense. His points were down, however. Bound to happen when you have to guard both the opposing teams' bigs half of every game at age 35.

    Try another straw, dumb .

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    Fauty strategy, or every other big for the Spurs, other than Tim, were getting their ass kicked.
    I'd say he got his ass handed to him as well. (Of course that's usually the case when you're maning the paint all by yourself) Even YOU said he was shutdown and made irrelevant.

    Still, it makes no sense to say, "Let's keep our second best big on the bench until our rotation bigs get their asses' kicked."

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    "every other big for the Spurs" were getting their ass kicked throughout the season too, and nothing was changed to address that situation. Dice was probably the 2nd best defender and that's being generous. We were just a scoring machine which hid the fact we couldn't guard anybody inside. Once the offense started running on fumes though, it just brought the gimmick front and center.

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    I'd say he got his ass handed to him as well. (Of course that's usually the case when you're maning the paint all by yourself) Even YOU said he was shutdown and made irrelevant.

    Still, it makes no sense to say, "Let's keep our second best big on the bench until our rotation bigs get their asses' kicked."
    Seriously bro, Duncan did the best he could, it was him against both gasol/zbo in the paint, everytime he played with ginger/blair out there, and dice to a lesser extent.

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    Nail on the head. IMO that was the biggest reason we lost to Memphis. Tim just couldn't get off against Memphis's size. Although the Spurs aren't the defesive juggernaut of yesteryear, they still played well enough to win against Memphis. Pop and RC need to find a big to help Tim on the offensive end, as well as defense. Splitter has shown enough on the defensive side of the ball, but the Spurs still need a post player that score down low. Can Splitter be that guy? I hope so.
    Totally disagree. TD was not the biggest reason why Spurs lost. IMO, these are the major reasons:

    1) Bonner/Blair
    2) TP playing poorly for 1st - 3rd games
    3) RJ's disappearance
    4) Manu's injury

    Spurs don't need to find a post player that can score down low. They need a defensive big who will actually help TD defend the paint - not be a liability who he has to help cover for.

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    Popsuckers have sunk to a new level of stupidity in this thread.

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    Popsuckers have sunk to a new level of stupidity in this thread.
    4 rings .

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    Thats done what for the past 4 years?

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    Thats done what for the past 4 years?
    Chomag robot does not compute smily face on end of my sentence. Reboot, reboot.

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    Because no matter how you slice it, if Manu ain’t healthy historically we go nowhere.

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