Let's Talk Honestly About Racial Inequality

[DMC]

It's translated from German that idiom doesn't mean what you think. If you think for a second that Nietzsche supported group think you are demonstrably idiotic.

My favorite Nietzsche quote is from Beyond Good and Evil



Nietzsche in Beyond and Good and Evil and Human All too Human pretty much chastises people that have to use broad moral categorizations to dumb down and make judgment. Nietzche Contra Wagner addresses it on the nationalist and ethnic scale. Owning oneself and achieving a will to power was the central premise of his philosophy.

A pseudo-intellectual activity is throwing out quotes that you don't understand. Good job. Your dumbass in crime Darrin here does that a lot too.

I really ed you up it seems.. any more nuggets falling out of that gourd of yours, Flukey?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In your own words, start your own thread.. and watch the tumbleweeds blow by... fraud.

So you are reduced to throwing meaningless drivel and appealing to your krew and hoping that I care. How the mighty have fallen. .. . .

Your disdain is meaningless to me and reciprocated, racebaiter.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I really ed you up it seems.. any more nuggets falling out of that gourd of yours, Flukey?

you googled 'self owned' quotes and didn't understand the one you picked. posture all you like but we both know. I do have you in a butthurt tizzy though. let it all out, missy.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

and then you call me a pseudo-intellectual. I absolutely love irony. Thanks dip .

[DMC]

you googled 'self owned' quotes and didn't understand the one you picked. posture all you like but we both know. I do have you in a butthurt tizzy though. let it all out, missy.

What in the OP is wrong?

Are black men imprisoned at a higher per capita rate than other races, in the USA?
Are black men less apt to stick around to raise a child they fathered than are other races in the USA?
Is poverty an exclusively black issue?

Why does a website by black people for black people, about black people... rile you up so much? Did you think those numbers were cherry picked by me? You shot your tiny insignificant wad too early and now you're floundering...

The Freddy quote was regarding the black man, not regarding you, fraud. Yes you're a fraud. Everyone here knows it.

Now triple post again as the thoughts keep oozing out of your asshole.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What in the OP is wrong?

Are black men imprisoned at a higher per capita rate than other races, in the USA?
Are black men less apt to stick around to raise a child they fathered than are other races in the USA?
Is poverty an exclusively black issue?

Why does a website by black people for black people, about black people... rile you up so much? Did you think those numbers were cherry picked by me? You shot your tiny insignificant wad too early and now you're floundering...

The Freddy quote was regarding the black man, not regarding you, fraud. Yes you're a fraud. Everyone here knows it.

Now triple post again as the thoughts keep oozing out of your asshole.

of course it was. . . . in a post that did nothing but insult me you threw that in at the end to speak to random black man. everyone hates ne cause DMC said OH NOES!

The very first study that I pulled indicated precisely that the health of children -and the NIH interprets 'health' broadly- was NOT a function of family structure or race. I then pulled several studies that controlled similar variables for other socioeconomic factors.

Now you want to talk for 24 hours and rejoin to this horse ? Nice.

fuk yo beggin the question klown. Nice intellectual laziness and dishonesty though, fatty.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You can always tell when Fuzzy has read a new chapter in his Jr debate book. This week's ad nauseum term is begging the question.

[m>s]

You can always tell when Fuzzy has read a new chapter in his Jr debate book. This week's ad nauseum term is begging the question.

He is above average intelligence for a black and lower to average intelligence for a white and constantly has something
to prove

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I want to race bait but I am too dumb to argue logically so I whine, semen shield, and take shots instead

I always respond to people inserting questions instead of arguments with that. You guys whining about logic is fun though.

You guys sniping instead of talking the issue is fine with me. Anyone reading it sees you for what you are.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Seriously, if you are going to continue with the race baiting jab provide one shred of evidence. Good luck finding one.

[DMC]

Seriously, if you are going to continue with the race baiting jab provide one shred of evidence. Good luck finding one.

He didn't even read the OP. He's basically the Grey Poupon version of Wild Cobra, comes in and drags up topics from years ago and calls everyone a racist like he did with the Antoine Walker thing in the NBA form some time back, then never once points out what about anyone's post was racist.

He's completely melting down and has been for quite some time. Must be a load of fun to be around.

[DMC]

Racial Disparities in Incarceration

• African Americans now cons ute nearly 1 million of the total 2.3 million incarcerated population
• African Americans are incarcerated at nearly six times the rate of whites
• Together, African American and Hispanics comprised 58% of all prisoners in 2008, even though African Americans and Hispanics make up approximately one quarter of the US population
• According to Unlocking America, if African American and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rates of whites, today's prison and jail populations would decline by approximately 50%
• One in six black men had been incarcerated as of 2001. If current trends continue, one in three black males born today can expect to spend time in prison during his lifetime
• 1 in 100 African American women are in prison
• Nationwide, African-Americans represent 26% of juvenile arrests, 44% of youth who are detained, 46% of the youth who are judicially waived to criminal court, and 58% of the youth admitted to state prisons (Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice).

Drug Sentencing Disparities

• About 14 million Whites and 2.6 million African Americans report using an illicit drug
• 5 times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans, yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites
• African Americans represent 12% of the total population of drug users, but 38% of those arrested for drug offenses, and 59% of those in state prison for a drug offense.
• African Americans serve virtually as much time in prison for a drug offense (58.7 months) as whites do for a violent offense (61.7 months). (Sentencing Project)

Contributing Factors

• Inner city crime prompted by social and economic isolation
• Crime/drug arrest rates: African Americans represent 12% of monthly drug users, but comprise 32% of persons arrested for drug possession
• "Get tough on crime" and "war on drugs" policies
• Mandatory minimum sentencing, especially disparities in sentencing for crack and powder cocaine possession
• In 2002, blacks cons uted more than 80% of the people sentenced under the federal crack cocaine laws and served substantially more time in prison for drug offenses than did whites, despite that fact that more than 2/3 of crack cocaine users in the U.S. are white or Hispanic
• "Three Strikes"/habitual offender policies
• Zero Tolerance policies as a result of perceived problems of school violence; adverse affect on black children.
• 35% of black children grades 7-12 have been suspended or expelled at some point in their school careers compared to 20% of Hispanics and 15% of whites

Effects of Incarceration

• Jail reduces work time of young people over the next decade by 25-30 percent when compared with arrested youths who were not incarcerated
• Jails and prisons are recognized as settings where society's infectious diseases are highly concentrated
• Prison has not been proven as a rehabilitation for behavior, as two-thirds of prisoners will reoffend

Exorbitant Cost of Incarceration: Is it Worth It?

• About $70 billion dollars are spent on corrections yearly (there's your rich neighborhood vs poor neighborhood school money)

Prisons and jails consume a growing portion of the nearly $200 billion we spend annually on public safety

This is straight from the NAACP website

How does this not jive with what I posted in the OP? Do you think the NAACP also didn't normalize their data for socioeconomic factors? Notice how they ignore the fact that the majority of prison sentences for drug related offenses are for selling, not using? They equivocate selling and using as "drug users" to hide the fact that black men think it's the coolest thing in the world to push crack on the streets, gangsta. Whites might use it, but they don't openly promote selling the and build their entire culture around the sell of it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He didn't even read the OP. He's basically the Grey Poupon version of Wild Cobra, comes in and drags up topics from years ago and calls everyone a racist like he did with the Antoine Walker thing in the NBA form some time back, then never once points out what about anyone's post was racist.

He's completely melting down and has been for quite some time. Must be a load of fun to be around.

Whatever you have to tell yourself. you aren't even discussing the OP you are just taking repeated shots at me. if you cannot figure out how children's health not being a function of race or family but income and other factors speaks to your comments on marriage rates, black men, and this nebulous rant about how that is the root of all their ills then oh well.

you aren't even discussing the op. you are just taking shots at me. race bait and then on anyone that speaks against it is virtue to you. I guess you have a bit of angst over that ter of a game. Very social of you. I'm sure you have lots of friends.

[DMC]

Whatever you have to tell yourself. you aren't even discussing the OP you are just taking repeated shots at me. if you cannot figure out how children's health not being a function of race or family but income and other factors speaks to your comments on marriage rates, black men, and this nebulous rant about how that is the root of all their ills then oh well.

That was discussed in the OP that you didn't read.

you aren't even discussing the op. you are just taking shots at me. race bait and then on anyone that speaks against it is virtue to you. I guess you have a bit of angst over that ter of a game. Very social of you. I'm sure you have lots of friends.

You repeated yourself.

You still haven't read the OP. You say my method is flawed but you've not addressed my conclusions, are they flawed as well? Or do I have correct conclusions you just disagree with how I got there or do you even know?

Everything you've mentioned has been addressed. Poverty isn't exclusive to blacks. Poor health isn't exclusive to poor black kids.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Seriously, if you are going to continue with the race baiting jab provide one shred of evidence. Good luck finding one.

We've had this discussion before. I'm not here to convince you. If you don't believe me I really don't care. We both remember WH commenting much the same and it's pretty transparent. And the OP. Whether or not you are just lying or whatever cognitive dissonance you have going on doesn't matter either.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

• About 14 million Whites and 2.6 million African Americans report using an illicit drug
• 5 times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans, yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites
• African Americans represent 12% of the total population of drug users, but 38% of those arrested for drug offenses, and 59% of those in state prison for a drug offense.
• African Americans serve virtually as much time in prison for a drug offense (58.7 months) as whites do for a violent offense (61.7 months). (Sentencing Project)

Contributing Factors

google sophistry won't get you to the promised land if you can't read worth a , fattie. This is your second fail in a row.

You were pretty ing ignorant regarding Fred before and then you go and do this. Thank you, dimwit, for demonstrating the enforcement bias and ting all over your 'they want to be drug dealers' narrative in the very same post.

[DMC]

google sophistry won't get you to the promised land if you can't read worth a , fattie. This is your second fail in a row.

You were pretty ing ignorant regarding Fred before and then you go and do this. Thank you, dimwit, for demonstrating the enforcement bias and ting all over your 'they want to be drug dealers' narrative in the very same post.

Once again you pretend to have won something and yet feel smug about keeping it all to yourself. Your problem is that you make generic statements and expect your reader to decipher the page of material you just posted to get whatever passive aggressive innuendo you just posted.

I explained the difference quite easily, drug users vs drug offenses.. word trickery fools even you, but then you're ready to be fooled.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The numbers are skewed by the massive amount of unwed blacks, male and female, producing offspring. The numbers don't say who's living together, but it's apparent that there's no benefit to being married for black people who aren't career minded people. Children are an income source for many of these people.

When a child is only an income source, the child doesn't get the attention it deserves as a developing mind. Dad isn't around and mom is trying to produce the next income source. The child gets to an age where it becomes self aware and begins to realize it's only an income source, not loved or wanted. It finds comfort in the presence of other children who face the same dilemma. These people grow up to a different reality than most white/black children from married parents. They don't pursue education, just income sources. Since a black man cannot become pregnant, most of those income sources are going to be illegal; it's quick, it's easy and it's "cool". That lands them in trouble with the law.

While the white man has his white trash relative who does similar things, it's frowned upon in the white community. You rarely if ever hear bragging about doing prison time or committing crimes or having babies out of wedlock in the white community. That's because a disproportionate number of whites are not raised by their peers, but instead by their elders/parents. Elders and parents have corporate knowledge about life in general, peers have wants and misconceptions about life.

Summary: Blacks teach other blacks to fail. It's apparent even on this forum where even pretend blacks preach hatred and dissent, and loath education and success. There's a pervasive theme of "yall shouldn't put up with that, but I'm an educated black so I'll just dissent" here. Elsewhere it's just action by example, and that example is by peers, not by elders.

The very first study that I pulled indicated precisely that the health of children -and the NIH interprets 'health' broadly- was NOT a function of family structure or race. I then pulled several studies that controlled similar variables for other socioeconomic factors.

Now you want to talk for 24 hours and rejoin to this horse ? Nice.

fuk yo beggin the question klown. Nice intellectual laziness and dishonesty though, fatty.

I'll just repost this from now on when you say I don't address the OP.

[DMC]

We've had this discussion before. I'm not here to convince you. If you don't believe me I really don't care. We both remember WH commenting much the same and it's pretty transparent. And the OP. Whether or not you are just lying or whatever cognitive dissonance you have going on doesn't matter either.

You could have answered him with fewer words, you typed more than necessary and didn't address anything. Where is the race baiting in the OP?

[DMC]

I'll just repost this from now on when you say I don't address the OP.

Yet you never explained why black kids are inherently less healthy than white ones, since poverty exists for both sets. If we were to accept your comments as facts, what do they actually indicate? How do they change what I've said in the OP? You're being intentionally obtuse and nebulous, but you know that and you really don't have an answer. You're just chumping it right now.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Once again you pretend to have won something and yet feel smug about keeping it all to yourself. Your problem is that you make generic statements and expect your reader to decipher the page of material you just posted to get whatever passive aggressive innuendo you just posted.

I explained the difference quite easily, drug users vs drug offenses.. word trickery fools even you, but then you're ready to be fooled.

I don't think I have won anything. You are funny to me like watching the Three Stooges so I laugh. It's pretty base but oh well.

You really suck for speaking for me. You also like to tell us what your dumbed down stereotype thinks and the like. Your deluded or just trying to troll me whatever.

And word trickery is meaningless when you are direct.

You just posted that said that black drug users were arrested at 10 times the rate of white drug users and then talked about how all black people want to do is be drug dealers. That is incredibly dumb in my view and speaks to poor reading skills. If you don't think it is and that I haven't won or whatever emotional prop you need then fine that just reinforces my thoughts.


I have pointed out that the NIH says that childrens health wasn't a function of race or family structure. Meaning that white, asian, mexican, etc poor people have the same problems and your racial stupidity is nonunique.

Go ahead and pull your pants down and run in circles some more.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You could have answered him with fewer words, you typed more than necessary and didn't address anything. Where is the race baiting in the OP?

The numbers are skewed by the massive amount of unwed blacks, male and female, producing offspring. The numbers don't say who's living together, but it's apparent that there's no benefit to being married for black people who aren't career minded people. Children are an income source for many of these people.

When a child is only an income source, the child doesn't get the attention it deserves as a developing mind. Dad isn't around and mom is trying to produce the next income source. The child gets to an age where it becomes self aware and begins to realize it's only an income source, not loved or wanted. It finds comfort in the presence of other children who face the same dilemma. These people grow up to a different reality than most white/black children from married parents. They don't pursue education, just income sources. Since a black man cannot become pregnant, most of those income sources are going to be illegal; it's quick, it's easy and it's "cool". That lands them in trouble with the law.

While the white man has his white trash relative who does similar things, it's frowned upon in the white community. You rarely if ever hear bragging about doing prison time or committing crimes or having babies out of wedlock in the white community. That's because a disproportionate number of whites are not raised by their peers, but instead by their elders/parents. Elders and parents have corporate knowledge about life in general, peers have wants and misconceptions about life.

Summary: Blacks teach other blacks to fail. It's apparent even on this forum where even pretend blacks preach hatred and dissent, and loath education and success. There's a pervasive theme of "yall shouldn't put up with that, but I'm an educated black so I'll just dissent" here. Elsewhere it's just action by example, and that example is by peers, not by elders.

[DMC]

I don't think I have won anything. You are funny to me like watching the Three Stooges so I laugh. It's pretty base but oh well.

That's because you cannot address anything I've said. Posting the entire article and making a snide remark about philosophy as if you've addressed everything in the material you just posted is you thinking you've won something.

I didn't talk about the health of the kids in the OP. That was your red herring and you act like it trumps everything that was posted, yet still haven't spent one post explaining just how.

You really suck for speaking for me. You also like to tell us what your dumbed down stereotype thinks and the like. Your deluded or just trying to troll me whatever.

The OP still stands on it's own. Either address it or off. I didn't ask you to respond, but since you took it upon yourself to do so, don't pretend you even did a freshman level job at it. You suck at this, you've been trying to just shunt the topic to some genetic discussion or something about a health study from 25 years ago, and you're all over the place.

What I said in the OP is based on the numbers. The comments from the NCAAP website are easily dissected and discussed, but you prefer to whitewash over things and pretend you've made a point. You've not made a point. , you only needed to provide one sentence from the OP and disprove it. Instead you've only questioned and challenged the methodology.

And word trickery is meaningless when you are direct.

There's nothing direct in that post.

Incarceration for personal drug use is not the same as incarceration for selling drugs, yet you didn't seem to mind that bit of switching. Also, the comment saying blacks served as much time "virtually" for drug related (word trickery) offenses as whites did for violent offenses is also a trick . You'll buy it though because it agrees with the narrative you subscribe to. What's missing is the question "so do whites also serve as long for the same drug related offenses as blacks?" since it's comparing unlike things (drug offenses for blacks vs violent offenses for whites). You seem to be either willingly stupid or just dishonest. I don't know which I'd settle with were I you.

You just posted that said that black drug users were arrested at 10 times the rate of white drug users and then talked about how all black people want to do is be drug dealers. That is incredibly in my view. If you don't think it is and that I haven't won then fine that just reinforces my thoughts.

No I didn't. I said this:

• 5 times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans, yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites

See what happens when you attempt to paraphrase? You twist the word to fit your narrative.

Let's look at that statement (again):

There are more white drug users but blacks go to jail more for drug related offenses (doesn't say drug use). How do those two things even compare? You talk about normalizing, where's the honesty here?

Are you really this naive?

All this parading around like a rooster with your philosophy talk and you cannot even discern the difference between drug related crime and drug use. Why wouldn't they use the same terminology for both cases? why not say "drug users" in both cases?

I have pointed out that the NIH says that childrens health wasn't a function of race or family structure. Meaning that white, asian, mexican, etc poor people have the same problems and your racial stupidity is nonunique.

So what? Where did I ever mention children's health in the OP? Show me one example of it.

Go ahead and pull your pants down and run in circles some more.

Only so you can suck my .

[Avante]

That's because you cannot address anything I've said. Posting the entire article and making a snide remark about philosophy as if you've addressed everything in the material you just posted is you thinking you've won something.

I didn't talk about the health of the kids in the OP. That was your red herring and you act like it trumps everything that was posted, yet still haven't spent one post explaining just how.

The OP still stands on it's own. Either address it or off. I didn't ask you to respond, but since you took it upon yourself to do so, don't pretend you even did a freshman level job at it. You suck at this, you've been trying to just shunt the topic to some genetic discussion or something about a health study from 25 years ago, and you're all over the place.

What I said in the OP is based on the numbers. The comments from the NCAAP website are easily dissected and discussed, but you prefer to whitewash over things and pretend you've made a point. You've not made a point. , you only needed to provide one sentence from the OP and disprove it. Instead you've only questioned and challenged the methodology.

There's nothing direct in that post.

Incarceration for personal drug use is not the same as incarceration for selling drugs, yet you didn't seem to mind that bit of switching. Also, the comment saying blacks served as much time "virtually" for drug related (word trickery) offenses as whites did for violent offenses is also a trick . You'll buy it though because it agrees with the narrative you subscribe to. What's missing is the question "so do whites also serve as long for the same drug related offenses as blacks?" since it's comparing unlike things (drug offenses for blacks vs violent offenses for whites). You seem to be either willingly stupid or just dishonest. I don't know which I'd settle with were I you.

No I didn't. I said this:

• 5 times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans, yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites

See what happens when you attempt to paraphrase? You twist the word to fit your narrative.

Let's look at that statement (again):

There are more white drug users but blacks go to jail more for drug related offenses (doesn't say drug use). How do those two things even compare? You talk about normalizing, where's the honesty here?

Are you really this naive?

All this parading around like a rooster with your philosophy talk and you cannot even discern the difference between drug related crime and drug use. Why wouldn't they use the same terminology for both cases? why not say "drug users" in both cases?

So what? Where did I ever mention children's health in the OP? Show me one example of it.

Only so you can suck my .

All that , when all it says is..."I don't like blacks"

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And so you go for the erotic imagery demonstrate pretty obtuse ignorance and intellectual dishonesty. You must be in quite the tizzy, fatty.

You're talking about black families and how they teach each other in a condescending narrative you pulled out of your ass. Obtuse much?

It's funny because you are going back to old school tropes like marriage, drugs, and poverty. You're pretending that your harebrained characterization about the motives and intents for a group of people that you pointedly do not identify with is meaningful and that this hasn't been hashed out in better forums than this piece of . You keep calling me WC but this type of wishful thinking let's make up and assume it's true nonsense is what he does. Only difference is you talk and try to pretend I do not address you directly.

Nevermind that you are talking about families and teaching and don't understand why I am bringing up kids. Nevermind that you want it to be true that your story about black people as drug dealers explains why black people are arrested at 10 times the rate of white people. Why do this whole routine in the first place? Race trolling stupidity.