What, no threads giving props to Tony Parker?

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol the clowns on here comparing tp to drob, fkn pathetic, drob was a 1 man team who had no one to bail him out

tp had good players around him, yet couldnt deliver while guys always bailing out his poor performances...

[timvp]

But it's a flawed premise. When was the last time Manu took 27 shots in a game like that? Manu on his prime could get to the basket every time. He never shriveled from contact.

So you're problem is with the 27 shot attempts? You can't complain he didn't play better in the second half in one post and then complain he shot too much in the next post. Parker has to shoot to do well.

@ the insinuation that Prime Manu never had a bad half

@ Parker shriveling from the contact




Through everything, what I find amazing is that a Parker-led team really was able to play offense at a championship level throughout. I never would have thought that coming into this season. The offense ran through him and it was good enough to win it all.

What failed was the defense. The Thunder had a TS% of 57% for the series. FOR THE SERIES. I don't care if Magic Johnson himself traded places with Parker, it's nearly impossible to beat a team that you shoots that well. And yet the Spurs were reasonably close to doing so.



But, whatever, Parker could have gone for 101 and 31 but if the Spurs lost, ElNono and his ilk would find ways to pin the loss on Parker. It'd be something like: "Well, yeah he broke the all-time scoring and assist records in the same game but if he wouldn't have hogged the spotlight so much and given it to Manu more the Spurs would have won. Don't blame Manu for having a plus/minus twice as worse as anyone on the team, Parker isn't a leader and he failed!"

[MannyIsGod]

No one compared TP to Drob you illiterate . I thought they spoke English down in Australia?

[MannyIsGod]

So you're problem is with the 27 shot attempts? You can't complain he didn't play better in the second half in one post and then complain he shot too much in the next post. Parker has to shoot to do well.

@ the insinuation that Prime Manu never had a bad half

@ Parker shriveling from the contact




Through everything, what I find amazing is that a Parker-led team really was able to play offense at a championship level throughout. I never would have thought that coming into this season. The offense ran through him and it was good enough to win it all.

What failed was the defense. The Thunder had a TS% of 57% for the series. FOR THE SERIES. I don't care if Magic Johnson himself traded places with Parker, it's nearly impossible to beat a team that you shoots that well. And yet the Spurs were reasonably close to doing so.



But, whatever, Parker could have gone for 101 and 31 but if the Spurs lost, ElNono and his ilk would find ways to pin the loss on Parker. It'd be something like: "Well, yeah he broke the all-time scoring and assist records in the same game but if he wouldn't have hogged the spotlight so much and given it to Manu more the Spurs would have won. Don't blame Manu for having a plus/minus twice as worse as anyone on the team, Parker isn't a leader and he failed!"

[MannyIsGod]

TBH, Timvp reverting back to 2003 form.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I just don't get why certain posters are taking shots at other posters and being intellectually dishonest because it's a tough loss?

We know Parkers stats. But those are the same guys who usually go beyond in evaluation of games and performances and players. The fact is, as the teams best player and a top 5 MVP candidate, you can't have second halfs like TP when your team loses the biggest halftime lead in franchise history for a playoff game and not be criticized. We can all read the boxscore, but those who watched the game know that despite his heroic first half, it wasn't enough for the win and that doesnt mean he needed God mode in the 2nd half to win; he just couldn't lay an egg essentially.

I agree with this

But he wasn't the only one to play bad in the second half

[DPG21920]

I agree with this

But he wasn't the only one to play bad in the second half

agreed, and I even said that (so I don't know if that's directed at me). Again, the team melted down, a symptom of a series that I am not proud of. But again, this just boils down to evaluating this game and the best players always get the majority of the blame.

TP is a great player, a great Spur and had a great year.

[mavs>spurs]

DPG is REALLY upset and hurt

this is sad to watch no troll. tim i think you just broke this young lad's spirit.

[InK]

lol the clowns on here comparing tp to drob, fkn pathetic, drob was a 1 man team who had no one to bail him out

tp had good players around him, yet couldnt deliver while guys always bailing out his poor performances...

People are comparing Drob wasted years of having no decent pg around to lead the team to Duncan years. I think its pretty evident as well.

[DPG21920]

DPG is REALLY upset and hurt

this is sad to watch no troll. tim i think you just broke this young lad's spirit.

You are an idiot. " don't shut down ST, I need it! Who's causing problems, just want to let you know I appreciate you letting me be a dumbass!"

[DPG21920]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199377

so upset and hurt about Tim youre starting threads

Starting threads about being hurt is telling me.

[mavs>spurs]

^geez, calm down guy. i was just pointing out the obvious.

ps just because you call someone an idiot doesn't make your opinion true. i was right about the spurs this year, so if i'm an idiot, i'd hate to see what that makes you

[ElNono]

So you're problem is with the 27 shot attempts? You can't complain he didn't play better in the second half in one post and then complain he shot too much in the next post. Parker has to shoot to do well.

My problem was with him having a dismal second half, especially after the otherwordly 1st half.

As somebody else pointed out: And then you watch Tony Parker first quarter and you see he has gone 7 of 10 you realise that the rest of the game he was 6 for 17.

@ the insinuation that Prime Manu never had a bad half

I didn't say that at all. I said it's a flawed premise because Manu wouldn't take 27 shots in a situation like that. Why are you changing the topic?

The closest I can find from Manu is going 10-24 for 24 points against Phoenix in the 1st round on 2008, a game the Spurs won and Manu played 45 mins.

But, whatever, Parker could have gone for 101 and 31 but if the Spurs lost, ElNono and his ilk would find ways to pin the loss on Parker. It'd be something like: "Well, yeah he broke the all-time scoring and assist records in the same game but if he wouldn't have hogged the spotlight so much and given it to Manu more the Spurs would have won. Don't blame Manu for having a plus/minus twice as worse as anyone on the team, Parker isn't a leader and he failed!"

Not at all. If he would've played half as well as he did in the 1st half tonight in Game 5 we wouldn't be having this conversation, because there would be a Game 7 in SA tomorrow.

[timvp]

I really don't see how anyone can point to offense as a reason the Spurs lost this series. In the five games outside of Game 3, the Spurs scored ~109.5 points per possessions. That's right at their league leading regular season rate.

Parker struggled at times. He sucked at times. But he's mostly responsible for the offense and the offense held up its end of the bargain. The defense collapsed or the Thunder got too much on fire, however you want to look at it.

We all knew that there was a chance that the individual talent on OKC would prove too good. Especially if they're shooting well. That's what happened. The Spurs lost.

Blame 27 shot attempts or second half chokes or whatever you want but this series was lost on the other end of the court. Even the great Prime Manu couldn't have changed that. Tbh, with as hot as the Thunder were from the perimeter, I don't think even Prime Duncan would have made a huge difference.

[Kori Ellis]

...I didn't say that at all. I said it's a flawed premise because Manu wouldn't take 27 shots in a situation like that. Why are you changing the topic?

Well Pop wanted Tony to shoot 30 times tonight, so I guess you are really just disappointed in Pop.

[DPG21920]

^geez, calm down guy. i was just pointing out the obvious.

ps just because you call someone an idiot doesn't make your opinion true. i was right about the spurs this year, so if i'm an idiot, i'd hate to see what that makes you

Great logic. First of all, you weren't right about the Spurs. Not only did you not give them a chance to get to the WCF, you scoffed the idea of TP finishing top 5 in MVP voting.

Secondly, let's say you were right about something and I was wrong, being right about a singular thing doesn't mean you aren't an idiot

[ElNono]

Well Pop wanted Tony to shoot 30 times tonight, so I guess you are really just disappointed in Pop.

Well, I'm waiting for somebody to start the "What, no threads giving props to Pop?" thread

[DPG21920]

I blame bad body language, a lack of focus and execution and unforced turnovers. I blame not playing with a sense of hunger or urgency and the fact they couldn't get up for games 3-5.

[ElNono]

I really don't see how anyone can point to offense as a reason the Spurs lost this series. In the five games outside of Game 3, the Spurs scored ~109.5 points per possessions. That's right at their league leading regular season rate.

Parker struggled at times. He sucked at times. But he's mostly responsible for the offense and the offense held up its end of the bargain. The defense collapsed or the Thunder got too much on fire, however you want to look at it.

We all knew that there was a chance that the individual talent on OKC would prove too good. Especially if they're shooting well. That's what happened. The Spurs lost.

Blame 27 shot attempts or second half chokes or whatever you want but this series was lost on the other end of the court. Even the great Prime Manu couldn't have changed that. Tbh, with as hot as the Thunder were from the perimeter, I don't think even Prime Duncan would have made a huge difference.

Okay. Agreed. STOP HERE.

So where do you go from here? Especially when you have a coach who doesn't believe you can play the kind of defense that seemingly OKC could play?

(I know, I'm drifting on the topic, but the future outlook is what interests me the most)

[Kori Ellis]

Honestly, it was obvious that Parker was going to have a "subpar" second half. First of all, the Thunder coaching staff had been awesome with adjustments this series, so you had to know they were going to do something. Secondly, he looked like he was losing his legs in the middle of the second quarter. That's why people in the game blog were saying that Manu (or someone) needed to turn it up in the second half -- Parker had already worn himself out.

[ChumpDumper]

So where do you go from here? Especially when you have a coach who doesn't believe you can play the kind of defense that seemingly OKC could play?

See if OKC wants to trade their players.

[dg7md]

Statistically speaking, maybe the Spurs didn't skimp out on the offense as much as they normally did.

But, statistically speaking is not how ballgames are won. The games that they lost they were completely taken off their game.

Call it better defense from the Thunder if you like, but simply put, the Spurs could not execute offense in the stretch of the game. That cost them. We lost because we couldn't make more shots than them, and I think saying the Thunder's defense is why is only half of the story. We were completely lost out there after game 2.

Maybe it's hindsight, but the Clippers game comeback might have been the very last amazing Spurs game we saw in the playoffs. I don't things have been completely right with us since then.

[RodNIc91]

Its so sad that it ended this bad. However Im proud too. I really wanted another championship for duncan and hopefully by any means. Very low possibility I know but one can only pray. Oh and lol at timvp and elnono's exchange. Just savour what a great season this was.

[TDMVPDPOY]

elnono has a point

ginoboli wouldnt throw up 27 bad shots, cause his to busy making 6 turnovers a game

[DPG21920]

It's just hard to buy the worn out excuse for a self proclaimed "I am only 29 year old" in a critical must-win game that has had his minutes managed all year. I'm not bagging on TP at all, but that sounds like an excuse.