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    I think I have a good point and people like Bowen too much to really agree with me.
    Even if you had a good point. Why aren't you trying to trade him for a young, long small forward.

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    Let me tell you something though, if you curse Bowen with all your "he's going to get injured talk", I'm going to have S y voodoo you, your family, and all your friends for the rest of your existence.

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    Who would be willing to give that type of player in place of Bowen? James is the best you can get in my opinion and could turn out a great fit.

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    Who would be willing to give up James if he's so great -- and why has he been on five teams in the past three seasons?

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    Someone already made that argument and I told them he isn't great but was a big difference for Houston in the end of the season. He can play the shooting guard also so take that.

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    He can play the shooting guard also so take that.
    Can he? I'll take my chance with a guy who didn't shoot under 40% from the arc once in all four playoff series than a guy who pulled an 0fer in one.
    I told them he isn't great
    I completely agree with you there.

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    He shoots alot of 3's on statistics so you can't really decide on that one series if he is worth keeping. I don't like you disecting my quotes and not taking all the information that is given. That is a sign of being wrong.

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    He can play the shooting guard also so take that.
    at 6'2"?

    In the NBA?

    That's laughable.

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    David Wesley is laughable to then. He is 6'1 and Bobby Jackson is 6'2. Ben Wallace is 6'8 at the center position. I can understand that you don't notice that there are exceptions.

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    He shoots alot of 3's on statistics so you can't really decide on that one series if he is worth keeping.
    I can decide on keeping Bruce by his four series over .400 -- I don't think you realize the significance of that..
    I don't like you disecting my quotes
    If you have a problem with what you say, don't say it. There are no refs here to whine to, Ray.
    That is a sign of being wrong.
    Your being wrong is a bigger sign of being wrong and your whining is a sure sign of being owned.

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    I think it is a fair deal. You don't think that James is that good but what would be better when Billups is dominating Parker again to put James who is stronger to put against Billups. I would take the lost of Bowen for that opportunity. Parker will never have an answer for the stronger point guards.

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    I would take the lost of Bowen for that opportunity.
    Then you would take the "lost" of the playoffs in the first round. Good job. You could probably get a front office job in Orlando or Toronto.

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    David Wesley is laughable to then. He is 6'1 and Bobby Jackson is 6'2. Ben Wallace is 6'8 at the center position. I can understand that you don't notice that there are exceptions.
    I've also noticed how well David Wesley's teams and Bobby Jackson's teams have done in recent playoffs. In Houston, you'll note that Wesley spent a great deal of time playing alongside Bob Sura, who is around 6'5"; James spent more time playing alongside Jon Barry, who is around 6'5". Unless you're expecting Tony Parker to grow this summer, I can't see your point -- small backcourts tend to get horrendously abused on the defensive end (see, e.g., Francis and Mobley).

    Funny, what you propose would necessarily have the effect of making the Spurs a weaker defensive team -- it would detract from their strengths, particularly if, as you propose, James were brought in to play 2 guard (at times) alongside Parker. Instead of being able to match-up with almost any NBA team, the Spurs would almost of necessity have to play zone for long stretches.

    Besides, you're the only one here who seems to think that Mike James as a middling 30-something is worth more than Bruce Bowen as the premiere perimeter defender in the NBA.

    Don't get upset if people are unwilling to drink the kool-aid of your asinine ideas. We disagree with you because we know basketball. If our disagreement is enough to send you off to be a fan of another team, fare thee well.

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    I doubt Ginobili, Duncan, and Parker would lose in the first round. I don't understand why you think Bowen is so great. You have to play well on both sides of the floor and James can do that. I don't think Houston would want to do this trade though it won't happen anyway.

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    this guy is a complete idiot, T Park is that you?
    Let's take that guess to another level, are you Mike James' Mom?

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    You have to play well on both sides of the floor and James can do that.
    So can Bruce.
    I don't think Houston would want to do this trade though it won't happen anyway.
    Well, the last four teams he was on didn't seem to have a problem letting him go, and wouldn't you know it -- the Rockets just drafted a point guard.

    Go figure.
    I don't understand why you think Bowen is so great.
    I live and breathe, friend. I live and breathe.

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    I think it is a fair deal. You don't think that James is that good but what would be better when Billups is dominating Parker again to put James who is stronger to put against Billups. I would take the lost of Bowen for that opportunity. Parker will never have an answer for the stronger point guards.
    You're concerned about the Spurs matchup with ONE team -- a team the Spurs just beat in the Finals. There is no guarantee that the Spurs will need to matchup better with Detroit next season. The Spurs could fail to reach the Finals (more likely without Bowen, I'd argue); the Pistons could fail to reach the Finals.

    Suppose, just for one second, that like the last, oh 7-8 years in the NBA, there is no repeat of the Finals matchup in 2005-06. The Spurs arrive at the Finals, but the Pistons don't, having been dethroned by, say, the Heat. Now, you have a Spurs team that is "loaded" (says you) at the PG spot, playing against a team that doesn't really have a PG. The one guy that you had who could play some representative defense (and get respect from officials) against Dwayne Wade is cooling his heels on a boat in the Gulf of Mexico with his old buddy Chauncey Billups. Wade, who you've not accounted for in the rush to find a smallish back-up PG, torches the Spurs, forcing double-teams on the floor, leaving Shaq to ravage the middle and cruise to his 4th Finals MVP. Now that's a good scenario.

    Or supose that the Spurs, by some coincidence, meet let's say, the Indiana Pacers in the Finals. Tony Parker is capable of hanging with Jamaal Tinsley and Anthony Johnson, but the Spurs have nobody who can commit exclusively to defending Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson, or maybe even Reggie Miller (Manu tries, but is limited to 25 minutes per game by chasing guys off of screens and expending monumental amounts of energy on the defensive end). While Bruce Bowen and Chauncey are contemplating the next hot fishing hole, the Spurs, who would have been able to defend Indy's wings in previous years, are left to watch Mike James finish up as the 2 guard in garbage time of Indy's Game 5 win. Another good scenario.

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    Dwayne Wade and Chauncey Billups should be considered the most to worry about because Indiana will lose to one of those teams. Bowen will be a year older and not be able to keep up with those 2 players that are quicker than him.

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    Trading Bruce is not a good idea. He fits into the team chemistry well.

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    Dwayne Wade and Chauncey Billups should be considered the most to worry about because Indiana will lose to one of those teams. Bowen will be a year older and not be able to keep up with those 2 players that are quicker than him.
    So Mike James will guard them?

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    Yes when he is in the game since he is a point guard.

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    So Mike James will guard them?
    Yes when he is in the game since he is a point guard.
    That should about wrap things up from here. . . . . I think we've hit an official all-time low.

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    I also hear he s marble.

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    Unbelievable. Bowen dominates in the playoffs, shutting down key players in every round of the playoffs, and his defense leads the team to a championship, and PEOPLE ARE STILL UNDERESTIMATING HIM. Either the person who started the thread is a troll or doesn't understand Spurs basketball.

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