Oops

[CuckingFunt]

Will we know once the papers are finally translated?

I hadn't really thought it through that thoroughly. I was mostly going on the logic that it's a lot of sand. There could be all kinds of under there.

[ChumpDumper]

Suit yourself chump. Keep believing there is no threat from radical islamics when they now have shoulder held surface to air missiles.

They always had them.

[CosmicCowboy]

They always had them.

link?

I'm not talking middle eastern governments. I'm talking about Islamic terrorists.

[ChumpDumper]

link?

I'm not talking middle eastern governments. I'm talking about Islamic terrorists.

How the do you think they ran the Soviets out of Afghanistan? We gave them stingers and that countered the soviets air superiority/mobility.

Are you just acting stupid or are you for reals?

[Nbadan]

[ElNono]

But, you never answered the question of whether or not unreasonable people can hold reasonable positions.

Where was that question?

[Wild Cobra]

I'm all for it.

**I take that back; I'm more in favor of him suffering a humiliating defeat at the polls next year. It's too late for impeachment.

Besides...

President Joe Biden?

I don't think I can stomach that.

[Wild Cobra]

Oops

- Misled Congress about Threat from Iraq - violated le 18 USC 371 and 1001
- Shaped Intelligence to Justify War with Iraq
- Lied about Uranium from Niger
- Lied about Aluminum Tubes
- Lied about Congress having Same Information as Bush
- Bush did not meet the requirements of HJR114 and therefore invaded Iraq without authority.
- Illegal Electronic Surveillance - violated FISA laws and 4th amendment
- Torture of Prisoners - violated Federal Anti-Torture Laws and Geneva Convention
- Violated International Law
- Refused to comply with Congressional Subpoenas

Those lies are a bad example of attempting to expose mistakes as lies. Only those who are too biased to see the truth agree with you.

[Wild Cobra]

Solyndra is a victim, like so many corps, and esp Human-Americans pitted against Chinese/Indian workers make $20/day, of China's -30% under-pegged currency.

China's rigging the trade game, using US $Ts to subsidize Chinese companies with $10Bs/year to undercut/kill more US productions and jobs, then suck in more US $Ts, in virtuous circle for China and UCA, and vicious circle for Human-Americans.

Solyndra is no big deal, the money was mostly spent in USA, not overseas, not sucked in to Wall St.

How can you call them the victim when they used a flawed business model?

I'll bet those CEO's skimmed millions off the top of an endeavor that has no chance of success.

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you just acting stupid or are you for reals?

No you are the one that is either bum ing stupid or didn't follow current events then. Possibly both.

CIA swept and cleaned for 15 freaking years in Afghanistan/Pakistan accounting for all of them after the soviets left and was paying a $100,000 cash bounty per each for recovery which was like a million+ in buying power there. Maybe more that we didn't read about. Those stingers also had a shelf life on internal electronics. Any left are no longer viable to be used against us.

[JoeChalupa]

It ain't like Obama would be the first politician in history to suffer a defeat. Someone ALWAYS loses you know. yes, this is bad.

[Yonivore]

Where was that question?

, I'm not going to go back and look. Let's pretend I'm asking it for the first time.

[Yonivore]

It ain't like Obama would be the first politician in history to suffer a defeat. Someone ALWAYS loses you know. yes, this is bad.

No, but he'd be the most deserving in quite a long time. And, I love the at ude, Joe...reminds me of Jimmy Carter malaise.

[ElNono]

, I'm not going to go back and look. Let's pretend I'm asking it for the first time.

I think unreasonable people lack credibility. So when an unreasonable person talks about alleged reasonable persons holding their views, I have to conclude they're talking about unreasonable people like them.

For example, you lack the credibility to take you at your own word when you defend a claim by saying some reasonable persons share the same view as yours.

[Wild Cobra]

Those stingers also had a shelf life on internal electronics. Any left are no longer viable to be used against us.

Mr. Wayne... To be fair...

Just because the electronics may have some expiration in the ROM's doesn't mean someone cannot hack into them and change them, or even replace the electronics.

[CosmicCowboy]

Mr. Wayne... To be fair...

Just because the electronics may have some expiration in the ROM's doesn't mean someone cannot hack into them and change them, or even replace the electronics.

Yeah, y'all are right. Just because islamic militants just got a load of fresh off the shelf state of the art shoulder fired surface to air missiles there is absolutely nothing to be concerned about. That "democratic revolution" in Libya was just a resounding ing success.

[ElNono]

It was for the rebels...

[ChumpDumper]

No you are the one that is either bum ing stupid or didn't follow current events then. Possibly both.

CIA swept and cleaned for 15 freaking years in Afghanistan/Pakistan accounting for all of them after the soviets left and was paying a $100,000 cash bounty per each for recovery which was like a million+ in buying power there. Maybe more that we didn't read about. Those stingers also had a shelf life on internal electronics. Any left are no longer viable to be used against us.

The US military covered up a reported surface-to-air missile strike by the Taliban that shot down a Chinook helicopter over Helmand in 2007 and killed seven soldiers, including a British military photographer, the war logs show.

The strike on the twin-rotor helicopter shows the Taliban enjoyed sophisticated anti-aircraft capabilities earlier than previously thought, casting new light on the battle for the skies over Afghanistan.

Hundreds of files detail the efforts of insurgents, who have no aircraft, to shoot down western warplanes. The war logs detail at least 10 near-misses by missiles in four years against coalition aircraft, one while refuelling at 11,000ft and another involving a suspected Stinger missile of the kind supplied by the CIA to Afghan rebels in the 1980s....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...strike-chinook

I guess that was a current event you didn't follow.

[ChumpDumper]

Also:

It was a shoulder-held SA-14 supplied by Iran that was used by Iraqi insurgents to shoot down a Lynx helicopter over Basra in May 2006.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5822094.ece

[ChumpDumper]

And this:

The relatively simple design and low cost of the missile has since led to its wide distribution among guerrilla groups. The cost of an SA-7 can be as low as $5,000.

In the last 15 years, more than 50,000 shoulder-fired missiles have been sold to Third World countries.

SA-7s were reportedly recovered from al Qaeda safe houses in Afghanistan and al Qaeda is believed to have fired missiles at U.S. aircraft in Saudi Arabia and Yemen in the past.

At least 17 terrorist organizations, and 56 countries are believed to possess shoulder-fired SA-7 missiles.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97816&page=1

I think you get the idea.

[CosmicCowboy]

3:46 AM? Well, thanks for the research Chump. Hope you eventually got some sleep. So you have established that they had a few and will use them if they have them. Great. Naturally the Taliban has been using them on military aircraft because that is the the threat they feel the most, and naturally those military aircraft all have pretty extensive evasive countermeasures which to date have limited losses. Now that hundreds more have fallen into the hands of other "islamic rebels" of questionable loyalty it will be interesting to see where they are used next. I suspect they will soon figure out that civilian airliners don't carry the evasive countermeasures and are sitting ducks.

[ChumpDumper]

3:46 AM? Well, thanks for the research Chump. Hope you eventually got some sleep. So you have established that they had a few and will use them if they have them. Great. Naturally the Taliban has been using them on military aircraft because that is the the threat they feel the most, and naturally those military aircraft all have pretty extensive evasive countermeasures which to date have limited losses. Now that hundreds more have fallen into the hands of other "islamic rebels" of questionable loyalty it will be interesting to see where they are used next. I suspect they will soon figure out that civilian airliners don't carry the evasive countermeasures and are sitting ducks.

They have known that for as long as they have had surface to air missiles.

I work nights.

lol a few

[boutons_deux]

Asking Why Employees of Solar Firm Lost Jobs

Inside the solar industry, many are not convinced that Solyndra faltered because of overseas compe ion. The company used a novel technology that did not require silicon and took a big compe ive hit when the price of silicon tumbled.A number of Bay Area-based solar manufacturing companies, including San Jose's NanoSolar and Solaria in Fremont, are actively recruiting former Solyndra employees to work in their factories. Daniel Shugar, the chief executive of Solaria, said the importance of low-cost Chinese labor in making United States-built panels less compe ive had been greatly exaggerated."Labor cost is not a huge part of the cost of making solar panels, because these things are automated to a large degree," Mr. Shugar said in an interview. Solaria has opened a factory in Fremont for United States orders and another in India for Asian deliveries.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=842708&f=19

What is certain is that the Repugs and Yoni will distract from national jobs crisis, the foreclosure theft crisis, and all other critical issues by flogging this side issue, or other issue, until Barry is impeached.

[Wild Cobra]

I'll bet the cost of silicon was part of the problem, However, there were other troubling things. They reported profits, and projected higher profits. This is troubling and now as an apparent lie, and they have the FBI investigating.

Science keeps making breakthroughs. Just when you think a wall it hit, that wall falls. Wafer sized over time went from 1", 1-1/2", 2", 75mm, 100mm, 125mm, 150mm, 200mm, 300mm, then to 450mm which I think is finalized in spec. Most likely in prototype product like the 300 mm I got to use on prototype equipment in 1996. It took about 5 years before being used in production runs.

[boutons_deux]

Home Weatherization Grows 1,000% Under Stimulus, Creating Jobs, Saving Low-Income Families $400 a Year

With all the focus on Solyndra and the attacks on green jobs from the Right-wing noise machine, the mainstream media have completely overlooked the explosive success of the weatherization assistance program (WAP) funded almost exclusively by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

With a serious investment under the Recovery Act, WAP increased the numbers of homes weatherized by 1000 percent over any previous year since 1976. This means we are close to weatherizing as many homes in one month (25,000) as we previously did in one year. By the end of ARRA’s three-year lifespan next March, the WAP will almost double the number of homes upgraded in the first year of the program — bringing the total number of energy efficiency projects to 720,000.

The press has focused on negative, headline-grabbing stories about green jobs in recent weeks. But we should not lose sight of the fact that DOE programs like WAP are making a major impact. We already know energy efficiency retrofits create three times the jobs compared with oil and gas, and that WAP has boasted over 14,800 jobs in just the three-month ramp-up period from April to June 2011. Furthermore, an earlier CAP analysis shows if we retrofitted just 40% of our nation’s building stock, we could create 650,000 permanent jobs over a sustained ten year period. The remarkable success of the WAP proves that weatherization can be a source of sustained job creation, and further solidifies the argument for why investments in clean energy are the right kinds of expenditures for these tough economic times.

91% of the firms engaged in retrofit activities are small businesses employing less than 20 people.

This is a sound investment with a phenomenal rate of return: for every $1 invested in the WAP program there are $2.51 returned to the household and broader economy. The $5 billion invested under ARRA, as well as the $180 million invested by 2010 appropriations, shows that the government has put dollars where they are needed the most — when it matters the most. By targeting programs that emphasize job creation, savings for low-income families, energy conservation, and emissions reductions, the Weatherization Assistance Program demonstrates the importance of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/0...mulus-funding/

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We've all heard about this on Fox Repug Propaganda network, right?