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Stop ethering me.
As an Aggie fan, I loved the vid, but for the life of me, I can't understand why you think it helps your argument.
But, but his instinct is to run out of the pocket. But scrambling when the pocket collapses isnt smart or effective. But Evans always bailed him out. But he shouldnt throw off-balance. But he's just a running QB.
Stop ethering me.
Effective in the pocket, effective outside the pocket. The video and stats show that he's not the typical running QB that lacks accuracy. Whats not to like about that ?
Awesome pocket passing right there. And he could move in the backfield.
Video and stats. Anyone can look good if you choose the right plays.
Troy Smith never had a 3000 yard season, much less a 4000 yard one. He was never as accurate overall. I dont know how accurate he was outside the pocket but Id be willing to bet money it wasnt on par with Football either. You're basically faulting Manziel because other guys sucked, other guys that didn't have his passing ability no less.
Nah, it's that it's easy to look like a good passer in college. Most of those Manziel highlights were horrible decisions, throwing across his body, putting the ball right over a defender's head. The good throws he made were usually to wide-open players. Smith also could hit wide-open players like Ginn in stride.Video and stats. Anyone can look good if you choose the right plays.
Troy Smith never had a 3000 yard season, much less a 4000 yard one. He was never as accurate overall. I dont know how accurate he was outside the pocket but Id be willing to bet money it wasnt on par with Football either. You're basically faulting Manziel because other guys sucked, other guys that didn't have his passing ability no less.
At best, Manziel is an average NFL passer. He's a below-average decision-maker and an extremely below-average physical specimen. He has very little upside. I mean, , look at what Colt McCoy did in the league, and he was twice the passer Football is.
See thats what I'm saying, people judge Football based on how other players would do in similar situations and not how he does. Scrambling and throwing outside the pocket and/or on the run for example, normally a low percentage play...but that clearly isn't the case with Football. Jumping up to throw a pass, normally a stupid play but Football has made it work. At the end of the day all that matters is whether he is effective or not.
If you mean currently, then sure Manziel is at best an average NFL passer. Hes like 21 though. Its not like hes reached his ceiling. Look at Vick who's had a better career than Colt and a load of other pocket passers. And he never looked as good passing the ball in college as Manziel did.
Lol. A jump-pass is never justifiable. It never looks good. It's a bad play. The idea that those types of plays are okay when he does them is ludicrous. They didn't work because he's so talented that he made them work. They worked because college defenses suck. You're seriously acting like a Young fan, thinking that him being effective in lower levels means he'll be able to do the same things at higher levels. It doesn't work that way. NFL defenses are bigger, faster and smarter than college defenses. That's why the Young couldn't run over them, why the Wildcat could trick them and why RGIII couldn't outrun them.
If Manziel is to succeed, he needs NFL-caliber skills. Sandlot pocket presence and NFL Street passes won't work. The question is this: Once he gets all that college crap out of his game, what does he have? The answer is very little.
tim tebow set the SEC record for career passer rating
the top 3 completion %'s in SEC history are owned by Tim Couch, Jamarcus Russell, and Tim Tebow
it takes more than a highlight reel to prove that his passing can translate to the NFL... even in the first minute of your vid it shows him run right, throw back across the middle of the field for a TD... an NFL no-no. he scrambled left and threw a jump pass... etc
if manziel's ceiling is mike vick, he's not worth a first, and even that's a stretch because vick had an elite arm
At this point, it appears Johnny Manziel will not work out for the Houston Texans following his Thursday pro day at Texas A&M.
That could prove an interesting turn -- and potentially be a turnoff to the Texans considering how much first-year coach Bill O'Brien prizes working out quarterbacks individually.
Asked if Manziel would work out for the Texans afterward, O'Brien said during Tuesday's AFC coaches' breakfast, "I don't think so. He's got his Johnny Day.''
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...D=cnxqebpo5nlq
Yes!! No to Inbred.
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I don't think so. His quotes have made it sound like they are taking Clowney.smokescreen
i've been hearing Bortles Bortles Bortles, but you never know
Bortles is still preferable to a gimmick like Inbred
The NFL is a step-up, noone is denying that. That's why I have no problem admitting that currently he is at best an average NFL passer despite having been an elite one (statistically) in college. Manziel had 4000 through the air to 800 on the ground this past season, so why are people acting like he plans on going to the NFL and win with his legs? People seem to enjoy ignoring the fact that hes only 21 too, or the strides he has already made on his passing game.
Yeah and Tebow never had anything close to an NFL arm. Another dumb point.
Yep, lets put the fact that, for different reasons, those guys sucked on Football's shoulders. A&M not winning even a conference le should be put on Football and his 10,000 total yards too. That makes so much sense tbh.the top 3 completion %'s in SEC history are owned by Tim Couch, Jamarcus Russell, and Tim Tebow
How about tape and stats? Short of actually playing in the NFL, there's not much else he can do.it takes more than a highlight reel to prove that his passing can translate to the NFL... even in the first minute of your vid it shows him run right, throw back across the middle of the field for a TD... an NFL no-no. he scrambled left and threw a jump pass... etc
If a guy in the NFL is as wide open as he was on that play and he doesn't throw across his body simply bc it's a 'no-no' he will have lost his edge tbh.
Last edited by FkLA; 03-25-2014 at 07:23 PM.
YouTube highlight video =/= tape
He is the most inaccurate of all the top qb prospects and plays sandlot football. Bad combo
You might as well change your team skin to Cleveland now.
Oh, so its enough to make a negative assessment just not a positive one right? The double standard for anything involving Football is so ridiculous.
Theres more video out there from individual games if you bothered to look as well.
Oh no, a whole 1-3% less accurate. Couldnt be attributed to the fact that he played in a significantly better conference than all but Murray/Mettenberger or that all their attempts are almost exclusively from inside the pocket. That is a minimal drop-off considering the fact that Football also improvises.
the improvisation is part of the problem.
Called plays never breakdown?
I'm not saying that's the only time Football improvises, but when used correctly improvisation is an asset not a problem.
hes under 6 feet and barely 200 pounds, with linebackers as fast as him going at full force, his best bet is to not improvise as much if he wants a longer career.
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