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    If you only read big US newspapers and watch cable news you are going to be really confused.

    The internet is this amazing invention that lets people link thousands of different news sources together without having to read them all on a day by day basis. If you click around enough all of a sudden the bigger picture starts to emerge and you can make up your own mind as to what seems most likely to have actually happened.
    Yep.

    Stay away from just one view. See what they all agree on, and what they disagree on. Parse and think about the facts presented and ignore the journalists opinion. In reviewing more than one source, you will find relevant facts omitted by others.

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    How is bombing a country in the middle of a civil war going to help? When the japanese did that to the chinese the entire world condemned them for being opportunistic cowards. Either take the weapons away or let them finish their war. If Assad wins then you can go after him, but bombing them doesnt help them and it doesnt help the US. Its hardly heroic to suckerpunch a bully from afar, less so if you run the risk of trampling his victims. Justice requires investigation and communication, piling more rubble and more bodies on top doesnt help. Regardless of whether the rebels are AQ or not, another US bomb run is only going to make the US more enemies in Syria and around the world. Especially considering the only other modern era chemical attack the US either looked the other way or actually helped, depending on your sources.
    Truth bomb

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    its one thing to be accurate, another to include all relevant information. Omission is the easiest and safest way to manipulate an argument. On top of that the "free" press' (corporate) ownership uses it to sell their products and the politicians that sell their products, and actual journalism takes a back seat to that and you get papers / news hours that barely contain actual news, let alone a comprehensive account of confirmed facts. Thats why its important to look at multiple sources. I dont have the time or the energy to follow all stories closely and I havent been doing so with this one (and I dont live in the US so I see some international media you probably arent familiar with). But I dont really need to know who fired what when the proposed solution is damaging for every party involved (save maybe Israel or oil speculators). And especially damaging for the supposed victims.

    How is bombing a country in the middle of a civil war going to help? When the japanese did that to the chinese the entire world condemned them for being opportunistic cowards. Either take the weapons away or let them finish their war. If Assad wins then you can go after him, but bombing them doesnt help them and it doesnt help the US. Its hardly heroic to suckerpunch a bully from afar, less so if you run the risk of trampling his victims. Justice requires investigation and communication, piling more rubble and more bodies on top doesnt help. Regardless of whether the rebels are AQ or not, another US bomb run is only going to make the US more enemies in Syria and around the world. Especially considering the only other modern era chemical attack the US either looked the other way or actually helped, depending on your sources.
    The 2nd paragraph is totally off subject. Even though I agree with the main point, or at least question the strategy.

    I asked you WHERE you get your information. I can decide for myself if it is reasonable.
    I don't need more corporate/press conspiracy theories. I need to know where you get your information.
    Last edited by pgardn; 09-12-2013 at 12:30 AM.

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    That failed to deploy...

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    If you only read big US newspapers and watch cable news you are going to be really confused.

    The internet is this amazing invention that lets people link thousands of different news sources together without having to read them all on a day by day basis. If you click around enough all of a sudden the bigger picture starts to emerge and you can make up your own mind as to what seems most likely to have actually happened.
    Not if you read State run media and nut case blogs.
    One cannot read everything.
    Give us your best sites.

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    pgrdn in denial

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    pgrdn in denial
    No.

    I just don't guzzle snake oil like your re ed ass.

    Uhh... How was 9/11 covered up?
    , I forgot, you explained how the Gov. silenced hundreds of people involved.
    , probably thousands. Could we get that again please?

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    now you exaggerate with extremes

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    now you exaggerate with extremes
    Describing something that you in fact did is not an exaggeration, chachi.

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    Describing something that you in fact did is not an exaggeration, chachi.
    Now that's some funny chachi

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    No.

    I just don't guzzle snake oil like your re ed ass.

    Uhh... How was 9/11 covered up?
    , I forgot, you explained how the Gov. silenced hundreds of people involved.
    , probably thousands. Could we get that again please?
    Hahahahaaha you're a funny dude

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    Describing something that you in fact did is not an exaggeration, chachi.
    Sorry..I couldn't understand u w Obama's in ur mouth lol

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    Chachi loves Putin

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    ^^ another pussy with Obama in his mouth

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    Good show

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    SO much worse getting Chachi-rolled than Rick-rolled

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    The 2nd paragraph is totally off subject. Even though I agree with the main point, or at least question the strategy.


    I asked you WHERE you get your information. I can decide for myself if it is reasonable.
    I don't need more corporate/press conspiracy theories. I need to know where you get your information.

    http://en.rsf.org/IMG/jpg/2013_wpfi_...reedom_map.jpg


    So with above in mind (yes I realize the criteria in this rating system is not bullet proof) where do people go to get information off the Internet realizing that there are thousands of sources, some of which have very clear agendas?


    One might think Finland (ranked #1), yet Finland does not have people on the ground and sources to compare with for example the BBC, The Guardian, The NY Times. Just because a country allows for more press freedom does not automatically imply that their press will not have an ideological bend. I think readers in the UK and US would classify the aforementioned news organizations as more liberal.


    So I make a plea for sharing and reason and this is what I get...

    I dont have the time or the energy to follow all stories closely and I havent been doing so with this one (and I dont live in the US so I see some international media you probably arent familiar with).

    -Diego


    And from a relatively sane poster as far as I can tell.

    I can only conclude that putting up sources will cause ridicule by posters who most likely have sources that have a clear ideology and, in the case of Che, SA10, etc... are most likely written by fruitbats.
    Last edited by pgardn; 09-13-2013 at 09:04 AM.

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    pgardn, part of my point was that its not very useful to just list sources. Cir stances dictate for each story what sources are "best". Even the best paper can make mistakes, whether it be factual inaccuracy or editorial stupidity. The only paper I consider "above" the rest is the guardian and like I said I dont trust anything and everything they publish.

    Many many times even when you do follow a story closely and read every paper, you are still left with doubts as to what "really" happened. In this case i think that is the most likely outcome and that is part of the reason I havent followed closely. The other is that I live thousands of miles away from both syria and the US and it barely affects me. If I were from the US or lived in the US I would be out protesting, for sure (as I did in the aftermath of 9/11, against the patriot act and attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq).
    Last edited by diego; 09-13-2013 at 11:51 AM.

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    ing chump and sa210 ging up another thread with their sexual tension. your arguments are so ing re ed and childish. grow up pussies

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    Why the troll?

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    What's wrong? Don't like compe ion?

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    What's wrong? Don't like compe ion?
    I was referring to the different screen name, genius.

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    What's wrong? Don't like compe ion?

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    Sorry..I couldn't understand u w Obama's in ur mouth lol
    You couldn't understand because you're unintelligent.

    Now get back to changing quotes and other such spam.

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