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    And that is the fact as I see it.

    There is no separate "trust fund." All the excesses over the years have been spent on government functions supported by taxes.
    SS holds US govt bonds. SS is just another "investor" in the USA.

    So you think the govt will default only on the SS bonds but not default on the super-wealthy's and China's bonds?

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    Timeline: Rick Perry’s Shifting Positions On The Cons utionality Of Medicare and Social Security


    Nov. 6, 2010: In an interview on CNN, Perry proposes letting states opt their citizens out of Social Security. This proposal is economically impossible to implement, because workers who are too young to receive Social Security benefits would move to an opt-out state to avoid paying Social Security taxes — and then promptly move to a state with Social Security benefits the moment they became eligible. Eventually, the entire system would collapse under the weight of too many Social Security beneficiaries who had not paid into the system.

    Nov. 15, 2010: Perry publishes Fed Up!, his manifesto against letting the federal government do pretty much anything other than invade foreign nations and maybe deliver the mail. Fed Up! attacks Supreme Court cases permitting “federal laws regulating the environment, regulating guns, protecting civil rights, establishing the massive programs and Medicare and Medicaid, creating national minimum wage laws, [and] establishing national labor laws,” and it argues that we have Social Security “at the expense of respect for the Cons ution and limited government.”

    Aug. 12, 2011: The Daily Beast publishes an interview with Perry from shortly after he released his book. In it, Perry reiterates his view that Medicare and Social Security violate the Cons ution. “I don’t think our founding fathers when they were putting the term ‘general welfare’ in there were thinking about a federally operated program of pensions nor a federally operated program of health care. What they clearly said was that those were issues that the states need to address.”

    Aug. 13, 2011: Perry announces that he is running for president. His campaign announcement echoes a central theme of Fed Up!, that Perry is on a mission to set America “free from the shackles of overbearing federal government.”

    Aug. 14, 2011: At his very first campaign stop in Iowa, Perry is asked how he would handle en lement programs such as Social Security and Medicare if elected president. Perry responds, “Have you read my book, ‘Fed Up!’ Get a copy and read it.”

    Aug. 15, 2011: Perry cites Fed Up! again on the campaign trail, this time pointing to the book’s harsh stance on federal education programs. “I don’t think the federal government has a role in your children’s education.”

    Aug. 18, 2011: Angry protestors confront Perry at a campaign stop in a New Hampshire restaurant with chants of “hands off Social Security and Medicare!” When a voter reminds Perry that he “said Social Security is uncons utional,” Perry refuses to respond. Instead, he stuffs a large piece of popover — a hollow egg batter roll similar to a Yorkshire pudding — into his mouth and insists that he can’t answer because “I’ve got a big mouthful.”

    Later That Day: Perry’s communications director Ray Sullivan tells the Wall Street Journal that “‘Fed Up!’ is not meant to reflect the governor’s current views” on Social Security and that Perry’s nine month-old book is “not in any way [] a 2012 campaign blueprint or manifesto.”

    Aug. 27, 2011: Perry undisavows Fed Up!. At a campaign stop in Iowa, ThinkProgress’ Scott Keyes asks Perry whether states-rights supporters should be worried that “as governor you said that Social Security is not something that falls in the purview of the federal government, but in your campaign, [you] have backed off that.” Perry is incredulous at the suggestion that his communications director’s nine day-old statement disavowing Fed Up! actually reflects the governor’s current views. “I haven’t backed off anything in my book. Read the book again, get it right. Next question.”

    Five Minutes Later: Perry un-undisavows Fed Up!. Just a few short minutes after re-embracing Fed Up!‘s claim that Social Security is uncons utional, Perry tries to distance himself from this view once again. “Those that have said that I said [Medicare and Social Security are] uncons utional, I’m going to have them read the book. That’s not what I said.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...s-medicare-ss/

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    Where the do you think that they are going to get the CASH to pay off those bonds?

    Washington pissed away the "trust fund" and is hooked on the spending crack. The only way they can pay those obligations is to go cold turkey and start spending less than they take in which will NEVER happen.

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    "Where the do you think that they are going to get the CASH to pay off those bonds?"

    Same place they get all that cash to run two wars and subsidize the MIC and BigPharma?

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    'Fed Up!' is likely to haunt campaign


    The walk-back on Gov. Rick Perry's book “Fed Up!” began in earnest last week, but soon we might need to see a walk-back on the walk-back.


    I thought from the time I read it that Perry's book should have been led “Why I Should Not Be President.” As more people realize what he wants to do to Social Security, for example, the fear among seniors, who vote in consistent numbers, will only grow.

    the governor gives every indication on Page 175 that the book is, well, a campaign blueprint or manifesto.

    “Here are the steps we must take,” Perry writes, “to wrest the reins of the federal government from those who have let it run wild for far too long — some specific, and some general:”

    What follows is a five-point path forward that begins with “Repeal Obamacare” and ends with “Adopt Certain Important Structural Reforms.” It tracks closely with his campaign rhetoric so far.

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/new...gn-2144597.php

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    Perry endorses concept of preemptive strike at VFW conference

    Gov. Rick Perry endorsed an aggressive foreign policy doctrine, including support for the concept of preemptive strikes, in his welcoming remarks this morning at the Veterans of Foreign Wars national convention in San Antonio.

    Speaking to thousands of registrants and veterans at the Henry B. Gonzalez Convention Center, Perry also strongly defended the United States’ unilateral powers in declaring war.

    “We must renew our commitment to taking the fight to the enemy, wherever they are, before they strike at home,” Perry said.

    Perry identifies a number of countries and issues that “require our attention and investment in defense capabilities.” His list includes China, India, and “leftists in Latin America” such as Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez, in addition to the usual list of rogue states, which includes North Korea and Iran.

    http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/2011/08/3418/

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    Yep, dumb as . Americans are just loving endless wars and the 1000s of military and $Ts wasted fighting them.

    Go, Jimmy Ricky, Go!

    The MIC loves paranoia (and the $Ts it sucks out of taxpayers)!

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    Letter to Gov. Rick Perry on Social Security Comments

    Written by Dean Baker
    Monday, 29 August 2011 15:45

    The Honorable Rick Perry
    Office of the Governor
    State Insurance Building
    1100 San Jacinto
    Austin, TX 78711-2428

    Dear Governor Perry,

    When asked about Social Security during a recent campaign stop in Iowa, you said:

    "It is a Ponzi scheme for these young people. The idea that they're working and paying into Social Security today, that the current program is going to be there for them, is a lie," Perry said. "It is a monstrous lie on this generation, and we can't do that to them."

    With all due respect, this is not true. The recommendations of the National Commission on Social Security Reform in 1983 led to the growth of a large surplus in Social Security. This surplus was used to buy bonds and now Social Security holds more than $2.6 trillion in government bonds. As a result, the Congressional Budget Office’s projections show that the program will maintain full solvency through the year 2038.

    Even if Congress never makes any changes to the program, Social Security will be able to pay slightly more than 80 percent of scheduled benefits from then on. This means, for example, that if your children — currently 28 and 25, respectively — were to retire at age 67 and do as well as you have in their working careers, they would receive $38,145 and $39,410 (in 2011 dollars) each, every year, for the rest of their lives. It is clearly inaccurate to say that this program will not exist for young people.

    With Social Security sure to be a topic of debate over the course of your campaign, I hope you and your staff will have the opportunity to further review the design and finances of the program. If you would like any additional background on the program, I would be happy to assist you.

    http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/...epr+%28CEPR%29

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    Dean Baker has clearly forgotten that Rick Perry, like just about all republicans, is not interested in facts or reality. Both are entirely too inconvenient.

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    5 Absurd Rick Perry Claims That Show His Tea-Party Infused Aversion to Reality

    Texas Governor Rick Perry has ridden into the GOP presidential race on his high horse, threatening to ‘get ugly’ with Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve Chairman, stopping just short of accusing him of treason, and catering, as expected, to the most radical of the radical right wing.

    Mr. Perry, for some bizarre reason, has captured the twisted imaginations of those who combine a brand of Christianity that Jesus Christ wouldn’t recognize, with a heavy worship of capitalism, and an irrational fear of anyone not white, Anglo-Saxon Protestant thrown in for good measure.

    As he goes about spreading hate and intolerance, both of which play so well to the Tea Party, Mr. Perry often chooses to relinquish facts; again, a trait welcome to the far right wing. This is displayed in a variety of ways that can be seen by looking at some of the governor’s ‘accomplishments’ and statements, as taken from the ‘Perry for President’ website:

    “Rick Perry will finally force Washington to fulfill its cons utional duty to secure our international borders.”

    One of the Tea Party’s pet peeves is illegal immigration, that das ly practice of allowing immigrants to slip through the extensive U.S. borders, especially that with Mexico, thus enabling them to wreak untold amounts of havoc as they bus tables, work on construction crews, and cut grass.

    In Januray of 2011, a U.S. missionary couple, Sam and Nancy Davis, working in Mexico, were pursued by bandits, possibly seeking to steal their truck, valued at $50,000. As Mr. Davis tried to flee, the bandits began shooting, hitting and killing Mrs. Davis. In response, Mr. Perry’s spokeswoman, Katherine Cesinger, said Mrs. Davis’ murder underscores the need for greater border security. “’How many Americans are going to have to die for the federal government to pay attention and realize they need to secure the border,’ she said.”

    The fact that this tragic shooting occurred at least 70 miles south of the Mexican/US border does not seem to concern Mr. Perry. He did not comment on crime in Mexico; the danger of driving flashy vehicles through areas known for criminal activity; the folly and accompanying risks of attempting to outrun murderous car thieves, etc. No, he seemed to see a crime that occurred in Mexico as demonstrating the need to ‘secure the border.’ Perhaps he is blaming the Davises for crossing into Mexico; after all, one must assume that if the border is ‘secure,’ no one could pass from either side to the other.

    “No other candidate for President – Republican or Democrat – can match Rick Perry’s record on job creation.”

    The website goes on to say that 40% of new jobs created in the U.S. since June of 2009 have been in Texas. This may be true, but one must not consider rushing off to Texas to achieve the great American dream(whatever that is). Most of those jobs pay minimum wage, and few carry health benefits. Also, industry has been attracted to Texas due to its limited environmental and safety regulations, bringing these businesses from other U.S. states. So if a voter wants to see reduced environmental and safety regulations made the law of the land, and seeks the creation of millions of jobs that pay minimum wage, Mr. Perry is the right candidate. So what if people will not be able to own homes, send their children to college, or get medical care? At least they will be working!

    “Rick Perry believes the best way for the federal government to improve healthcare is to stimulate job creation so more Americans are covered by employer-sponsored health plans.”

    One wonders how job creation is related to employer-sponsored health plans. A generation ago, health care was one of the standard benefits offered to employees; this has not been the case for years. Anyone who has been employed by a large corporation in the last 25 years is familiar with co-pays, deductibles, exclusion clauses, endless paperwork, etc. Employers are under no obligation to provide health care to their employees.

    Also, with all the jobs Mr. Perry claims to have created in Texas, he might notice that most of them do not include health care. Why, one might reasonably ask, should he be trusted to provide this miracle to the entire United States, when he has failed to do so in Texas?

    “If elected, Perry will repeal Obamacare.”

    And, one presumes, cross his fingers and hope that employers decide to provide medical coverage to all employees. One wonders what color the sky is on Mr. Perry’s planet.

    “Rick Perry believes in American exceptionalism.”

    Although interpreted in different ways, American exceptionalism is a throwback to ‘Manifest Destiny,’ that belief that the United States was divinely ordained to run roughshod over the rest of the world, making up rules as it went along that only other nations need follow; violate them at their peril.

    Mr. Perry “rejects the notion our president should apologize for our country but instead believes allies and adversaries alike must know that America seeks peace from a position of strength. We must strengthen our diplomatic relationships, and stand firm with our allies against our common enemies.”

    So when the U.S. embarks on a military misadventure that its major allies shun, then causes a civil war which kills hundreds of thousands of people, destroys a country’s infrastructure and creates strife between sects that had managed to live in relative peace together for generations, there is no need for an apology? When said military action displaces millions of people, causes the U.S. president who spawned it to be seen as the second most dangerous person in the world, and results in the U.S. being hated around the globe, no kind of apology would be necessary? Oh, that’s right: American Exceptionalism. The U.S. is allowed to do whatever it pleases, and is exempt from considering how its actions might negatively impact anyone, including its own citizens.

    To say that ‘America seeks peace’ would be laughable, were it not so astoundingly tragic. When a country arbitrarily overthrows democratically-elected governments, supports covert actions against others, and invades a nation whose only crime is the possession of large amounts of oil, it is hard to see it as seeking peace.

    And so it goes. Mr. Perry is seen as a viable alternative to the current GOP frontrunner, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, the cardboard cutout of himself who has the effrontery to be a Mormon, if one can imagine such a horror. Mr. Romney, additionally, must overcome the crime of having provided healthcare to the people of Massachusetts, and having actually supported the rights of same-sex couples. No, says the Tea Party, which now controls the once-proud Republican Party; Mr. Romney may be next in line for the nomination-coronation, but he is obviously ineligible. It is Mr. Perry, the darling of the evangelical right, who will wear the bright cape, with the big ‘TP’ emblazoned on his chest (that’s for Tea Party, not toilet paper, in case you were wondering), who will save the day.

    But it is not yet over; the fat lady has not yet sung. Former Alaska Governor and 2008 Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin seems ready to throw her battered hat into the ring, and we mustn’t forget Minnesota Representative Michele Bachman, known mainly for her valiant campaign to restore light-bulb freedom of choice. Ah yes, the brightest lights (speaking of bulbs) may still be on the horizon.

    President Obama is seen as vulnerable, due mainly to the sputtering U.S. economy. But the GOP may want to take a lesson from their own party in 1964, and the Democrats in 1972 (probably not, but let’s make the suggestion anyway). In 1964, the Republicans nominated the far-right Arizona Senator, Barry Goldwater, wildly popular with the right, but not even tolerated by anyone else. He was decisively defeated by an abominable president, Lyndon Johnson. In 1972, the Democrats, always happy to make their own mistakes rather than learn from the mistakes of others, nominated South Dakota Senator George McGovern, revered by the left wing, but by no one else. He was soundly defeated by another awful president, Richard Nixon.

    One might say what they will about the disappointing (at best) administration of Mr. Obama. But when opposed by either of the two Republican clowns mentioned here, or any of the others currently awaiting their turn in the three-ring circus called the Republican Party, he begins to regain some of the luster of his first campaign.

    And so it goes. Another U.S. election campaign farce is underway. At least the late-night talk show hosts will have plenty of material to work with for the next 14 months.

    http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/152224

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    A Venn Diagram for Rick Perry: Social Security Is Not a Ponzi Scheme



    anyone who says that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme either misunderstands Social Security, misunderstands Ponzi schemes, is deliberately lying, or some combination of those...After all, a Ponzi scheme is a deliberate fraud. Saying that Social Security is financed like a Ponzi scheme is factually wrong, but saying that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme or is like a Ponzi scheme is basically a false accusation of fraud against the US government and the politicians who have supported Social Security over the years.

    http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/08/...e-venn-diagram

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    The Sketchy Fundraising Apparatus of Rick Perry's Go-To Bundler

    What is George Seay III, Perry's Texas finance chair, hiding in his tangled web of politically oriented nonprofits?

    Operating closely linked nonprofit and political groups isn't necessarily against the law. "National organizations that consist of a social welfare organization, an affiliated charity, and a PAC have the best of all worlds—they can engage in unlimited lobbying, financially support candidates for public office, receive foundations' grants, and offer donors the ability to make tax-deductible gifts," wrote Jeff Krehely, then-deputy director of the NCRP, in a 2005 article in Responsive Philanthropy. "Although it's not difficult to set up these hybrid organizations, a degree of legal and accounting expertise is necessary."

    Still, Krehely also told me that Seay's intermingling of groups seems legally dubious: "It sounds pretty bad, if not illegal.”


    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011...ce-george-seay

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    The Rick Perry Book Club

    The Five Thousand Year Leap: 28 Great Ideas That Changed the World, by W. Cleon Skousen

    The collected works of Vince Flynn

    The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression, by Amity Shlaes:

    Texas histories

    Islands of the Damned: A Marine at War in the Pacific, by R.V. Burgin; With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa, by E.B. Sledge; Neptune's Inferno: The US Navy at Guadalcanal, by James D. Hornfischer; The Gates of the Alamo, by Stephen Harrigan; The Only Thing Worth Dying For: How 11 Green Berets Forged a New Afghanistan, by Eric Blehm; Not Between Brothers, by David Marion Wilkinson:

    The Boy Scout Handbook

    The Bible, various authors

    The Road to Serfdom, by F.A. Hayek


    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011...erry-book-club

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    Another Perry "win" for "Ron Paul" type of anti-freedom, anti-women politics.

    Abortion statute can't be enforced

    A federal judge in Austin ruled Tuesday that key components of Texas' abortion-sonogram law are uncons utional, stopping the state from enforcing it until a court rules on a legal challenge filed on behalf of several obstetrician-gynecologists.

    U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks said the law, which was to take effect Thursday, violates the free speech rights of doctors and patients. He ordered that the state can't impose penalties against doctors who don't fulfill its requirements.

    Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...#ixzz1WbRBPeOL

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    Another Perry "win" for "Ron Paul" type of anti-freedom, anti-women politics.

    Abortion statute can't be enforced

    A federal judge in Austin ruled Tuesday that key components of Texas' abortion-sonogram law are uncons utional, stopping the state from enforcing it until a court rules on a legal challenge filed on behalf of several obstetrician-gynecologists.

    U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks said the law, which was to take effect Thursday, violates the free speech rights of doctors and patients. He ordered that the state can't impose penalties against doctors who don't fulfill its requirements.

    Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...#ixzz1WbRBPeOL
    Good

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    oh, the man disagrees with abortion! the atrocity!

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    Back when Rick Perry was against destroying public do ents...

    [Agriculture Commissioner Rick Perry] also took a swipe at [Governor Ann] Richards, whose staff shredded some phone records last year after misreading state rules on archiving public do ents.

    "My staff knows the difference between a file cabinet and a paper shredder,'' Perry said.

    Yet seventeen years later, they apparently they haven't heard of a backup hard drive, because Rick Perry's office automatically deletes all staffer emails after seven days.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/0...28Daily+Kos%29

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    Beware Of Rick Perry, The French Cuff Cowboy

    He's made it clear in speeches and his recently released macho-man web advert that he'll do for America what he did for Texas - which probably involves shooting cheetahs recreationally with hollow-tipped bullets and creating benefit-rich employment opportunities for Americans, such as scraping toilets and salting freedom fries.

    That's right, the much-vaunted "Texas Miracle" is as fake as Perry, built on the premise that working three minimum wage jobs and going without healthcare (Texas leads the nation in percentage of overall residents and children without healthcare) is some kind of economic Eden, as opposed to say an economic Elba Island.

    Perry, meanwhile, is a "cowboy" who wears Armani suits and French cuffs (seriously, French cuffs?). Attacks stimulus spending while taking a heaped helping of it to bail himself out. Uses taxpayer money to enrich his corporate-lobbyist friends - and endangers the United States of America by inviting a Chinese telecom company into Texas that George W Bush's national security team warned him would pose a cyber-security threat to our military - after talking tough on the Chinese in his children's book:Fed Up.

    In other words, he's a fraud.

    http://www.alternet.org/module/print...ndviews/660061

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    And what ever happened to dubya's press-release love of going out in the TX country and chopping up the brush?

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    I thought we were not suppose to post whole articles here
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    obama has done nothing to help him get him another term
    he keeps making mistakes

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    looks like buttons is afraid perry has a chance to become president!

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    I thought we were not suppose to post whole articles here
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    No, it's whole sentences.

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    yes it is Great to kill a baby
    if the mother does not want it put it up to adobt!
    it is a life
    but lets not put anyone to death for killing anyone
    and lets make the process take 20 years...... if we do put htem to death

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    looks like buttons is afraid perry has a chance to become president!
    Everyone should be afraid of Goodhair getting elected.

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    Perry sought to sideline nuclear waste site critic

    Texas governor Rick Perry tried to sideline a state commissioner who opposed expanding the scope of a nuclear-waste landfill owned by one of the governor's biggest political donors, Reuters has learned.

    Bobby Gregory, owner of a wildlife ranch and landfill company south of Austin, had opposed a plan to let 36 states send nuclear waste to a 1,338-acre site in Andrews County.

    On the other side of the issue was billionaire Harold Simmons and his company Waste Control Specialists LLC, which stood to gain millions of dollars from accepting out-of-state shipments. Simmons had donated over $1 million to Perry's gubernatorial campaigns.

    A report in the Los Angeles Times in August examined the case of the Texas waste site and Perry's ties to Simmons, a conservative who funded the Swift Boat campaign that helped torpedo John Kerry's presidential bid.

    Perry maintains his appointments are based on merit, and Simmons is inclined to help any conservative Republican, spokespeople for the two said.

    In any case, the January vote by the eight-member Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact Commission was key to the future profitability of the nuclear landfill.

    Reuters has learned that late last year, after it became clear that the commission might block Waste Control's request to truck in waste from around the country, Perry's appointments chief, Teresa Spears, offered commissioner Gregory an alternative job -- a prestigious appointment as a regent of a state university.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/0...e+Raw+Story%29

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    Everyone should be afraid of Goodhair getting elected.

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    yes it is Great to kill a baby
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