OT: Manny Paq better not duck Money..

[bulakenyo]

He stayed too long because spent more than he could afford, like this mansion, 110 rooms 50 bathrooms and who knows what else.

He was delusional.

Nuts.

[Thebesteva]

I made nothing up. I paraphrased what you said, but was just less of a w/ how I phrased it.

Let me break it down for you "Doctor."

"I'm not going to count fighters when Floyd was in his prime."

Floyd's prime was pre 147. How many guys did you list again that were in Floyd's pre 147 days? Listing ing Bradley, Khan, and GGG over actually good opponents Floyd beat . I was never good at anatomy so maybe you can help me with this one. If you've got your entire head up Manny's asshole, what organ do you think you'd reach?

Hands down, when he was a super featherweight he was if not the greatest ever. He was relatively unknown at the time. However, many, including myself believe he lost the 1st JLC fight. It was a fight that drew a lot of criticism. Again, he cemented his legacy at the SF division.

My criticism of him along with millions of boxing fans, is once he joined the 147 division he has been cherry picking fighters. Name me the fight where he completely destroyed a fighter since Ricky Hatton? You think him jabbing or punching a little here and there then running for 4 rounds is the equivalent of what Leonard or Ray Robinson were doing? Name me his career defining fight or KO of the year since the Hatton fight...I'll wait...r u going to go with Victor Oritz?

Judging by your sig, you like riding bandwagon dont you boy?

[Cry Havoc]

Hands down, when he was a super featherweight he was if not the greatest ever. He was relatively unknown at the time. However, many, including myself believe he lost the 1st JLC fight. It was a fight that drew a lot of criticism. Again, he cemented his legacy at the SF division.

My criticism of him along with millions of boxing fans, is once he joined the 147 division he has been cherry picking fighters. Name me the fight where he completely destroyed a fighter since Ricky Hatton? You think him jabbing or punching a little here and there then running for 4 rounds is the equivalent of what Leonard or Ray Robinson were doing? Name me his career defining fight or KO of the year since the Hatton fight...I'll wait...r u going to go with Victor Oritz?

Judging by your sig, you like riding bandwagon dont you boy?

tba, throwing it down hard.

[james evans]

I'm not begrudging Mayweather his right to take more money, just like I'm not saying Kobe shouldn't have signed for 48.

The rub is when you start talking about wanting to be "the greatest". If you WANT to be in that conversation, then your own personal finances, at some point, have to take a back seat to legacy.

You want to be considered "the GOAT"? You want to even be in the CONVERSATION? Then your entire career can't be motivated by money first and foremost.

There's a reason the UFC has taken over as the combat sport. Because they don't allow fighters to not fight each other. If Manny and Floyd were in the UFC, that fight would have happened 8 years ago and we'd probably be on Floyd/Manny IV by now.

beating manny will not enhance floyd no more than he already is or isn't. Cuz as soon as he beats him(and he will) people will say:

he waited too long to fight
manny got old(even though floyd is older)
manny was focused on politics
floyd ran all night and didn't let manny punch him



Remember the Alvarez fight. I told everyone floyd was gonna pitch a shutout. People actually believed Alvarez had a chance. The only guy I feel can beat mayweather now is Danny Garcia. He has the perfect style, he's fast, counterpuncher, and he has stamina with power. But we know that fight is never gonna happen.

As for UFC, Dana White is the devil. They are seriously fukin over their fighters. He makes hundreds of millions per year and his fighters are fighting for peanuts. I aint saying his fighters should make as much as him obviously, but they are getting fuked something serious. They fight their hearts out and Nobody makes million dollar purses even though ppv numbers are great and teh gates are good. Mccain wanted some federation type bull for boxing. It's good for the fans, but not good for the athletes cuz even with the UFC, you'll never see their fighters fight other fighters from Bellator, etc.. To fight any UFC fighter, u must sign your life away to Dana White. Do you feel that's fair? You're complaining about 1 fight between manny and floyd not being made, boxing has 18 weight classes. Can you imagine how many fights wouldn't be made if Boxing was ran like mma? 18 weight classes? 4 or 5 differn't federations. Then whomever has a top fighter like floyd would just protect him like Dana White protects Rousey.

[ImDaNuts]

Garcia wouldn't pose Floyd a problem imo.

[james evans]

He didnt clinched the whole fight against Frazier and Foreman, there were some dirty exchanges, with Frazier ended the fight pissing blood at the hospital.
There was no glove complains and stuff like that, there was action people got hurt.
Ali cant have a normal chat with you or anybody because his head went through a world of pain, Floy cant because he is re ed.

did you actually see those fights, cuz that's all Ali did in those fights. He hit and held foreman on the ropes until foreman tired. He held and held fraizer all 3 of their fights. He took a beating, but his fights were boring as too.

[james evans]

Name the 20,,,,

I want to know the 20 too and he had better not say rocky marciano or joe louis. These guys were about 185 lbs. Tyson would have crushed their soul. No 6 foot 185 lb fighter whips tyson ass in his prime. I hope he doesn't believe that bull .

[james evans]

Garcia wouldn't pose Floyd a problem imo.

Next year floyd will be 38. Garcia will be 27. This isn't like bernard hopkins at 160. There is a reason bernard moved up to 175 in his 40s cuz the mws were getting faster. The lthvy's were slower. Floy's reflexes are noticeably getting slower and garcia is a patient fighter.

[james evans]

Hands down, when he was a super featherweight he was if not the greatest ever. He was relatively unknown at the time. However, many, including myself believe he lost the 1st JLC fight. It was a fight that drew a lot of criticism. Again, he cemented his legacy at the SF division.

My criticism of him along with millions of boxing fans, is once he joined the 147 division he has been cherry picking fighters. Name me the fight where he completely destroyed a fighter since Ricky Hatton? You think him jabbing or punching a little here and there then running for 4 rounds is the equivalent of what Leonard or Ray Robinson were doing? Name me his career defining fight or KO of the year since the Hatton fight...I'll wait...r u going to go with Victor Oritz?

Judging by your sig, you like riding bandwagon dont you boy?

Actually it is haha. What great fighter has leonard destroyed at 147? Hearns was winning their first fight before it was stopped as he was exhausted. It was not destruction or ass whipping. Durant the 2nd time quit cuz he was out of shape and got tired of chasing leonard. He wasn't getting his "ass kicked". Benitez stoppage was bull . Ray was gonna win regardless, but the stoppage wasn't necessary. SRL was a boxer like floyd is. Let's not make him out to be some killer. I do think SRL is greater than floyd all time though.

[james evans]

Its all subjective and I've watched a lot,,,,and I mean a lot of fights,,,,and some of the best fights I have ever seen in my time are the Gatti/Ward fights and neither of those guys will ever go down as the best ever but man want a rivalry. If some of you never saw those fights,,,,rent them.

Those gatti/ward fights are great, but that's not "boxing". I like watching those type of fights too, but I also love technicians. 2 of my favorite fighters of all time are Sweet Pea and James Toney. Boxers. They hit and not get hit. I think it's sad that so called "boxing fans" criticize a boxer for not getting hit. That's the name of the game. You guys want fighters to end up like Wilfred Benitez is today only to forget about them. You want their brains beat to mush just for your enjoyment. I fought amateur in my teenage years and 20s and I didn't give a damn if the people booed. I was never a club fighter and I had a future in other things so I wasn't gonna get my brains beat in when I had great footwork and fast hands

[Mikeanaro]

did you actually see those fights, cuz that's all Ali did in those fights. He hit and held foreman on the ropes until foreman tired. He held and held fraizer all 3 of their fights. He took a beating, but his fights were boring as too.

Yes I saw those fights, did you see the part were he knocks out Foreman? when Gay did something like that? because thats a strategy, running scared of your opponent is not he just wants the cards to win.
Ali vs Frazier 1 the ref wasnt 2 inches next to Ali nursing him.

[james evans]

Yes I saw those fights, did you see the part were he knocks out Foreman? when Gay did something like that? because thats a strategy, running scared of your opponent is not he just wants the cards to win.
Ali vs Frazier 1 the ref wasnt 2 inches next to Ali nursing him.

he didn't "knock out" foreman, foreman was tired from all of those punches. haha. Foreman has one of the best chins in the history of boxing. Ali did get the ko win, but he held, and held, took punches, held, pulled his head in, held and held and then ko'd him in round 8. Let's not rewrite history as if Ali went in the ring and just beat the out of foreman for 8 rounds before stopping him. Cmon now. You may have gotten away with that in the 80s, but we are in a youtube era with guys that even if they haven't seen the fight before can just type it in their browser. Like I said earlier, boxing is an acquired taste. When people see the unskillful Gatti/Ward fights, they feel every match should be that way and that's just not what boxing is. Not even SRR had a lot of fights like that. Ali didn't even have a lot of fights like that since you've mentioned him. Bottom line, Ali after exile was a boring fighter. And I don't want anyone to think I'm some die hard mayweather fan because I have always said that if he didn't duck Mosley back in 99, we would not know mayweather right now. Mosley was at 135 and mayweather was at 130 and mosley wanted to get a fight with him, but Mayweather cleverly turned him down. Imagine if a young Mosley would have had mayweather in 99 hurt like he did a few years ago. He woudln't have made it past round 5. I promise you this.

[Mikeanaro]

he didn't "knock out" foreman, foreman was tired from all of those punches. haha. Foreman has one of the best chins in the history of boxing. Ali did get the ko win, but he held, and held, took punches, held, pulled his head in, held and held and then ko'd him in round 8. Let's not rewrite history as if Ali went in the ring and just beat the out of foreman for 8 rounds before stopping him. Cmon now. You may have gotten away with that in the 80s, but we are in a youtube era with guys that even if they haven't seen the fight before can just type it in their browser. Like I said earlier, boxing is an acquired taste. When people see the unskillful Gatti/Ward fights, they feel every match should be that way and that's just not what boxing is. Not even SRR had a lot of fights like that. Ali didn't even have a lot of fights like that since you've mentioned him. Bottom line, Ali after exile was a boring fighter. And I don't want anyone to think I'm some die hard mayweather fan because I have always said that if he didn't duck Mosley back in 99, we would not know mayweather right now. Mosley was at 135 and mayweather was at 130 and mosley wanted to get a fight with him, but Mayweather cleverly turned him down. Imagine if a young Mosley would have had mayweather in 99 hurt like he did a few years ago. He woudln't have made it past round 5. I promise you this.

Im not saying Ali wasnt keeping it safe against foreman or frazier because those guys punched like , my point is Gay runs all the time hiding behind refs claiming he is the best boxer ever while kissing Justin Bieber in the mouth, he aint tough and never faced real compe ion, he was a nobody during the 90s and when the sport started to lose relevancy he came as the best thing ever ducking prime Pacquiao and had like 30 years to fight Bernard Hopkins, there is nothing new about a perfect record it has been done before without lady gloves, 15 rounds not 12 and total carnage so most boxers finished their lives like re s.
I like defensive boxing as long as there is a purpose like Hollyfield against big ers, but Gay is like a dumb poor idiot who thinks is above god.

[james evans]

but how do you outpunch your opponent by running? just a simple question. I feel mayweather lost against Castillo the first time. I feel he lost the first 4 rounds against judah but adjusted, but I want u to define "running". because the same people(ahem chavez fans) said the same thing about Whitaker when he beat the out of chavez and was robbed in that piece of state of Texas. Running is what Derrick Gainer did agianst Marquez.

[Buddy Mignon]

Hands down, when he was a super featherweight he was if not the greatest ever. He was relatively unknown at the time. However, many, including myself believe he lost the 1st JLC fight. It was a fight that drew a lot of criticism. Again, he cemented his legacy at the SF division.

My criticism of him along with millions of boxing fans, is once he joined the 147 division he has been cherry picking fighters. Name me the fight where he completely destroyed a fighter since Ricky Hatton? You think him jabbing or punching a little here and there then running for 4 rounds is the equivalent of what Leonard or Ray Robinson were doing? Name me his career defining fight or KO of the year since the Hatton fight...I'll wait...r u going to go with Victor Oritz?

Judging by your sig, you like riding bandwagon dont you boy?

What the are you talking about. He took two years off after knocking out Hatton then came back to dominate Marquez. Beat the out of Shane Mosley. Went to jail... came back to beat Cotto. Then turned around and dominated Canelo. Do you even watch boxing?

[Cry Havoc]

beating manny will not enhance floyd no more than he already is or isn't. Cuz as soon as he beats him(and he will) people will say:

he waited too long to fight
manny got old(even though floyd is older)
manny was focused on politics
floyd ran all night and didn't let manny punch him

Probably accurate at this point, given how long it's been since the public has been asking for a Mayweather - Pacquiao fight. But again, all May had to do 3-5 years ago was lace up the gloves. Instead he was very openly playing a money game. Again, fine, but he has no right to balk when people take that away from him and point to it as a questionable mark on his record. Of which he has a few. Still a great fighter, all-time great boxer, perhaps the best defensive specialist in history, but not the GOAT. Not even close.

As for UFC, Dana White is the devil. They are seriously fukin over their fighters. He makes hundreds of millions per year and his fighters are fighting for peanuts. I aint saying his fighters should make as much as him obviously, but they are getting fuked something serious. They fight their hearts out and Nobody makes million dollar purses even though ppv numbers are great and teh gates are good. Mccain wanted some federation type bull for boxing. It's good for the fans, but not good for the athletes cuz even with the UFC, you'll never see their fighters fight other fighters from Bellator, etc.. To fight any UFC fighter, u must sign your life away to Dana White. Do you feel that's fair? You're complaining about 1 fight between manny and floyd not being made, boxing has 18 weight classes. Can you imagine how many fights wouldn't be made if Boxing was ran like mma? 18 weight classes? 4 or 5 differn't federations. Then whomever has a top fighter like floyd would just protect him like Dana White protects Rousey.

Well, speaking frankly, I agree with a lot of what you say about the UFC. They definitely don't do right by their fighters. However, boxing has become the most corrupt sport in the world outside of soccer. To say the UFC is the devil while ignoring the atrocity that took boxing from THE marquee event in the sporting world to what it is now is revisionist at best.

I think as the UFC ages they will probably introduce more weight classes, however boxing clearly has too many given the dearth of talent that's out there now.

[Buddy Mignon]

I want to know the 20 too and he had better not say rocky marciano or joe louis. These guys were about 185 lbs. Tyson would have crushed their soul. No 6 foot 185 lb fighter whips tyson ass in his prime. I hope he doesn't believe that bull .

Look... every fight can be beat... in their prime.

Buster
Lennox
Holyfield
Mercer
Holmes
Norton
Ali
Bowe
Foreman
Shavers
Joe Louis
Jack Johnson

Thats not twenty but its a good list of fighters that could have and did beat Tyson. Dont give me this about Tysons shortcomings... that's what make guys like Ali so great... being able to fight through adversity in and out of the ring. Tyson didnt have the mental toughness to become great. Extremely talented but far from great.

[Cry Havoc]

Look... every fight can be beat... in their prime.

Buster
Lennox
Holyfield
Mercer
Holmes
Norton
Ali
Bowe
Foreman
Shavers
Joe Louis
Jack Johnson

Thats not twenty but its a good list of fighters that could have and did beat Tyson. Dont give me this about Tysons shortcomings... that's what make guys like Ali so great... being able to fight through adversity in and out of the ring. Tyson didnt have the mental toughness to become great. Extremely talented but far from great.

Tyson would have ended half of those guys in the first round in his prime. Just shows how pathetic your takes are on boxing. Mercer? Are you serious kid? The guy that Jesse Ferguson took out in a UD? Yeah, the ref saved Ferguson's ass in the 6th after Tyson beat the out of him for 5 rounds. Mercer would have been lucky to last 3 rounds in the ring with Prime Iron Mike.

Can't even back up his words.

12 = 20.

[JamStone]

A few points of clarifications:

Pacquiao has never tested positive for steroids or other PE type drugs. The issues a few years ago when there were negotiations about an actual fight taking place was that Mayweather wanted Pacquiao to agree to a drug test that could be taken all the way up to the day of the fight. Manny didn't want to have his blood drawn the day of the fight for obvious reasons. He said he'd agree to a drug test if the stipulations were amended so he didn't have to have blood drawn the day of the fight. Floyd wouldn't agree to that.

I'm Filipino so I have obvious biases. However, in all honesty, I feel like both fighters have dodged each other all these years. I don't think either has been honest that they were both willing to fight. I agree that Manny is an Arum puppet, and I also agree that Floyd has always made unreasonable demands so a fight would not happen. I do think there's some merit to the notion that Floyd didn't want to fight Manny when Manny was still considered in his prime and great because it would legitimately threaten his undefeated record. Those are also the reasons I don't believe a fight will ever happen. Both guys have been chicken s about actually making the fight happen.

That said, at this point in each guy's respective career, it'd be hard to pick against Floyd. Manny has gotten old and has shown vulnerability because at times he's so aggressive and leaves himself open to take hard crosses and uppercuts that could lead to KOs. He's not the same fighter he was even 3 years ago. Whether you question Floyd's opponents or not, he hasn't really been challenged. And certainly his head hasn't taken the type of damage Manny has in recent fights. Floyd would again play his defensive game and Manny wouldn't get many if any good hits square on. A decision would surely favor Floyd.

This fight should have happened 5-7 years ago. Now, it's much less appealing. Floyd is the bigger draw and deserves the bigger purse. I wonder if he'd be willing to a decision based split of the purse, something like if he wins he takes 75-25, but if Manny wins it's a 50-50 split. Do they do that? Can they do that? If both fighters were really willing to make it happen, couldn't that help be an incentive to move negotiations along? I'm not sure.

[Cry Havoc]

A few points of clarifications:

Pacquiao has never tested positive for steroids or other PE type drugs. The issues a few years ago when there were negotiations about an actual fight taking place was that Mayweather wanted Pacquiao to agree to a drug test that could be taken all the way up to the day of the fight. Manny didn't want to have his blood drawn the day of the fight for obvious reasons. He said he'd agree to a drug test if the stipulations were amended so he didn't have to have blood drawn the day of the fight. Floyd wouldn't agree to that.

I'm Filipino so I have obvious biases. However, in all honesty, I feel like both fighters have dodged each other all these years. I don't think either has been honest that they were both willing to fight. I agree that Manny is an Arum puppet, and I also agree that Floyd has always made unreasonable demands so a fight would not happen. I do think there's some merit to the notion that Floyd didn't want to fight Manny when Manny was still considered in his prime and great because it would legitimately threaten his undefeated record. Those are also the reasons I don't believe a fight will ever happen. Both guys have been chicken s about actually making the fight happen.

That said, at this point in each guy's respective career, it'd be hard to pick against Floyd. Manny has gotten old and has shown vulnerability because at times he's so aggressive and leaves himself open to take hard crosses and uppercuts that could lead to KOs. He's not the same fighter he was even 3 years ago. Whether you question Floyd's opponents or not, he hasn't really been challenged. And certainly his head hasn't taken the type of damage Manny has in recent fights. Floyd would again play his defensive game and Manny wouldn't get many if any good hits square on. A decision would surely favor Floyd.

This fight should have happened 5-7 years ago. Now, it's much less appealing. Floyd is the bigger draw and deserves the bigger purse. I wonder if he'd be willing to a decision based split of the purse, something like if he wins he takes 75-25, but if Manny wins it's a 50-50 split. Do they do that? Can they do that? If both fighters were really willing to make it happen, couldn't that help be an incentive to move negotiations along? I'm not sure.

This is a good analysis. The only problem I see from Floyd's perspective is that he lacks the power to really do much damage to Manny. Pacquiao could pretty much swing for the fences and knowing Floyd he wouldn't want to get in the way of an errant punch, so Mayweather would be dodging most of the fight. I'm not sure a decision favors Floyd, as Manny would likely throw 3x as many punches and most of them with power and conviction. Obviously Manny would miss a great deal more than he's used to, but he also wouldn't have to worry about being knocked out or likely even being fazed by anything Floyd is going to throw. Floyd would be tossing out that pinpoint jab, but it would come down to how many of those power punches from Manny lands in a 12 round decision.

I also think one of the reasons Manny has been opening himself up is to prove he still has power in his hands. He certainly showed that in his last fight, even if a couple of those knockdowns were slips, most of them came at the end of a flurry or power punch. I doubt Manny would go in headhunting against Floyd (out of both respect and wanting to win the fight more than get a KO) and would likely choose to use short bursts when he finds an open spot.

People in here claiming to be "real" boxing fans and commenting on exactly how the fight would go with 100% conviction that either side would win is ing ludicrous. Styles make fights. Manny is FAR more dangerous and unpredictable than anyone Floyd has fought in recent memory, even at his present age. I still think it would be a great fight, but 5 years ago it would have absolutely been one of the most spectacled, anticipated fights since Ali retired. It was THE superfight people wanted to see from all walks of life, not just fans of pugilism. Even now, it would definitely be a cultural event, just not the pinnacle of entertainment that it would have been half a decade prior.

[Thebesteva]

Actually it is haha. What great fighter has leonard destroyed at 147? Hearns was winning their first fight before it was stopped as he was exhausted. It was not destruction or ass whipping. Durant the 2nd time quit cuz he was out of shape and got tired of chasing leonard. He wasn't getting his "ass kicked". Benitez stoppage was bull . Ray was gonna win regardless, but the stoppage wasn't necessary. SRL was a boxer like floyd is. Let's not make him out to be some killer. I do think SRL is greater than floyd all time though.

What the are you talking about. He took two years off after knocking out Hatton then came back to dominate Marquez. Beat the out of Shane Mosley. Went to jail... came back to beat Cotto. Then turned around and dominated Canelo. Do you even watch boxing?

I'm just adding more names to the list I can laugh at when he inevitably loses in the next year or two. It's going to take time, but he's going to lose and lose badly.

Yes, I was watching boxing when your mother was being raped in an alley the night you were conceived.

[james evans]

Look... every fight can be beat... in their prime.

Buster
Lennox
Holyfield
Mercer
Holmes
Norton
Ali
Bowe
Foreman
Shavers
Joe Louis
Jack Johnson

Thats not twenty but its a good list of fighters that could have and did beat Tyson. Dont give me this about Tysons shortcomings... that's what make guys like Ali so great... being able to fight through adversity in and out of the ring. Tyson didnt have the mental toughness to become great. Extremely talented but far from great.

Buster - well buster did beat tyson in his prime. I can't argue much there. Can't make the excuse tyson was undertrained or not focused. Douglass did beat him. but if they fought 100 times. tyson wins 99 of them. haha.

Lennox - fuk no. Exacty when was Lewis' prime? was it early 90s when he was right hand crazy pre-steward beating the remains of Ruddock(which tyson had just beat his career out him). Was it the same early to mid 90s version that was ko'd in 2 by a tyson sparring partner(Mccall) and also struggled with Mercer in a fight that could have gon either way. Was it the late 90s version that struggled with Shannon Briggs and still didn't have a chin(i feel this was the best version of Lewis though). Was it the early 2000s version that was ko'd in 1 punch by rahman and fought life and death with vitaly while was he was out of shape? which version of Lewis beats a prime tyson?

Holyfield - Holyfield would have gave him a tough fight. I can't even lie, but young prime holyfield was just too stupid fr his own good. The old past his prime holyfield that fought tyson was smart. He didn't brawl, he jab and grabbed. The young holyfield was too skinny and tyson back then loved body work. When holyfield got hurt back then, he didn't hold, he fought harder. He would have gotten hurt. But tyson would not have walked thru him.

Mercer- I feel mercer could have. He had one of the best chins in boxing. Tyson could struggle with him and I don't see him getting mercer out of there early. It would be a war.

Holmes - I feel holmes would beat tyson, but tyson's style would be bad for holmes in his prime too. A younger holmes had better legs and was quicker. I can see holmes winning a decision.

Norton - NO. his weakness was punchers. tyson knocks him out

Ali - which version? and which version of tyson. People forget Ali was succeptable to left hooks. Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper both dropped Ali(when he was Clay) by brutal left hooks. And they don't hit half as hard as tyson. Fraizer hit him with left hooks for 3 fights(older Ali). Now I'm not saying tyson beats ali, but i'm not saying ali blows him out. Young tyson had left hooks and body work. Look at Ali's 1st fight with George Chuvalo. He took one of the worst body beatings he's ever taken. 87 Tyson vs young ali it's a toss up. early 30s/ post exile Ali vs post prison tyson, Ali knocks him out.

Bowe - The bowe that fought holyfield the first time, u can't name 5-7 heavyweights all time that would have beat him that night. That fighter was damn near the perfect hw. He had quickness, accuracy, power, a chin, and stamina. Unfortunately, it was the last time we saw THAT fighter. Tyson nor Lewis is beating that bowe. And before u say, "bowe ducked lewis" , that was Rock Newman's doing. Bowe would have destroyed lewis back then. Screw the olympics in 88.

Foreman - Old foreman there is a possibility, young foreman, no. Young foreman lacked stamina . See ron lyle fight. Prime Tyson aint lyle.

Shavers - possibly yes. Shavers hit hard, but he'd have to ko tyson early. If it goes past 6, tyson ko's him. He lacked stamina and a chin.

Joe Louis - no. Joe Louis was great, but he was too damn small. Louis weighed under 200 lbs. He'd be a cruiser weight by today's standards. Tyson's problems were big hws with great jabs. Louis was about an inch or so taller than tyson but he would be giving up 10-15 lbs. Too small

Jack Johnson - Can't say tyson would have beat him. Johnson was big and defensive. Could be a toss up. Tyson doesn't run through him and Johnson doesn't destroy tyson either, but I feel Johnson can win.

[james evans]

A few points of clarifications:

Pacquiao has never tested positive for steroids or other PE type drugs. The issues a few years ago when there were negotiations about an actual fight taking place was that Mayweather wanted Pacquiao to agree to a drug test that could be taken all the way up to the day of the fight. Manny didn't want to have his blood drawn the day of the fight for obvious reasons. He said he'd agree to a drug test if the stipulations were amended so he didn't have to have blood drawn the day of the fight. Floyd wouldn't agree to that.

I'm Filipino so I have obvious biases. However, in all honesty, I feel like both fighters have dodged each other all these years. I don't think either has been honest that they were both willing to fight. I agree that Manny is an Arum puppet, and I also agree that Floyd has always made unreasonable demands so a fight would not happen. I do think there's some merit to the notion that Floyd didn't want to fight Manny when Manny was still considered in his prime and great because it would legitimately threaten his undefeated record. Those are also the reasons I don't believe a fight will ever happen. Both guys have been chicken s about actually making the fight happen.

That said, at this point in each guy's respective career, it'd be hard to pick against Floyd. Manny has gotten old and has shown vulnerability because at times he's so aggressive and leaves himself open to take hard crosses and uppercuts that could lead to KOs. He's not the same fighter he was even 3 years ago. Whether you question Floyd's opponents or not, he hasn't really been challenged. And certainly his head hasn't taken the type of damage Manny has in recent fights. Floyd would again play his defensive game and Manny wouldn't get many if any good hits square on. A decision would surely favor Floyd.

This fight should have happened 5-7 years ago. Now, it's much less appealing. Floyd is the bigger draw and deserves the bigger purse. I wonder if he'd be willing to a decision based split of the purse, something like if he wins he takes 75-25, but if Manny wins it's a 50-50 split. Do they do that? Can they do that? If both fighters were really willing to make it happen, couldn't that help be an incentive to move negotiations along? I'm not sure.

This is a good analysis. Today people feel that you have to be a fan of either guy when you have an opinion. I don't hate either guy. I'm not even concerned with the fight. There are way better superfights out there to be made. People that jock this fight aren't even boxing fans themselves. There isn't a person alive that can convince me Mayweather vs Pacqiua will be more interesting than Mattysse vs Provodnikov. Then you have Canelo Alvarez vs GGG at mw. Also GGG vs Andre Ward at sm. Why does this fight make or break boxing? In the 90s, we never got to see Felix Trinidad vs Ike Quartey. That's the one fight of that era that should have been made that fans were cheated out of.

[Cry Havoc]

Mercer- I feel mercer could have. He had one of the best chins in boxing. Tyson could struggle with him and I don't see him getting mercer out of there early. It would be a war.

You realize Ferguson completely beat down Mercer in 12 in Mercer's prime and Tyson stopped Ferguson in the 6th, right? It's not like these guys fought decades apart.

[Buddy Mignon]

Tyson would have ended half of those guys in the first round in his prime. Just shows how pathetic your takes are on boxing. Mercer? Are you serious kid? The guy that Jesse Ferguson took out in a UD? Yeah, the ref saved Ferguson's ass in the 6th after Tyson beat the out of him for 5 rounds. Mercer would have been lucky to last 3 rounds in the ring with Prime Iron Mike.

Can't even back up his words.

12 = 20.

Ok... now if you take the laziest fighter on that list... he knocked Tyson out. I don't care what excuses you want to make for Tyson.