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DMC and Chumper..yall should throw in the towel
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DMC and Chumper..yall should throw in the towel
Science doesn't concern itself with cause, not in the sense religion does (which is where you're going with it) so no, when you lump all that together as a condition, it fails as a condition. I don't see the word "cause" in your description. I expect you to falsely equivocate different meaning of the word "cause" to try to show they are the same thing though, so go ahead.
Also, I am still waiting for these evidences of the existence of your god and proof of the OP. What societies failed that were run by the concepts of atheism?
I am trying to research it, but am only finding stuff on the movie "transcendence" LOL!!! I don't use google much and prefer to stick to my own knowledge base and not that of others.
Scientific principle of CAUSE and effect. If it didn't concern itself with cause, then how in the does it come up with that?
This is where theists often get confused and abandon anything resembling logic, resorting to super-defensive patronizing.
Why would God deliberately make himself impossible to understand to his own greatest creation? That makes absolutely no sense. God, by your own definition, will absolutely never make any sense.
I know it will always come down to a matter of faith and an embracing of the irrational and illogical, so it's no skin off my back.
All I have to ask a devout theist is to prove god exists and the backflips and ad hominems begin.
That is exactly correct. God won't make any sense because we are only able to observe and test within the limitations of our own physical reality. You see all the contradictions in the bible right? They just don't make sense. Thou shalt not kill, yet god kills. It doesn't make sense. You kind of getting my point?
Exactly.
So why did God make himself completely unknowable and also made himself known as a capricious, jealous, murderous ?
I will let you know if I ever figure out the answer myself. lol!
Just use Wikipedia.I am trying to research it, but am only finding stuff on the movie "transcendence" LOL!!! I don't use google much and prefer to stick to my own knowledge base and not that of others.
I thought people could edit the entries though. I can't bring myself to fully trust it, but I will take a look.
Why do you believe something exists that you have just stated you cannot ever possibly understand?
The concept of god isn't limited to Christian ones. The term "prime mover" is about as far back as theists have pushed god into the gaps currently. Some have pushed the god out of existence by saying it's no longer around and just set things in motion, always relying on crediting the same unknowable supernatural deity for something, anything.
Look at ontological and cosmological arguments. Look at Pascal's wager. Look at logical fallacies.
Why do you believe that the universe exists when you cannot possibly understand everything in the universe? There used to be belief that the world was flat. We didn't know any better and all empirical evidence pointed us to that conclusion. It turned out to be very wrong. So logically, one should question what we really know at any given time and question whether or not it is actual truth.
I choose to believe that we do not know the actual truth. The truth is simply given a name... god.
It would do you good to brush up on terms and concepts such as belief and truth. Read about epistemology. If you don't want to bother with any of it, as seems to be the case, that's your loss but you'll have plenty company.
I've addressed the flat Earthers in this thread already. Do you read any of this? You post like Mouse.
Seems he's smarter than you DMC..he's winning and tbh I think he has your number
a) In last few hundred years there was a huge scientific progress in our understanding of the world. Not exactly enough time to create a civilization. I also don't think it will be a binary situation - there will be just less and less believers.
b) You don't seem to understand how atheist Europe actually is. Eurobarometer poll from 2010, statement was "I believe there is a God".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...atheism#Europe
Countries where less than 50% answered with yes:
Czech Republic 16%
Sweden 18%
Estonia 18%
Norway (EEA, not EU) 22%
France 27%
Netherlands 28%
Denmark 28%
Iceland (EEA, not EU) 31%
Slovenia 32%
Finland 33%
Bulgaria 36%
Belgium 37%
United Kingdom 37%
Latvia 38%
Germany 44%
Austria 44%
Switzerland (EFTA) 44%
Hungary 45%
Luxembourg 46%
Lithuania 47%
This is a perfect example on how atheists can never have a successful civilization. You have to make sure that every little statement jives with every single word in the ing dictionary. It is a miracle that any of you are able to get anything done at all. You atheists crack me up.
I did read your post about flat earth. Does it change the fact that the science behind flat earth theory was wrong? It sure doesn't. Why is science capable of being wrong so difficult to accept for you atheists? Science can be wrong. It really is that simple. You reject the idea of god because there is no tangible scientific evidence that a god is possible. I reject your conclusion because you are using a method that has been wrong multiple times in the past to derive your evidence and draw your conclusion.
So you should be able to just say whatever you want and equivocate it with any other usage of the same word and the discussion should move right along?lol
Don't you hate it when people make you learn the definition of words you use?
What science? "hey, we can't see anything out there, must be flat"? Isn't that how religion works? "hey, we cannot see how the universe started, must be a god"?I did read your post about flat earth. Does it change the fact that the science behind flat earth theory was wrong? It sure doesn't. Why is science capable of being wrong so difficult to accept for you atheists? Science can be wrong. It really is that simple. You reject the idea of god because there is no tangible scientific evidence that a god is possible. I reject your conclusion because you are using a method that has been wrong multiple times in the past to derive your evidence and draw your conclusion.
Possible is irrelevant. I don't reject things because they haven't been proven to be possible. I reject things that are absurd, like the notion of a god, especially a personal god and especially from someone who balks at learning the meanings of words.
It's amusing that you try to use ignorance (flat Earth) as your leaning post yet you're supporting a several thousand year old belief system that was around when the flat Earthers existed. So you obviously think they did something right. Oh but it's spiritual... just so happens your spirit is a Western culture god spirit instead of middle East Allah or some other made up deity.
But you said this:
the only exercise I see is an exercise in imagination. If you want to keep ascribing a higher power to the supposed order and beauty etc to the universe, that's fine, but don't act like it's an exercise in logical or critical thinking.
And don't tell me to "get over it" when creationists like yourself try to push this imagination into public policy.
apparently believing in Zeus is better than being an atheist per op logic.
Truth is a word for fact or reality. Belief is simply an acceptance of truth. I do not balk at the definition of words that I already know. Perhaps a person that thinks atheism isn't based on belief should be the one looking up definitions.
How can an atheist possibly have a belief structure? It is very simple. "God does not exist" is accepted as being true. Therefore, having accepted that conclusion as truth, it has become a belief. Surprising since atheists look down on the religious because of their beliefs.
Wow... and you say my arguments don't make any sense. You just contradicted yourself.
"I don't reject things because they haven't been proven to be possible. I reject things that are absurd, like the notion of a god, especially a personal god and especially from someone who balks at learning the meanings of words."
How can you reject a notion that you claim to be absurd since the possibility of that notion exists?
Does it matter what it is called? Can we claim to know the true nature of god? No we cannot. A transcendent god can easily be everything and nothing in our physical reality.
you're not familiar with Greek or Roman mythology huh.
even then, it has nothing to do with your thread that's horribly based on false cause/ correlation = causation...
....which isn't really correlated to begin with because of so many failures of theistic civilizations.
terrible thread, terrible premise. No offense.
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