Yahoo: Spurs' talks for Andrei Kirilenko end without deal

[elemento]

Pretty disappointing tbh

Whoever says AK would not help much is flat out lying. He would be a major addition.

[bluebellmaniac]

My latest proposal would look like this...

Player	2013-14	Notes	Actual Salaries
Manu Ginobili*	$6,746,988	* = not confirmed, using Bruno's numbers	$6,746,988
Tony Parker	$12,500,000		$12,500,000
Marco Belinelli*		* = signed after AK47… with MLE	$2,652,000
Tim Duncan	$10,361,446		$10,361,446
Boris Diaw	$4,702,500		$4,702,500
Tiago Splitter*	$7,493,600	* = Cap Hold, Actual around $9M	$9,000,000
Matt Bonner	$3,945,000
Danny Green	$3,762,500		$3,762,500
Kawhi Leonard	$1,887,840		$1,887,840
Nando De Colo	$1,463,000
Patrick Mills	$1,133,950		$1,133,950
Cory Joseph	$1,120,920		$1,120,920
Aron Baynes	$788,872		$788,872
Roster Charge	$490,180
Jeff Pendergraph		* = signed after AK47… with MLE	$2,000,000
Total salaries:	$56,396,796		$56,657,016
Salary Cap	$58,679,000		$58,679,000
Salary Cap Space	$2,282,204		$2,021,984
Matt Bonner + NDC Savings	$5,408,000	If MB and NDC not on the roster (Amnesty, trade, etc)
Avail Sal Cap + 100k*: S&T	$7,790,204	* <-- What we can offer AK47 if we renounce everyone and get him via a S & T.
	$58,779,000	Salary with AK47	$64,447,220
		Total MLE Spent	$4,652,000
		MLE left over ($5.15M)	$498,000

[milkyway21]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sp...052544949.html

The San Antonio Spurs' exploration of acquiring free-agent forward Andrei Kirilenko in a sign-and-trade agreement with the Minnesota Timberwolves has passed without completion, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Spurs seriously considered a multiyear offer for Kirilenko, but Minnesota general manager Flip Saunders has shown little, if any, inclination to assist him in securing a significant financial contract elsewhere, sources said.

San Antonio envisioned Kirilenko, a 6-foot-9 forward, as an ideal fit for its system. He's a gifted scorer, passer and shot blocker, and is able to defend multiple positions.

what?

that's why I like him to be a Spur too.....

I knew Flip would never make this to happen..

The Spurs snagged Rasho in 2003 from them. Leaving Minny no choice but to sign Olowokandi.
Michael Finley nearly signed with Minnesota too, despite invites from KG, he ultimately chose to leave Dallas for defending champion San Antonio in 2005.

Both won rings with the Spurs.

Now, with AK47 in our team we will be definitely be top contender, whether TD's minutes will be limited or not.

I am really disappointed...tbh

[bluebellmaniac]

The possibility isn't officially over until Minny officially signs Martin. Until then, it's a possibility...

[Bruno]

Bruno, if we sign AK47 via a S & T for $7.8M and end up $100k over the salary cap (Minny would get a TPE and a draft pick and we'd amnesty Bonner and send NDC to a 3rd team), would the MLE then kick in? Then we could sign Belinelli and Pendergraph via the MLE? ... still looking for ways...

The MLE won't kick in, it will be the room exception.

[bluebellmaniac]

The MLE won't kick in, it will be the room exception.

Crap... so even though we'd be over the cap by $100k, it'd still be the room exception instead of the MLE... Throw the towel in...

[milkyway21]

[bluebellmaniac]

The Pendergraph deal must have happened after it became apparent that Minny would not be doing us any favors...

[Jordanobili2320]

While I appreciate the Spurs main target being AK47 and recognize he would have been a near perfect fit its really not the end of the world. We were a couple free throws from a ring, it doesn't mean we need that much of an upgrade. Getting Marco was enough for me at it being a successful offseason. He is a great scorer and good enough defender. The perfect spark we needed for our second unit. I really think we had a great offseason. Marco addresses some needs and will prove to be a great fit. You can't get everything, no matter hoiw nice it would be...

[Bruno]

To me, what makes no sense at all is Spurs giving $2M per year to Pendergraph.

I just can't imagine Spurs negotiating a S&T for $8M/$9M per year for Kirilenko and removing the ability to sign him for $7M/$8M per year through a straight up signing with cap space for Jeff Pendergraph, the projected 5th PF/C. The logical obvious logical way for Spurs would have been to work on a S&T and in case it didn't work, try to convince Kirilenko to sign for a little less with a classic cap space signing. It would be crazy if Spurs haven't done like that.

It would be so much more logical if the Pendergraph was a min contract and that McDonald just mixed up total salary with salary per year.

[milkyway21]

I wonder who were the Spurs involved in that supposed to be sign & trade ? Bonner? Neal?

[bluebellmaniac]

I wonder who were the Spurs involved in that supposed to be sign & trade ? Bonner? Neal?

For Minny, they would only have wanted a TPE and draft picks. They'd want the cap room to sign K Martin, but could also have accomplished signing Martin via a S&T using the TPE they generated with the AK trade.

For the Spurs, most likely Bonner would have been amnestied and NDC would have to go to any team willing to take him for a TPE. That would be the most logical sequence. Neal is already off the books and would be a whole separate issue.

[bluebellmaniac]

To me, what makes no sense at all is Spurs giving $2M per year to Pendergraph.

I just can't imagine Spurs negotiating a S&T for $8M/$9M per year for Kirilenko and removing the ability to sign him for $7M/$8M per year through a straight up signing with cap space for Jeff Pendergraph, the projected 5th PF/C. The logical obvious logical way for Spurs would have been to work on a S&T and in case it didn't work, try to convince Kirilenko to sign for a little less with a classic cap space signing. It would be crazy if Spurs haven't done like that.

It would be so much more logical if the Pendergraph was a min contract and that McDonald just mixed up total salary with salary per year.

That's what I mean, it would only make sense if we knew there would be no working with Minny on a deal. So this deal was dead a while ago.

[Twisted_Dawg]

1. If Manu takes less money, the Spurs could have fit AK47 under the cap without relying on the sign-and-trade.

In Manu's mind he did take less money, 50% to be exact. Why would Manu have taken even less money if we offered him $7 million? If you were applying for a job and the firm offered you $100K, would you tell them, "You know, I'd be happy to work for 75K." That very bad contract just given to Manu is all on the Spurs. Manu had little if any leverage. After his horrid playoffs performance capped by the finals nightmare, no other team was going to sign him for much less than $3 million per year. And $3 mill per is what we should have paid him. His "Thank You" contract was his last contract that paid him $14 mill per while he wore out his body playing for Argentina.

Don't forget if they had waived Bonner they'd have been able to sign him straight up as well; regardless of Manu's deal. Still, can't help but be pissed at Manu's deal. Dude better produce.

Doubtful he will. His body and mind can no longer play this game.

Goes to show that Manu doesn't believe in the "1 simple price" that Gunn offers..

Don't blame Manu, blame the FO for that horrible mistake.

Manu?.. Splitter sorry ass is who robbed us..Me personally, I would've let him sign elsewhere?

Had we not signed Splitter, we would have had to sign another big for the same or more money. We didn't need to resign Manu. We had options and leverage.

[coachmac87]

I think minny is playing chicken...they know they have the spurs by the balls. Probably asking for something spurs were hesitant. Both sides will probably sleep on it. Spurs may look to plan b and see what's available..but at the end of day spurs may give in to what minny wants.

IMO AK will be a Spur this afternoon

[bluebellmaniac]

Would Pendergraph's be the bi-Annual exception?

[Mal]

Bruno is going hard on Spurs` front office

[eDizzle20]

At least now there is closure. No more what-if's.

[Spursfanfromafar]

To me, what makes no sense at all is Spurs giving $2M per year to Pendergraph.

I just can't imagine Spurs negotiating a S&T for $8M/$9M per year for Kirilenko and removing the ability to sign him for $7M/$8M per year through a straight up signing with cap space for Jeff Pendergraph, the projected 5th PF/C. The logical obvious logical way for Spurs would have been to work on a S&T and in case it didn't work, try to convince Kirilenko to sign for a little less with a classic cap space signing. It would be crazy if Spurs haven't done like that.

It would be so much more logical if the Pendergraph was a min contract and that McDonald just mixed up total salary with salary per year.

There has been no independent corroboration of McDonald's claims on Pendergraph's salary. The fact also remains that McDonald was himself speculating on the salary figures/ MLE etc a day before he published the article (interestingly, Bruno had found fault with McDonald's lack of sources the same day ) on Spurstalk and the very next day we saw McDonald coming up with a scoop on a Spurs' new contract for the first time in this offseason).

But that said, Woj is much much more competent and if he says that the Spurs have ended their AK47 quest, I think there must be some degree of finality to it. It is most likely that Flip simply didn't want to honour AK47's request for S&T and was confident that Kevin Martin could be signed with cap space and Brewer could be obtained through dumping Ridnour/Barea elsewhere. Stein meanwhile has some corroboration on Ridnour -

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine11h
Hearing: Wolves still chasing Corey Brewer, trying hard to trade Luke Ridnour to create more spending room or sell Denver on sign-and-trade

In many ways, therefore, the Spurs FO seems to have did its best to see if it could get AK47 without having to hamstring Manu's quest for a more-than-reasonable contract.

Maybe if they can dump Bonner somewhere in the next few days, they can still sign AK47. Lets see.

[elec99]

I think bottom line is that Minn wants to compete for FAs in 2014, which means they wont take back players, just picks. Do we have any picks to give??
Seriously, if AK does go for a sign and trade it'll be for picks which at this point seems like a grand deal.
May have to involve a 3rd team?

AK to SAS
MN gets pick(s)
3rd team gets the players MN didnt want, we're speculating they would have been our guards, bonner, etc

[Marcus Bryant]

Pretty cool to pass judgement using info from 3rd and 4th hand sources.

All we have so far is that a S&T is off with Minnesota and reporters quoting contract amounts.

The former does not necessarily preclude the addition of Kirilenko and the trustworthiness of the latter is one of the primary reasons.

Amnestying Bonner would not be preferable to having someone take his contract, so of course you try to work out a S&T.

Patience.

[benefactor]

At least we have confirmation of mutual interest between the Spurs and Kirilenko. Maybe some of the cost cutting moves mentioned can be made and a deal outside of an S&T can be reached.

[raybies]

I wonder what we offered

[Mal]

Atlant can take CoJo, Blair, Bonner. They probably need to add some more salary.

[milkyway21]

For Minny, they would only have wanted a TPE and draft picks. They'd want the cap room to sign K Martin, but could also have accomplished signing Martin via a S&T using the TPE they generated with the AK trade.

For the Spurs, most likely Bonner would have been amnestied and NDC would have to go to any team willing to take him for a TPE. That would be the most logical sequence. Neal is already off the books and would be a whole separate issue.

well, I hope they can unload Bonner

AK47 could have been a welcome addition, but this is already like not a possible signing.

GSW just agreed to terms with free-agent center Jermaine O'Neal for one-year, $2 million contract , I was really hoping AK47 & the FO could have come to agree @ a lower $ with the Spurs, who have shown willingness to sign long terms with him..