someone has already listed the winning records, and they're comparable the first two years
i mentioned that va tech and miami used to be the only teams in the big east worth a gram of mecos. in other words
nobody said anything
aggie i never said vick sucked at all, and the thread is about running assholes
thats why yall are talking mike vick and not peyton manning aggie
2nd coming!
Who was the 1st? Please don't tell me someone that hasn't WON a SB.
Why do these arguments always come up? Any NBA player has a breakout year and there are immediate discussions whether they are the next Jordan. Why do we feel a need to define players so quickly? People have to let their careers finish before we determine their place in history. So if you want to have this discussion you have to be prepared that you can't make a solid persuasive case that is going to convince everyone you are right, regardless of which side you are on. IS VY best ever? Could be, but not yet. He isn't done. This discussion is better when he finishes his time at UT. And even then, it's still subjective.
I will say, he's damn good and I look forward to this season.
A few other things, OU did beat us the past several years. I can find many different reasons of things we did wrong or a coach who didn't have a good game plan, but that is just me in my denial anger trying to justify it. Bottom line, we lost. I say the same things to teams who do the same rationalizing when we beat them, so I won't be a hypocrite and say that only my teams get to justify their losses and everyone else's are only because they suck and need to stop whining about it.
Its human nature to try and defend your clan and see only the best while criticizing your opponents and minimalizing their accomplishments. (i.e. every Spurs player is a godsend who everyone else in the league should give up their best quality players for)
Enjoy sports, be passionate for your teams. But don't be the sore loser/winner that points out everything wrong with everyone else's team. They generally feel the way about their team that you feel about yours. To them, your team is the "bad" team in the way of their "good" team’s goal that they must deserve.
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Where the Phuck have you been man?!?! That was VERY well put.
Are you someone's realistic alter ego/screen name?
thanks and I'm just me. sorry to sound preachy for a newbie.
Sorry I'm just catching up with this.
You must have been there after the Losing Streak.
Around 88-89 I visited a friend at Columbia. He introduced me to one of their offensive linemen. This guy was about 5'5" and couldn't have been more than 150 pounds.
That wasn't me, but I'm almost 100% sure I know who you met.
Sorry I'm just catching up with this.
You must have been there after the Losing Streak.
Around 88-89 I visited a friend at Columbia. He introduced me to one of their offensive linemen. This guy was about 5'5" and couldn't have been more than 150 pounds.
Yeah, our teams weren't real good, and that was part of the reason. As a sop re, I was the biggest dude on the offensive line and compared to O-linemen at other Ivy schools, I was pretty average sized. Our linemen weren't big, our backs weren't fast, and our quarterbacks struggled to throw the ball, but we had fun.
Vick is definitely faster, but he doesn't really break tackles. Young is elusive, and the way he gets out of tackles is just freaky. His performance running in the rose bowl has to be one of the best ever. I consider him a better running QB than Crouch, because Crouch was an option QB. His running doesn't really translate to a pro style offense of drop back, and scramble. The vast majority of Crouch's yards came essentially as a running back. Vince has a good arm, he just makes terrible decisions from time to time. As soon as he figures out to play it safe, and stop forcing the ball into tight spots(this year or next) he'll be drafted top 20. The only time people have had to judge his throwing, he was either a freshman, or working with a bare bones recieving core. With more experience, and lack of an experienced power back, he'll make more plays. Hopefully the running game can be sufficient to keep the pressure off.
^ Agree, I think we'll see Vince have a great year throwing the ball, I actually expect him to run less this year because his WR's should be MUCH better. I'm expecting big things for L. Sweed, J. Shipley, H. Melton, N. Jones, Q. Crosby, T. Gatewood. Also, can't forget about D. Thomas, if he has another big season could easily go in the early rounds of next year's NFL draft.
I hope so....hopefully Brown has been having someone work with him on his mechanics.I think we'll see Vince have a great year throwing the ball
why stop what has been working for them I think they will continue to run with him and use the option more.
I think hes up there... I've never been a huge fan of college sports until five years ago, so watching Young with the ball is something special. I think that he has a chance to score every time the ball is in his hands. Vick was as good in college, but once he got into the nfl, he wanted to be more of a passing qb, I don't think that vince can be a passing qb.
I don't think he should want to be a passing QB. He's got a cannon, just needs to work on accuracy and decision making. He is only a junior this year, and he will likely have the ball in his hands more, so will shall see.
Many don't even realize he is a ONLY junior.
Longhorn fans will enjoy these.
HOW ABOUT NOW???? is he better than vick now??? is he better than reggie mcneill now????
haahhahahahahahhahahahahahhaahhaha
damn what a great game
I dunno CBF, if you count 2 touchdowns and a 2 pt conversion all within 6 minutes in the national championship game, then yeah, i guess you can say that.
Vince is a better OVERALL QB than my votes, he is bigger, but not as fast...
Sorry guys...Gotta go with Crouch and Frazier...So I am a Homer, OK? Yeah, I know that those guys were really RBs in disguise, but you asked...
Frazier would have had even better numbers had he not missed nearly an entire season due to his clotting disorder. And to think that the Huskers still kicked @$$ with Brook Berringer (God rest his soul) in for 2/3d of the season...The next year was the year Frazier and the Huskers whooped the "FUN and GUN" for a second consecutive NC.
Crouch wasn't that good. Frazier was pretty good though. Vince passed up his record though for most rushing yards by a QB in a bowl game.
The closest thing I can remember to Vince's performance in the 2006 Rose Bowl was Frazier's performance against Florida.
I have to say, having taken some time to re-read my earlier posts, that Vince has proven me wrong about a number of things. And I think he deserves major props for the improvements he's shown in many areas -- particularly in his pocket composure and his ability to generally deliver the ball to the right place.
I'm still not convinced that he's "the greatest running QB ever" -- I think for the moment he's "the greatest running QB whose performance is still at the front of everyone's minds." But he's obviously in a very short conversation of those who would qualify to hold that le.
I'm still not sure how you define a running QB. Were Staubach, Elway, and Young running QB's? I mean, Elway ran the ball plenty of times in college and the NFL and is probably the best combination of arm and legs to ever play that position, but nobody wants to talk about Elway in the Vince Lovefest of this thread. Does the greatest running QB have to also be a good passer? If not, then you have to talk about Frazier and option guys like that in this discussion, too.
Vince deserves major props, though. He had a tremendous junior season.
Frazier only "pretty good"? Hmm..Ask the Florida Defense from the 96 Fiesta Bowl..
Crouch was pretty damn good...never got the NC, but he carried the Huskers in those post Osborne seasons while Frank "WRONG WAY" Slurr-ich was trying to figure out what to do next.
Crouch vs OU 2001
By the way, dude throwing the Ball to Crouch is Tommy Lee's tutor's fiancee'.
1) Vick STOMPS better...oh you meant the OLDER, more well-behaved (doesn't take much) MICHAEL Vick, not Marcus...
2) Dude Reggie ROCKS! ! HE IS like the ONLY QB to AVENGE a loss VS Baylor in the HISTORY of the Big XII! ( ouch...my tongue just went THROUGH my cheek)
VY is the MAN. I hope he makes a good decision about the future and I look forward to seeing him on Sundays.
GO BIG XII!
Comparison:
Frazier: 16 Carries - 199 yds; LONG 75 yds 1996 Fiesta Bowl
Young: 19 Carries - 200 yds; LONG 45 yds 2006 Rose Bowl
Negligible at best. Passing wise, VY kicks @$$, but how many yards is ANY Nebraska QB going to throw for when they get nearly 550 per game on the ground?
OH...And last I checked, VYs clotting factors are all good to go...no threat of a stroke or Pulmonary Embolism for him.
We shall never agree to disagree on this, but at least I am not hateful AGGIEFAN.
My wife, an AGGIE, was probably the only one watching the game in our area who was an Aggie, let alone cheering (with me) for the Horns. I suppose that makes her a bad person, but again, she and her country of origin did blow up Hawaii before it was ours...
It is inane here in B/CS with all of the animosity. So thick that people cannot even root for a team in their own conference!
I love the tradition of aTm, it is huge. I never would have known what it was like if I had not lived here. My wife was a decision away from being a Horn and going to t.u. but liked the offer of the aTm Child Psych PhD program better. That is how we ended up in Aggieland.
As wonderful as it is to live amongst the tradition, I do realize one thing...go 5 miles outside of B/CS and it is all about the Horns. The cultish Maroon Koolaid bleeds here and here alone. The sad thing is, many who
1) Have NEVER been to a GAME
2) Never Matriculated at the University
Are the ones to spout off.
For me it is
1) Nebraska (alum, I am)
2) aTm (wife is the AGGIE)
3) Texas
Had my wife chosen t.u. ober aTm, it would be
1) Nebraska
2) Texas
3) The rest of the Big XII
aTm was never close to my radar screen, buit the tradition is a blast. As a relatively conservative CORNEATER, I like that...but it does not mean I appreciate the M&M's here (Maroon Myopics).
I cannot wait until my Men Of Corn come down here on 11/11/06 and kick the crap out of the Ags...But I will be rooting for aTm every other week they play.
Congrats HORNS!
WHOOP BIG XII!!!!!!!!
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