Dirk or David Robinson?

[Henke]

Mavs fans acting like 2006 and 2007 never happened.

Spurs fans acting like 1995 and 2011 never happened.

Dirk erased his past failures with a legendary postseason run and a championship as the unquestionable #1 guy.
When exactly Robinson exorcized his demons from 1995?With coatailling one of the Top7 players of all time and finally winning?

And since YOU mention 2006 and 2007,I don't care about Robinson's poor supporting cast in 1995,or any other excuse,no matter how legit they are(I agree that the Spurs front office failed him).
I have plenty of them for 2006 and 2007 too.Especially for 2006.

Just want to get things right, and stop people from posting revisionist history. On a scheme of things, I will rank both Robinson and Dirk in the 10-20 all time talents, with Robinson slightly ahead in terms of ability, and Dirk having a better career.

I don't have a problem with this.
As I wrote before,it's just rediculous for someone to believe that this is not a legit comparison,that Robinson is on an entire different level than Dirk and Mavs fans just being y after winning the ship.

I mean,after all I can understand what Robinson means to the Spurs and the city of San Antonio in general and why you feel the need to bump him up because he was unlucky(great talent/failed by teammates and front office during his prime).

[jjktkk]

People with Robinson avatars and like Robinson over Duncan are equally as gy as Bulls fans who put Pippen up on a pedestal he doesn't belong on.

If anyone knows about gy avatars....

[4lifecowboy]

It's very funny watching all these Spurs fans acting like this is not even a debate and it's a blashphemy to compare Dirk Nowitzki to David Robinson.
After all we're talking about the fanbase where a Dirk/Manu comparison would end up like 40%-60% in favor of Ginobili.

David Robinson aka the admiral aka the ing GOAT of regular season stats and fantasy basketball.

You can have Robinson,his GREAT regular season numbers and the 2 rings he won following Tim ing Duncan and I can have Dirk,his playoffs performances and the ing ring he won as the #1,with the 2nd guy in the team being centuries behind him in terms of production.

We're all good I guess.

We do have Robinson and all he has accomplished and very happy with it, if you don't like that STF outta our board!!!! And yes Ginobili = Dirk would be more valid arguement than Dirk = Robinson. When you reach dynasty status then come with an arguement, meanwhile enjoy you slice and stop comparing it to those who has had the whole pie!

[Greg Oden]

If anyone knows about gy avatars....

.... it would be the guy with an austin powers picture. did you think that was funny or something when you chose it?

[Axe Murderer]

Henke bullyin s in the post

[jjktkk]

.... it would be the guy with an austin powers picture. did you think that was funny or something when you chose it?

Gotdam that was funny, hope you here all week.

[Greg Oden]

Gotdam that was funny, hope you here all week.

lol not having the mental capacity to post anything funny. Evidence by getting kicked out of school and forced to become a cop

[jjktkk]

lol not having the mental capacity to post anything funny. Evidence by getting kicked out of school and forced to become a cop

Lol, Evidence? You get ahold of my transcript? Forced to become a cop? Comedy central stuff tbh. Next thing your gonna tell me, is you like to squat on Pepsi bottles.

[Blake]

Next thing your gonna tell me, is you like to squat on Pepsi bottles.

Zing!

I bet the next thing youre gonna tell him is that your wife is going to run him over with a car because of the Pepsi.

[Greg Oden]

Running "your posts aren't funny" smack right after avatar smack It's no wonder where you are currently in life.

[Proxy]

Wasn't a winner? The man has two rings no matter how you slice it, he played in the Jordan era in his prime, and never had a legit wing man til Duncan came along. this arguement is re ed, Dirk could carry D-Rob's jock strap in any era! how is that for Arrogant! LOL at comparing an one dimensional, jump shooter to one of the top all around centers to ever play the game)

I'm just as much of a spurs fan as you, and the Admiral was my favorite player when I started watching the NBA... but I've got to say you're in denial.

First of all, when the did anyone care or compare players based on a hypothetical one-on-one situation? Of course DRob would take Dirk in a pick up game... big deal. KG would take TD too, but we all know that doesn't factor into anything, greatness-wise.

Second of all, you, and the majority of the Spurs fans saying Admiral>Dirk are in a huge denial or you're a legit homer. David's game declined in the playoffs. That's why the Spurs never won until Duncan came into the picture. He never had the killer instinct of a champion.

Dirk on the other hand has been the opposite. He becomes an unstoppable force in the playoffs. We as Spurs fans, of all people, should know this. Out of all the people Bruce ever defended, Nowitzki was the hardest matchup. Stats aside, Dirk was clutch, and David wasn't. Dirk>Admiral

Hey Proxy, Findog and Mavfan1000, this guy just called you s.

Kobe wasn't a winner in 05 to 07. I mean, when we compared Robinson vs. Dirk, we don't look at compe ion, defenses, teammates, coaches, nothing, we just look at the two players in a vacuum, and whether they led their teams to a championship, right? So why is this a faulty way of looking at a player's individual season?

Why would the best player not win the championship every single season? Why didn't Jordan win the championship before Phil Jackson, Scottie and Rodman/Grant? Why didn't Shaq win all the championships from 99 to 04? Why didn't Kobe lead his team past the 1st round between 05 to 07? Why did Dirk fail to lead the Mavs to a bunch of championships prior? Why didn't Duncan lead the Spurs to 5 consecutive les from 03 to 07?

Wtf are you trying to say? Your sarcasm is failing you, and in your stupid-ass rant, you make the point that Robinson never *led* a team to , and Dirk did. Dominant HOF stats on both sides of the argument... one better at D, and the other better at O.....CLUTCH PLAY and STEPPING UP in the PLAYOFFS... separates the two players. Dirk is the greater of the two.

PS - I like how the Spurs hivemind uses "team based "accolades to defend Duncan as the greatest PF, but disregard them in an argument for Dirk and his FMVP... Spursnation says Kobe rode the coattails of Shaq, but the Admiral didn't ride TD's... consistency people!

[4lifecowboy]

[QUOTE=Proxy;5308871]I'm just as much of a spurs fan as you, and the Admiral was my favorite player when I started watching the NBA... but I've got to say you're in denial.

First of all, when the did anyone care or compare players based on a hypothetical one-on-one situation? Of course DRob would take Dirk in a pick up game... big deal. KG would take TD too, but we all know that doesn't factor into anything, greatness-wise.

Second of all, you, and the majority of the Spurs fans saying Admiral>Dirk are in a huge denial or you're a legit homer. David's game declined in the playoffs. That's why the Spurs never won until Duncan came into the picture. He never had the killer instinct of a champion.

Dirk on the other hand has been the opposite. He becomes an unstoppable force in the playoffs. We as Spurs fans, of all people, should know this. Out of all the people Bruce ever defended, Nowitzki was the hardest matchup. Stats aside, Dirk was clutch, and David wasn't. Dirk>Admiral



I don't care in what fashion you are making the comparison; who had the better career, who is better in a game of one on one, which would I build a team around, the answer would be the same.
Robinson's failures is mostly attributed to never having a legit wing man, if robinson's career was anchored in a larger market or had a free spending owner(something Dirk had the luxury of the majority of his career) the non validity of this comparison would be more obvious. How many times was the Mav's overhauled around Dirk? They finally get the right combination of players and cir stances and he's the second coming GTF outta here. Call it what you wanna call it Homerism, denial, I'll call it what is, common sense.

[redzero]

Simple yet effective troll thread.

[Proxy]

I don't care in what fashion you are making the comparison; who had the better career, who is better in a game of one on one, which would I build a team around, the answer would be the same.
Robinson's failures is mostly attributed to never having a legit wing man, if robinson's career was anchored in a larger market or had a free spending owner(something Dirk had the luxury of the majority of his career) the non validity of this comparison would be more obvious. How many times was the Mav's overhauled around Dirk? They finally get the right combination of players and cir stances and he's the second coming GTF outta here. Call it what you wanna call it Homerism, denial, I'll call it what is, common sense.

So you're just going to preach common sense and then go and ignore that Dirk's stats improve when it matters most, and DRob's declined? You're going to ignore that Dirk is obviously more clutch? That has nothing to do with the team, and everything with the individual.

PS - DRob has no rings without TD's existence.

[jjktkk]

Running "your posts aren't funny" smack right after avatar smack It's no wonder where you are currently in life.

My adult life is fine, you still live with your parents?

[Solid D]

Interesting question. Would the Spurs have won the le in 1999 if Mario Elie had not been signed as a FA? What if the Spurs had not selected 1st in '97 but had selected Tracy McGrady instead. Would they have won the le in '99 or '03?

Sometimes, it's a Tyson Chandler or a Shawn Marion move that makes the difference in winning an NBA Championship and losing to the Spurs in the first round. Same Dirk...just a tweak and a break elsewhere.

[jjktkk]

Zing!

I bet the next thing youre gonna tell him is that your wife is going to run him over with a car because of the Pepsi.

Good idea, but I don't want my insurance premiums to go up.

[Nathan Explosion]

If Dirk had to face a prime DRob, he wouldn't have put up the numbers he did. A lot of "experts" want to say that Dwight Howard is the best defensive big man since Bill Russell, but they're forgetting that Hakeem and DRob played in the 90s. Both of those guys were better defenders than Howard.

In fact, you could make the case that Hakeem and DRob are two of the top 5 defensive centers in history (I'm not so sure, but it's not out of the realm of possibilty), definitely top 10.

DRob had the lateral quickness to negate Dirk's dribble drive game, the body strength to not let Dirk post up, and the athletic ability (read long arms and jumping ability) to bother Dirk's shot. The guy could jump out of the gym.

And he was no slouch as a help defender (protecting the rim) and rebounder. His footspeed allowed him to cover a lot of ground in a hurry.

Anyone who ever watched DRob play should know that his defense is head and shoulders above Dirk's, not even in the same hemisphere.

Oh, and DRob was known to have the ability to put the ball through the hoop too. If you're starting a franchise, you want DRob.

Now, if you're the Spurs, Dirk might be a better fit because of his perimeter game. So as someone stated many pages back, it depends on your team. If you're rebuilding, you take one of the best defensive big men of all time who can score at will too. If you need a major piece to put you over the top, Dirk will do.

[DMC]

Wow, what a ty take. So a finals mvp and a ring doesn't bump someone up the all time great list?

I didn't say anything about a list. I love how so many of you just read what you want to read.

It didn't make him a better player. He was that good already, just didn't have the hardware. Hardware improves your standing on lists. You get good first though.

Idiot

[Nathan89]

I didn't say anything about a list. I love how so many of you just read what you want to read.

It didn't make him a better player. He was that good already, just didn't have the hardware. Hardware improves your standing on lists. You get good first though.

Idiot

Obviously, but now we know how good he actually is.

[rmt]

Don't know how some people can so under-rate defense - it is half of the game. It's just the typical what have you done lately. Here's an interesting article:

http://www.fullcourtpest.com/2011/06...e-it-easy.html

specifically - "he lacks certain things that most of those players in that upper echelon possess, such as a dominant impact on the defensive end. Or some other skill to fall back on when his shot isn't falling (in game 6, when he was busy going 4-21 through 3 quarters, what else was Dirk doing to try to impact the game? Not a whole lot). He's not a great rebounder for his size (I don't care how far away he is from the basket during the offense, no 7 footer should only grab 2 offensive rebounds in a 6 game series).

If I'm starting a franchise, I'm picking TD, DRob and KG over Dirk.

[100%duncan]

[4lifecowboy]

So you're just going to preach common sense and then go and ignore that Dirk's stats improve when it matters most, and DRob's declined? You're going to ignore that Dirk is obviously more clutch? That has nothing to do with the team, and everything with the individual.

PS - DRob has no rings without TD's existence.

WTF are you talking about? Without Pippen what would Jordan have? Without
Mahale what would Bird have? Without Terry (and Cuban) what would Dirk have? Of course your performance would decline without another player able to demand some sort of attention from the other team defensively. Clutch? By the way you're defining it Horry should be the GOAT, but he is not.

[Russo21]

Enough bickering guys. All i know is this...

It'd be a matchup for the ages watching prime dirk and prime david going against each other!! :-)

Dirk is one of the most unstoppable offensive forces in the game today. Of all the guys i can think of over the last 20 or so years in regards to defending nowitzki, i'd say David Robinson would be best equipped to guard him, with strength, quickness, height and awareness. Whether he'd win or not i dont care. It'd just be a heck of a matchup.

As would Dirk vs Hakeem
&
Dirk vs Dennis Rodman

All three of those matchups would have been must see:-)

[Proxy]

WTF are you talking about? Without Pippen what would Jordan have? Without
Mahale what would Bird have? Without Terry (and Cuban) what would Dirk have? Of course your performance would decline without another player able to demand some sort of attention from the other team defensively. Clutch? By the way you're defining it Horry should be the GOAT, but he is not.

Horry argument + Terry & Cuban = 4lifecowboy the homer idiot.

and I see you're still not addressing the playoff performances and clutchness factors I put out there.

You're close minded, so I'm done talking to you.

PS - I'm sure MJ and Bird would've gotten rings