If you don't vaccinate your children, you are a horrible parent. Period

[RandomGuy]

Chump, It's also very stupid to assume that my sole decision not to vaccinate is because of an online chiropractor or an actor. But that's what you do is troll anything anyone says and twist their words which is exactly why I unleashed Chump-Gate when you wanted to be an ass.

Honestly, without all the jokes and all, I never said I was against a polio vaccine. I just said we don't vaccinate. MOST vaccines are NOT truly necessary and true independent research backs this up. If you read what I said in my vaccine thread I said in emergencies it would be ok, such as accidents, ER visits, etc.

The issue here isn't "polio". The issue is the fear mongering that BECAUSE we needed polio shots that now we suddenly need every single other money making vaccine or we will all die. It just isn't true.

The problem though is the risk/benefit ratio.

If the risk is one child dying per 100,000 from the vaccine, or 100 dying in the same population without, that would seem a reasonable cost for me.

If you are looking for cost-free treatments or prevention of diseases, you will be waiting for a long time.

In the meantime, the knee-jerk rejection of the vaccines seems far more dangerous, and stupid.

[RandomGuy]

I know the video is an hour long, but it's very interesting what Dr. Lawrence Palevsky has to say about vaccines, and he is very qualified to speak on the issue.

If you have time, trolling aside, watch the entire video since it is a very important issue, and make your own decision.

He also goes into the reality of how studies don't go into unvaccinated vs vaccinated to come up with real results, however the one that does exist shows that unvaccinated are healthier than vaccinated.

These are the same things I posted in my vaccine thread but people cared more about trolling instead of looking into it further.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...ine-propagand/

[RandomGuy]

Speaking of trial lawyers, they are also prominently featured in this movie. In fact, another particularly revealing scene takes place near the one hour mark in the movie. In this scene, several of the lawyers featured in the do entary are filmed in a restaurant discussing the VICP. The scene is preceded by complaints from various principals about how the VICP protects vaccine manufacturers from legal liability by forcing litigants to go through the Vaccine Court first, including a scene in which Fisher laments how vaccine manufacturers have “no accountability.” Then we see Kevin Conway holding court with his fellow trial lawyers, saying:

It just amazes me what the government does to protect the integrity of vaccines. It can be anything but the vaccine. They feel as though their job is to keep immunization rates up, and if you legitimize vaccine claims, then you’re saying, yeah, there are vaccine injuries, and they can never say that.

Of course, the very existence of the VICP is an admission that there are sometimes vaccine injuries, as is the existence of so-called “table injuries,” which, if a child demonstrates one of these conditions in close temporal association with vaccination, result in automatic compensation. To the lawyers, the problem is not that the government doesn’t concede that there are vaccine injuries. If that were the case, then the VICP wouldn’t exist and no one would ever receive compensation. The problem is that the government insists that complainants use a special court in which lawyers can’t go for huge contingency payoffs and, even worse to the lawyers, that there be some science behind claims of vaccine injury. These lawyers are in my opinion notorious for relying on bad science and pseudoscience to try to win their claims. None of this prevents Conway from stating baldly that he believes that it’s all a “conspiracy,” although he concedes that “it’s a conspiracy to do good” by keeping vaccination rates up.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...ine-propagand/

[SA210]

You don't vaccinate your kids, do you?

Confession: I'm your brother who chooses to not poison my child while you are brainwashed into thinking everyone has to. Now turn me in backstabber. What are you going to do about it?

backstabbing his own family

[RandomGuy]

Confession: I'm your brother who chooses to not poison my child while you are brainwashed into thinking everyone has to. Now turn me in backstabber. What are you going to do about it?

backstabbing his own family

What I can and would do, would be to simply outline the scientific basis for vaccination, and point out the rather obvious pseudoscientific bull that morons like yourself suck up as gospel, because it makes you think you are better than everybody else.

Just sayin'.

If I knew you in RL, and whether or not you had kids, I would consider doing the same, just as I would for the idiots who pray for their kids to get better and let them die horribly of easily preventable things.

http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/...ched-them-die/

You go in the same boat with the jeebo nutters.

[ChumpDumper]

What I can and would do, would be to simply outline the scientific basis for vaccination, and point out the rather obvious pseudoscientific bull that morons like yourself suck up as gospel, because it makes you think you are better than everybody else.

Just sayin'.

If I knew you in RL, and whether or not you had kids, I would consider doing the same, just as I would for the idiots who pray for their kids to get better and let them die horribly of easily preventable things.

http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/...ched-them-die/

You go in the same boat with the jeebo nutters.

And Al Qaeda. Don't forget Al Qaeda.

[RandomGuy]

Big Study: Vaccinated Kids 2-5 More Diseases Than Unvaccinated

A German study released in September 2011 of about 8000 UNVACCINATED children, newborn to 19 years, show vaccinated children have at least 2 to 5 times more diseases and disorders than unvaccinated children.

The results are presented in the bar chart below; the complete data and study results are here. The data is compared to the national German KIGGS health study of the children in the general population. Most of the respondents to the survey were from the U.S. (Click on the chart to see it better)

The data was collected from parents with vaccine-free children via an internet questionnaire by vaccineinjury.info and Andreas Bachmair, a German classical homeopathic prac ioner. The independent study is self-funded and is not sponsored by a large “credible” non-profit or government health organization with political and financial conflicts of interest; hence Bachmair relies on Google ads and donations for revenue. Each one of the 8000 cases are actual cases with medical do entation. Three other studies had similar results according to Bachmair and are reported below.

No study of health outcomes of vaccinated people versus unvaccinated has ever been conducted in the U.S. by CDC or any other agency in the 50 years or more of an accelerating schedule of vaccinations (now over 50 doses of 14 vaccines given before kindergarten, 26 doses in the first year). Most data collected by CDC is contained in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database. The VAERS is generally thought to contain only 3 to 5 percent of reportable incidents. This is simply because only some immediate reactions are reported by doctors; but many are not admitted to be reactions to the vaccine. Most importantly, the VAERS numbers are only immediate reactions, which I would place with a few hours to a few weeks. Long-term vaccine-induced diseases and disorders are not recognized by parents or doctors when these conditions develop perhaps a few months to five years or more and would never be realized to come from multiple vaccinations. In other words, many children and adults have diseases and disorders that are vaccine induced and they never suspect they are from the vaccines, as this study indicates.

The comparisons of the health of vaccine-free children with the health statistics of the general population are the same as comparing unvaccinated with vaccinated. This is simply because the general population of U.S. children are nearly 100 percent vaccinated.

The only other bias in this study may include the fact that parents of unvaccinated children are obviously concerned about the health risks of vaccines, and are more likely to make other healthier choices such as feeding their children a much better diet and using more natural remedies and using fewer pharmaceuticals.

Now half the U.S. children suffer from chronic diseases and disorders and 21% are developmentally disabled. Yet the public health system always uses the sacred mantra “vaccine-preventable diseases” when referring to their top public health achievement of mass vaccinations. I think we should be talking more in terms of preventable vaccine-induced diseases.

http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/10/14...-unvaccinated/

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Other studies were cited by Andreas Bachmair
Salzburger Study

Results: of 1004 unvaccinated children, had

Asthma, 0% (8-12% in the normal population)

A-topic derma is 1.2% (10-20% in the normal population)

Allergies 3% (25% in the normal population)

ADHD 0.79% (5-10%) in children

Longterm Study in Guinea-Bissau (1 Kristensen I, Aaby P, Jensen H.:“Routine vaccinations and child survival: follow up study in Guinea-Bissau, West Africa”, BMJ 2000; 321: 1435–41)

The children of 15,000 mothers were observed from 1990 to 1996 for 5 years.

Result: the death rate in vaccinated children against diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough is twice as high as the unvaccinated children (10.5% versus 4.7%).

New Zealand Survey (1992) (http://www.ias.org.nz)

The study involved 254 children. In which 133 children were vaccinated and 121 remained unvaccinated.

Result:
Symptom vaccinated unvaccinated

Asthma 20 (15%) vs 4 (3%)

Eczema or allergic rashes 43 (32%) vs 16 (13%)

Chronic o is 26 (20%)vs 8 (7%)

Recurrent tonsillitis 11 (8%) vs 3 (2%)

Shortness of breath and sudden infant death syndrome 9 (7%) vs 2 (2%)

Hyperactivity 10 (8%) vs 1 (1%)

Not really a scientific study that I could find.

It is played up like one, but I could find no underlying actual study.

All I see is information copied and posted endlessly, without any critical thinking.

Your bolded text there does point out that the study isn't actually a statistically valid one.

Can you tell me what effect removing the bias in the sample might have, if it were controlled for?

[RandomGuy]

And Al Qaeda. Don't forget Al Qaeda.

jeebo /hollah nutters?

[cheguevara]

another silly generalization

there are good vaccines and bad vaccines. just like there are good people and bad people

for example, the flu vaccine is the biggest vaccination scam in history of the world. And yes, even I have fallen for it at first, but not anymore.

[RandomGuy]

another silly generalization

there are good vaccines and bad vaccines. just like there are good people and bad people

for example, the flu vaccine is the biggest vaccination scam in history of the world. And yes, even I have fallen for it at first, but not anymore.

i"ll bite.

Why so?

[cheguevara]

i"ll bite.

Why so?

they market the flu vaccine in a way that "everyone needs it" which is BS. Even when they say all babies need it, that is BS. It's just a money making scheme for the pharma complex.

only sickly and/or elderly have a need for such vaccine. You are being scammed

[SA210]

i"ll bite.

Why so?

speaking of sucking up bs as gospel. RG believes we need the poison that is the flu shot. Sheep being a sheep, nothing to see here lol

[SA210]

What I can and would do, would be to simply outline the scientific basis for vaccination, and point out the rather obvious pseudoscientific bull that morons like yourself suck up as gospel, because it makes you think you are better than everybody else.

Just sayin'.

If I knew you in RL, and whether or not you had kids, I would consider doing the same, just as I would for the idiots who pray for their kids to get better and let them die horribly of easily preventable things.

http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/...ched-them-die/

You go in the same boat with the jeebo nutters.

You haven't done any real research into natural healthcare. At least nowhere near enough. My child gets sick way less than yours (basically never lol)..don't get angry about that. Your meltdown and baseless re ed takes on me are bad enough as it is.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I don't understand why the anti-vaccinate crowd is so in love with chiropractors

Chiropractors are some of the biggest scam artists in the medical (that's if you consider what they do medicine) industry

"I promise your back will feel a lot better after I give you about 32 adjustments, but you've got to buy 32! Anything less would be pointless!"

[resistanze]

I don't understand why the anti-vaccinate crowd is so in love with chiropractors

Chiropractors are some of the biggest scam artists in the medical (that's if you consider what they do medicine) industry

"I promise your back will feel a lot better after I give you about 32 adjustments, but you've got to buy 32! Anything less would be pointless!"

But they call themselves doctors! DOCTORS!

My mom works for a Worker's Compensation Organization, and she used to always tell my chiros were the biggest scammers she dealt with. They'd bill worse than a politician

[Chief Brody]

Flu shots are dumb (and almost everybody I know who gets one gets sick), but we have vaccinations to thank for the eradication of many now-3rd world diseases.

[RandomGuy]

they market the flu vaccine in a way that "everyone needs it" which is BS. Even when they say all babies need it, that is BS. It's just a money making scheme for the pharma complex.

only sickly and/or elderly have a need for such vaccine. You are being scammed

So, you don't have a scientific reason, just paranoia.

The jeebo /hollah corner is thataway.

[RandomGuy]

You haven't done any real research into natural healthcare. At least nowhere near enough. My child gets sick way less than yours (basically never lol)..don't get angry about that. Your meltdown and baseless re ed takes on me are bad enough as it is.

"do your research"

You haven't done the research. Give me a link to an actual, scientific, double blind study on the subject.

I have done the research, and didn't find any.

Your claim, your burden of proof.

What I see is a lot of correlation, but no causality. Suggestive, and worth a good look, but nothing solid.

[SA210]

"do your research"

You haven't done the research. Give me a link to an actual, scientific, double blind study on the subject.

I have done the research, and didn't find any.

Your claim, your burden of proof.

What I see is a lot of correlation, but no causality. Suggestive, and worth a good look, but nothing solid.

Do you ever think for yourself or do you copy and paste yours and other ppl's old tired bs arguments of attempting to explain how to debate a topic for your lack of any real knowledge on a topic?

Your problem is YOU don't understand there is a business in suppressing natural healthcare.. and you stupidly and sheepishly are ignorant and blind believing things have to be only the way BigPharma says it has to be. You have done no REAL research on natural healthcare, although you would like to believe you have, nor have you ever tried it yourself, which is why your kids get sick and mine doesn't, same for you and your sicknesses. I am not going to post things based on YOUR twisted brainwashed views and rules. FDA. BigPharma and the rest of the corrupt in those fields do all they can to suppress info and to either do a hit job on studies that are out, or prevent studies from taking place on natural vs unnatural. There is a reason for that. There are many things I can post...but again, I won't post anything based on YOUR ignorant rules..you already have your mind made up regardless. You use words like "jeeob " bc you don't have the intelligence to expand your mind and truly look into something you fear to know. Ask yourself why they don't want to do any REAL unbiased studies on vaccinated children vs unvaccinated children, or natural vs chemical.. and how they try to sabotage any studies that anyone has tried to do. Whats the fear? Why would they do that? I'll await your expected uninformed disagreement.

[SA210]

So, you don't have a scientific reason, just paranoia.

The jeebo /hollah corner is thataway.

what's in a flu shot??



Obama

[Shastafarian]

There are many things I can post...

I am interested in seeing/reading these as long as they're not youtube videos.

[SA210]

I am interested in seeing/reading these as long as they're not youtube videos.

While there is info out there for you to see/read...what's wrong with youtube videos that also have useful information, trolling aside.

[Shastafarian]

There's nothing wrong with youtube videos as supplemental information. Some of them are quite scientific. Most or all of the videos I have seen you post are not scientific. One "doctor" said there is no danger in taking too much vitamin D.

[boutons_deux]

There's nothing wrong with youtube videos as supplemental information. Some of them are quite scientific. Most or all of the videos I have seen you post are not scientific. One "doctor" said there is no danger in taking too much vitamin D.

Vit D3 (in olive oil capsules) needs complementing with Mg and K.

[SA210]

There's nothing wrong with youtube videos as supplemental information. Some of them are quite scientific. Most or all of the videos I have seen you post are not scientific. One "doctor" said there is no danger in taking too much vitamin D.

Well..the Vitamin D thing is very true, especially in my experience and many people I know and network with. It's also something that even doctors are putting cancer patients on. I know I read a study somewhere (I'll look for it) that said cancer patients live longer than cancer patients who were not supplementing with Vitamin D. They are currently running a new study by giving cancer patients as high as 50,000 or 60k IU per day based on that. It definitely helped someone I know that has cancer. They refused chemo, were already in such bad shape that they seemed like they had taken chemo (minus the hair loss), as soon as they went to a 100% organic alkaline boosting PH diet, juicing, Vitamin D supplementation their tumors have shrunk and their cancer is being killed..and their strength is back and they gained their weight back. This is all without radiation, chemo and other drugs. I know others that have done this too. Studies on this can only be done by those who practice it (which they get attacked for) if even that..bc the medical drug industry will not do them..and when they do its biased or funded by someone who is set to make it fail.

Cancer patients are being cured with cannabis oil as well. The CBD cures different cancers, I too know people who have cured themselves of cancer when they were sent home to die. They were told there was no hope. These things are suppressed. I'm not sure what specifically you want me to post..but these things I mentioned are very true. I keep needing to clarify that when I speak on this subject am not speaking about only vaccines..I'm talking about natural healthcare, holistic healing..which is something that boosts your immune system and focuses on the entire bodies health, rather than certain sicknesses and diseases only. Even Sanjay Gupta of CNN aired a do entary on CNN recently admitting to misleading the country on his past anti-medical mj stance, and he apologized for it. He did a story on baby Landon who was given no more than 2 days to live, and cannabis oil killed his cancer. CPS wants to take Landon away bc of this, go figure. I know Landons grandmother, thru my networking. There is a whole other world out there, a natural way of preventing millions of people from being sick or curing people who already are, without medical drugs. I never said they are never necessary. But most aren't needed as much as they are advertised and given, if only this info wasn't suppressed and attacked and more people knew, and more studies could be funded without bias by BigPharma.