Did you bother to read the credit information I posted? Also, they have the ability to vary prices per mile and in other formats, which they will probabbly do. In fact, the prices right now are supposed to be calculated at about 15 cents per mile
The fact is that a small tax raise that you keep proposing isn't going to be able to meet the funding needs of the states highways.
And another thing, when paying state taxes, why should I have to pay for roads being built in Dallas or Houston that I'm rarely going to use?
Toll Roads put the payment for those roads right in the hands of the users. It assigns more value to alternate options and routes. They work Chris. I know you don't like them, but for you sit there and act like they don't work is ridiculous. There are examples of how well they work in all parts of the world.
As opposed to 10-15 years of construction hassles because expansion of the highway keeps getting delayed due to a lack of funding from the state. Ok!
You'll wave from them only after 5-10 years of construction and hassels. Until then, I'll wave to you sitting next me stuck in toll road construction traffic.
You're completely off base with that. Overall, I'm for a privatization of many government services because the government seems to most things up. How in the is this going against that?I don't get you Manny. Toll roads seem go against every cause you usually preach about here and yet you support them? Tell me how anything I said is wrong? Or maybe this is you just you wanting to pay your $1.25 and feel superior to the other drivers on the free highways?
And another thing, when paying state taxes, why should I have to pay for roads being built in Dallas or Houston that I'm rarely going to use?
Same reason people who don't have kids have to pay the school district portion of their property taxes, I'd imagine.
Again Manny, I have said toll systems work elsewhere. I have never argued that they don't work. But fo SA they are a poor fit. Wait untill we have been paying tolls for years and we still don't have any money to maintain our infrastructure or expand it's capacity. By building conventional use roads, everyone can use them to their fullest efficiency. Toll roads are simply not utilized in that same way.
Based on WHAT Chris? Give me some actual facts or long term analysis to back this up.
Exactly why that was struck down by a judge. Next?
I know it was struck down, and why. Do you also know how they plan on replacing that money? An increase in sales tax is one of them ... are parents with kids in public school the only ones that pay them?
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what was stuck down and when?
One nice thing, that since the commission seem sto be leaning toward privatizing the "starter" toll road on 1604/281, Zachary will have an incentive to complete the project as soon as possible so that they can begin to recoup their investment.
I have already given actually facts. Look at the Writer's maps. How long does it take to build these toll additions? Read the reports. Hmmm... the people who want it build are making the reports. Wow, I wonder what they will say?
Show me where what I have said is wrong.
The school district portion of your property taxes. As soon as they figure out how to replace the revenue lost they will no longer be included as part of your tax bill.
You're acting as though I support that SW. I don't.
So by the same logic, parents should be billed directly for their child's primary education?
What part is wrong? The part where you base your entire arguement on San Antonio being excempt to economic law because you see people driving around with expired tags.
That part.
wow, it'll be good to save that big chunk of change... however, we all benefit from education... just like we all benefit from roads...
there has to be a better solution than toll roads...
Privatization. How it is handled by the private en y is debateable. Also, you are comparing apples and oranges. You're comparing the right to an education with the right to a certain route.
Well, not all roads are going to be tolled. But certain roads where expansion is needed will be tolled. There really is no other way to go.
Doing it with raising taxes is never going to fly. You can't raise taxes for anything without a large backlash. Secondly, the amount the taxes would have to go up would be rather large.
Where did I say SA should be exempt from economic law beacause of expired tags? Dude, what are you reading? I said the toll system won't work here. It will cause more problems than it will solve. I also stated it doesn't fit SA well because of the large number of people who fall below the poverty line who can't afford to use a toll system. I would be in favor of raising taxes if it meant improving roads and reducing construction delays. That would actually help things not hurt them.
One other thing, where does the money come from to foot the bill for the cost of these toll roads? I know it will get paid back, but where does the initial funding come from? What conventional projects get put on hold or shelved for this toll system? Please answer that.
There are places where existing roads will be tolled and new ones will NOT be built. What of these places? How does it help to shift some traffic off lane 3 onto lanes 1 and 2?
We already have in place a system of taxing people for goods and services. It's called sales tax. Why be forced to create an entire new system of goverment to tax people in a different way? It's unnecessary.
Ok, who here is in favor of a 300% tax hike?
no ...the school district portion is over half the cost of my property taxes... where will the funding come from to cover that??? no ing idea...
So we are talking about a 300% sales tax increase or did you just pull that figure out of your ass? Show me facts, figures, and studies Manny! Come on now!
The state can only fund 1/3 of the projects right now Chris. In order to generate the appropriate revenue, how much would the taxes need to be raised?
From what I've read, the funding of the initial "starter" toll lanes is from public funds available. If Zachary is allowed to privately fund the toll road, it would free up $450M that was earmarked for the initial toll road to be used on other road projects ($1.2B total cost).
One of the proposals is an increase in sales tax and franchise tax...that's what they are currently trying to resolve.
How much does 2/3rds of the fund compare to revenue from the state sales tax?
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