Cain denies report of Sexual Harassment

[Winehole23]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67581.html

[Wild Cobra]

It's very unprofessional to call a journalist darling and ask her to fix your tea, regardless of dialect.

Not something that should be said, but remember:

“I have instructed our employees not to address the situation specifically,” Deace said Monday. “At this point I see no need in dragging them into this individually.”

If people don't like what are harmless remarks, and president Cain isn't told, then it's no fault of his if he continues.

Without being told that someone is uncomfortable, it cannot be considered sexual harassment. Only when reputed unwanted remarks are made, can it be considered sexual harassment when it has no direct sexual context.

[Winehole23]

Can we agree that the Herman Cain sexual harassment fiasco is exactly the kind of catastrophe that is bound to visit a campaign that is ridiculously disorganized, and a candidate that is clearly not savvy about running for political office? I don’t even care at this point whether the charges are accurate; even if we assume that they are not, Cain’s habit of shifting his story in addressing the accusations, his campaign’s treatment of reporters asking questions about the charges, and now, the wild claims that other campaigns are behind the attacks, offered with little supporting evidence, show the Cain campaign in a very bad light, and show that the candidate himself is confused, desperate, and entirely on the defensive....

...Getting back for a moment to the misstatements of the candidate himself, Cain has never proven himself to be a disciplined speaker during his run for the Presidency. His tendency to make ridiculous statements, and then to claim that he was just joking, and his fondness for misstating facts when it comes to addressing policy are all of a piece with his varying explanations and responses to the charges against him. He has shown little to no ability to drive a message, and to show voters that he possesses a command of the issues. If this is a worthy candidate for the Presidency, then I am Marie of Roumania.

http://www.chequerboard.org/2011/11/no-he-caint/

[Winehole23]

It hardly matters whether the allegations are true, at this point the way Cain has responded to them reveals serious flaws.

Forgetfulness, flippancy with facts, changing his tale (four times on Monday alone,) hurling accusations against Perry and Romney without a shred of evidence, and an abysmal lack of message discipline. Cain had ten days to prepare a response to the Politico piece and has flubbed it miserably. Against the likes of David Axelrod he'd be cut to ribbons.

[Wild Cobra]

Well WH, if style matters more to you and others than the heart of a man, then we will never have a president we can be proud of.

[Winehole23]

Even more damaging, I think, is when people tie it all together. Herman Cain’s consultant from 2004 uncovered it in 2004 and Cain launched a Presidential bid in 2011 without coming up with a damage control plan on a major issue that could destroy his campaign?

[Winehole23]

Well WH, if style matters more to you and others than the heart of a man, then we will never have a president we can be proud of.

Has nothing to do with style and everything to do with demeanor, discipline and professionalism. Herman Cain comes up woefully short.

[Cry Havoc]

Forgetfulness, flippancy with facts, changing his tale (four times on Monday alone,) hurling accusations against Perry and Romney without a shred of evidence, and an abysmal lack of message discipline. Cain had ten days to prepare a response to the Politico piece and has flubbed it miserably. Against the likes of David Axelrod he'd be cut to ribbons.

His answer to the question about how well he would fare in a debate with Obama is reminding me more and more of Mayweather saying "Easy fight" in response to who would win if he and Pacquiao boxed. Of course, afterward Mayweather continued to run and hide.

"It would almost be no contest." Yes, Cain, you'd get obliterated by Obama.

[Wild Cobra]

Has nothing to do with style and everything to do with demeanor, discipline and professionalism. Herman Cain comes up woefully short.

I see...

You want perfection.

[ChumpDumper]

Well WH, if style matters more to you and others than the heart of a man, then we will never have a president we can be proud of.

In his heart, Cain appears to be either very stupid or just a terrible liar.

I can see how you'd be proud of him.

[Winehole23]

I see...

You want perfection.

Expecting presidential candidates to be disciplined and professional isn't too much.

[Cry Havoc]

I see...

You want perfection.

Or just a guy who won't outright lie about something that's obviously staring him in the face. This is a cartoonish display of willful ignorance from his staff. The Cubs couldn't mishandle a divisional lead worse than Cain is doing right now.

[Wild Cobra]

Or just a guy who won't outright lie about something that's obviously staring him in the face. This is a cartoonish display of willful ignorance from his staff. The Cubs couldn't mishandle a divisional lead worse than Cain is doing right now.

I see.

You were that fly on the wall that knows who is lying and who isn't. Who may have forgotten a detail and who didn't. What exactly was said in what context.

OK... I understand now. You are simply intolerant because you know everything.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It was two women that did not know each other who made reports of harassment. Apparently he more or less asked them if they wanted to . There was no force being used and there is no evidence that he persisted after the interest was not reciprocated.

The dude hits on women at work. I really could give a damn myself.

[Winehole23]

Did y'all hear China might become a nuclear power?

[Wild Cobra]

Apparently he more or less asked them if they wanted to .

LOL... that's the first I heard.

Now that is inappropriate if he was in a position of power over them, which as president, he was. However, I cannot believe that without some pretty solid evidence. It's one thing to be a little flirtatious, but that is out there. Besides, i head something else, which I haven't mentioned because I have no collaborating evidence. Just hearsay.

[Wild Cobra]

Did y'all hear China might become a nuclear power?

You are kidding, right?

Did you forget the blue?

Are you purposely contaminating this thread?

[Winehole23]

Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan

[Winehole23]

You are kidding, right?

Did you forget the blue?

You're unfamiliar with the gaffe?

[Winehole23]

CAIN: Right of return? Right of return?


WALLACE: The Palestinian right of return.


CAIN: That's something that should be negotiated...


CAIN:... but under – but not under – Palestinian conditions. Yes. They should have a right to come back if that is a decision that Israel wants to make…. I don't think they have a big problem with people returning.

[Wild Cobra]

You know, that clip I heard where he basically told the reporters to off...

They will hound him and make up stories, until he tells them what they want to hear. Not the truth, but what makes a good story.

I like the fact he won't kowtow to the reporters, that he won't let them take his focus off what he is doing. Have to respect that, even if you don't like his lack of tact.

Have you noticed how the reporters didn't want to discuss anything else? I'm that way too. If I am approached with only one agenda when I am doing something else, I IGNORE people.

Time to see how comical the revenge of the reporters will be.

[ChumpDumper]

You are kidding, right?

Did you forget the blue?

Are you purposely contaminating this thread?

I find it funny that you would call Cain's own words a contamination of a thread about Cain.

[Wild Cobra]

Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan

You're unfamiliar with the gaffe?

Sorry, no. I don't watch the news. What are you talking about?

[ChumpDumper]

You know, that clip I heard where he basically told the reporters to off...

They will hound him and make up stories, until he tells them what they want to hear. Not the truth, but what makes a good story.

I like the fact he won't kowtow to the reporters, that he won't let them take his focus off what he is doing. Have to respect that, even if you don't like his lack of tact.

Have you noticed how the reporters didn't want to discuss anything else? I'm that way too. If I am approached with only one agenda when I am doing something else, I IGNORE people.

Time to see how comical the revenge of the reporters will be.

True, the reporter should have asked him more questions about China's pursuit of nuclear capabilities.

[ChumpDumper]

lol capital IGNORE