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    Well from purely a PG perspective, if the were only able to keep one of Lowry/Dragic, getting Lin instead (from an upside perspective) is not that big of a difference to me overall. Lowry is solid, but who knows for how long. Goran has a lot of potential, but so does Lin.

    But yeah, they had a rough off season so far.

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    Rockets are telling people theyre guaranteed future Lottery pick from Toronto in Lowry deal (ESPN first), tho it's unclear how that happens.

    rofl admitting they are tanking before the season starts

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    Well from purely a PG perspective, if the were only able to keep one of Lowry/Dragic, getting Lin instead (from an upside perspective) is not that big of a difference to me overall. Lowry is solid, but who knows for how long. Goran has a lot of potential, but so does Lin.

    But yeah, they had a rough off season so far.
    Until the Knicks match on Lin.
    Last edited by Mel_13; 07-05-2012 at 01:52 PM.

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    David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt
    Rockets are telling people theyre guaranteed future Lottery pick from Toronto in Lowry deal (ESPN first), tho it's unclear how that happens.

    rofl admitting they are tanking before the season starts
    I think that is because they are doing some sort of stipulation on the pick that HOU does not get TOR's pick until that pick is a lottery pick.

    So how they have the stipulations on traded picks in the opposite direction usually (if it's a lotto pick, it goes to the next year with slightly less stipulations and so on..), this one is the reverse of that seemingly.

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    Until the Knicks will match on Lin.
    Definitely a big possibility

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    Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

    Toronto will send Gary Forbes to Houston with the protected first-round pick, league source tells Y!

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    Rockets and Mavs are prime examples of why cap space can be fools gold. Nothing is ever guaranteed with cap space. Spurs experienced this in 2003. If you whiff on the top free agents (which is most likely going to happen) you have to overpay for middle tier free agents who lose their market value fast in the trading market.

    That is why I never really understand why fans get so obsessed with cap space. It can be irrelevant more often than not.

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    I like cap space because of the flexibility it allows. It allows you to trade for known players that are pretty damn good for unknown values (draft picks) or little basketball value (expiring contracts) somtimes due to fit, money....

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    I like cap space because of the flexibility it allows. It allows you to trade for known players that are pretty damn good for unknown values (draft picks) or little basketball value (expiring contracts) somtimes due to fit, money....
    If you have the time to be patient, usually associated with no pressure or expectation to win, that is the ideal way to use cap space.

    Like Presti, an extemely lucky guy, in 2007. Got Durant in the lottery and had zero pressure for the team to win for his first two full seasons (he may have had pressure from ownership to lose as much as possible that first season). He was able to ac ulate draft picks and cap space without regard to current team success.

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    I like cap space because of the flexibility it allows. It allows you to trade for known players that are pretty damn good for unknown values (draft picks) or little basketball value (expiring contracts) somtimes due to fit, money....
    Cap space does give you options, but let's get real here. Most GM's create significant cap-space for a primary reason: To go after an elite superstar(s).

    You don't need max-like cap space (which many fans are obsessed with) to have flexibility to make maneuvers like you mentioned.

    I much rather use expirings to trade for known commodities and draft picks (imo). Because if you don't, you will most likely have to use that cap space to overpay for a so-so player that will you be trying to get rid of two years down the road. (this applies to small markets and teams that aren't really a desired destination from a contending standpoint).

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    Sixers acquire Wright from Warriors for draft pick

    http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball-...edium=referral

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    lol Richard Jefferson still won't get playing time.

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    lol Richard Jefferson still won't get playing time.
    How won't he? He might start at the beginning of the season (until Barnes is ready to take over), but even if he doesn't, he'll be their sixth man.

    Weird trade by the 76ers, who already have plenty of depth at small forward (Iguodala, Young, Harkless) and need a backup point guard. I wonder if this is a prelude to the long rumored Iguodala trade.

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    I want AKC to come back to Utah and then do a sign and trade for him giving up SJ.

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    Rockets and Mavs are prime examples of why cap space can be fools gold. Nothing is ever guaranteed with cap space. Spurs experienced this in 2003. If you whiff on the top free agents (which is most likely going to happen) you have to overpay for middle tier free agents who lose their market value fast in the trading market.

    That is why I never really understand why fans get so obsessed with cap space. It can be irrelevant more often than not.
    What else were the Rockets supposed to do? They were annually a middle-of-the-road team, overachieving, good enough to just not make the playoffs. Either they took a big swing at a top free agent or two, or they had to blow up the team.

    They whiffed on the former, and so have moved to the latter. They have to go for the top draft picks now.

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    Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
    RT @DraftExpress: Ian Mahinmi (4 yrs, $16M) to Indy in sign-and-trade w/Dallas. Darren Collison and Dahntay Jones to Mavs (TRADE CALL IN AM)

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    Good deal for the Mavs.

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    Dallas collects more players with one year remaining on their contracts so Cuban can chase free agents a year from now. Ian gets a nice payday to be Hibbert's backup. Indy seems like a good landing place for him.

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    Yawn turned into Collison...wow, great deal for Mavs.

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    Wtf Indy? U Pritchard...

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    Indiana is pursuing a trade with Charlotte for restricted free agent point guard DJ Augustine, sources tell Y! Sports.

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    Steal for the Mavs. Collison has the potential to be the future at PG for them.

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    Mavs flipping Spurs "trash" into a starting point guard.

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    Steal for the Mavs. Collison has the potential to be the future at PG for them.
    It's a good trade for them, no question. But I think the ship has sailed on Collison being anything more than a fringe starter. Ideally, he's more of a high quality backup. He played out of his mind for a few months during his rookie season and fooled people into thinking he's better than that, but reality set in soon after (look for this same thing to happen to Dragic next). This is definitely a better option than signing Sessions to the long term deal he's seeking or signing Felton for a season, though.

    For the Pacers, this makes their already highly questionable drafting (and that's being generous) of Plumlee in the 1st round even more ridiculous. They wasted a 1st round pick on a guy who, barring debilitating injury to Hibbert or Mahinmi (or them eventually trading Mahinmi), has no chance at cracking their rotation for at least 4 seasons, when they could have had a lottery caliber talent like Jones. Unbelievable how stupid that was.

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