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  1. #151
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    now you are assuming that minimum wage workers lack education and good work ethics.

    you're an ignorant dumb , tbh.
    Yes Blake, minimum wage workers typically lack marketable skills and a good work ethic. BTW education has nothing to do with marketable skills as you apparently have found out considering how bitter you are about it.

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    Did I say something funny?
    Yes, I was answering WH's question. An increase of students in poverty of 10% in 10 years is a good indication that ins utional poverty is growing in Texas.

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    Yes, I was answering WH's question. An increase of students in poverty of 10% in 10 years is a good indication that ins utional poverty is growing in Texas.
    That's debatable. I don't think that chart is as authoritative as you'd think.

    But I also don't give a about this issue ...

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    TANF+SSP-MOE, 1994, total recipients: 14,225,661; Texas: 787,504
    TANF+SSP-MOE, 2010, total recipients: 4,594,409; Texas: 116,740

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    Exponential growth, but the exponent is less than one.
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    The underclass is undeniably growing at the moment, but your picture of out of control, no questions asked, cradle to grave en lement, bears only the faintest relation to reality. In 1994 you'd have had a better point.
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    SSI recipients, Texas, 2000 : 409,502

    SSI recipients, Texas, 2010: 616,968

    (During this time Texas's population increased by 20.7%, and we had an epochal financial panic.)

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    Yes Blake, minimum wage workers typically lack marketable skills and a good work ethic.
    I'm guessing you are not going to back up this assertation either.

    BTW education has nothing to do with marketable skills as you apparently have found out considering how bitter you are about it.
    You are the one that mentioned skipping school, not me.

    I have no reason to be bitter about anything anyone says on a messageboard. I'm calling you an ignorant dumb because that is what you have proven yourself to be. Was just letting you know.

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    I'm guessing you are not going to back up this assertation either.



    You are the one that mentioned skipping school, not me.

    I have no reason to be bitter about anything anyone says on a messageboard. I'm calling you an ignorant dumb because that is what you have proven yourself to be. Was just letting you know.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...551325482.html

    He has characterized the poor and will brook no other view apparently. Its the wrong view but whatever.

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    SSI recipients, Texas, 2000 : 409,502

    SSI recipients, Texas, 2010: 616,968

    (During this time Texas's population increased by 20.7%, and we had an epochal financial panic.)
    then there's this:

    Free and Reduced Price Lunch as an Indicator of Poverty

    Researchers often use free or reduced price lunch (FRPL) enrollment figures as a proxy for poverty at the school level, because Census poverty data (which is used at the state and district level) is not available disaggregated below the school district level and is not collected annually. Accordingly, annual FRPL data is regularly used within school districts to determine a school’s eligibility for le I funds. It is also used as a proxy for low-income status when determining whether a subgroup of needy students is making Adequate Yearly Progress (AYP) under No Child Left Behind.

    While FRPL data is generally a reliable poverty indicator in the elementary grades, it is less so in the high school grades. Because free and reduced price lunch is an opt-in program at the majority of schools, researchers believe that high school students are greatly under-represented in school lunch program enrollment. High school students may refuse to enroll in FRPL due to a perceived stigma attached to the program. In part because FRPL participation is an unreliable proxy for poverty at the high school level, high schools receive disproportionately lower levels of No Child Left Behind funding.

    http://febp.newamerica.net/backgroun...ition-programs
    google is not CC's true friend

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    Didn't bother reading the thread but the second video is a parody.

    Edit: I alway find it funny when someone supports their child going through school, yet if that parent wasn't there that child would have to apply for food stamps...

    Not everyone is so lucky as to have their parents support them.

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    I personally think that when unearned en lement payments are > or = to minimum wage that it is a disincentive to take an entry level position.
    Okay, there's the premise. Now, the question is, is it solely the fault of welfare being high or there's also a problem with the minimum wage not keeping up with basic standards of living?

    IIRC, the 'highest' minimum wage (before taxes, but at that level it doesn't matter) is ~$16k on Washington state. Can you actually make ends meet in Washington state with that money? I seriously doubt it.

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    I personally think that when unearned en lement payments are > or = to minimum wage that it is a disincentive to take an entry level position.
    agreed

    The fact that they have no marketable skills (justifying the employer only offering minimum wage) does not mean that they COULD NOT LEARN MARKETABLE SKILLS IF they took a minimum wage position and worked their way up.
    agreed as well

    BUT, the part of the point you are not addressing is....

    what is the point of having a minimum wage if that wage is, by the governments own standard, not enough to get by?

    Also, it might not be a matter of raising the min. wage, but that the jobs available for that wage may all be part time and thus not enough to get by.

    Its not so simple as to just say "lower welfare" and solve the problem, at least not without a lot of information to back that up.

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    for example, nearly all of my employees make more than the average local salary (chile), yet all of them that have children have 2nd jobs or home businesses to supplement their income; even though they make well over minimum its still not enough to put their kids through school/university...

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    Hahahahah these are great. The second is a woman literally IRL trolling all US taxpayers.

    Taking more from society than you give back to it is a huge concern. A society is only able to support so many parasites. We would be just fine if all we have to bail out are impoverished ghetto residents buying Funyuns, but it turns out VAST CORPORATIONS ARE RECEIVING CORPORATE WELFARE, TO THE TUNE OF ING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS

    Of those 280 companies, 78 corporations had at least one year during which their U.S. federal tax was zero or less, and many had more than one year paying no tax, despite recording profits; many of these companies also received tax rebates. In 2009 alone, 49 companies earned combined profits of $78.6 billion, yet paid no taxes - and collected tax rebates totaling $10.8 billion.
    but just stay mad at all those black people mmk?

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    50% of workers in USA make no more than $29K/year.

    $14.5/hour for 2000 hours.

    And of course they very probably have no employer health insurance, can't afford even (non-tax-deductible) catastrophe insurance at $3000+/year, no paid sick time, and are looking at a useless safety net if they lose their job (like if they get sick, they get fired).

    But, but, but America is the most wealthy, kick-ass county on the planet, perhaps ever!

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    Okay, there's the premise. Now, the question is, is it solely the fault of welfare being high or there's also a problem with the minimum wage not keeping up with basic standards of living?

    IIRC, the 'highest' minimum wage (before taxes, but at that level it doesn't matter) is ~$16k on Washington state. Can you actually make ends meet in Washington state with that money? I seriously doubt it.
    We have a 10 dollar an hour minimum wage in Santa Fe so that would be about 21k

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    Lotsa info on exponentially expanding welfare caseloads and expenditures here:

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/indicators08/apa.shtml#ftanf2

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    We have a 10 dollar an hour minimum wage in Santa Fe so that would be about 21k
    Thanks. I got the other figures from the article linked above:

    With an annual minimum wage of $13,920 before taxes (Georgia and Wyoming) to $16,646.40 (Washington state), the key to surviving is dropping your fixed costs

    link

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    The median length of time on assistance was 2 years since the most recent opening of the case. One in three families had been on the rolls for one year or less, and one in four had been on the rolls for five years or more. Since FY 1994 there has been a small but steady decline in the percentage of the caseload on assistance in their current spell for one year or less (36% to 33%) and a corresponding increase in the percentage of the caseload on assistance five years or more (19% to 24%). This suggests the long term recipients are an increasing percentage of state caseloads. More than 40 percent of the families are known to have been on the rolls sometime prior to the most recent opening.
    ibid.
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