Page 7 of 37 FirstFirst ... 3456789101117 ... LastLast
Results 151 to 175 of 906
  1. #151
    my unders, my frgn whites pgardn's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Post Count
    39,469
    too much information
    You gotta feel just a tiny bit relieved.

  2. #152
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Post Count
    153,473
    You gotta feel just a tiny bit relieved.

  3. #153
    coffee is for closers Infinite_limit's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Post Count
    8,148
    I was part of an abortion at the age of 20. Best decision of my life though it all but ended my relationship (we dated for 5 yrs but never recovered from that).

    I'll always be bias on the issue because my life and every child I have from this moment, was altered by that decision. A decision I have never regretted and am fortunate to have been able to make.

  4. #154
    Cogito Ergo Sum LnGrrrR's Avatar
    My Team
    Boston Celtics
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Post Count
    22,399
    ^ waaaaayyyy too easy

  5. #155
    Veteran Wild Cobra's Avatar
    My Team
    Portland Trailblazers
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Post Count
    43,117
    you talk about mandating women who abort to get their tubes tied... but haven't mentioned a mandate to give the father of an aborted child a vasectomy
    I have advocated requiring a vasectomy for men not able to support the children they father. There would be exceptions though. But if a man nocks up a woman and unable to support a child when this happens, make him have a vasectomy so he cannot create such a burden on society again. Tubes tied for both parents if they must rely on government assistance, and were that way when the conception occurred.

  6. #156
    Veteran Wild Cobra's Avatar
    My Team
    Portland Trailblazers
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Post Count
    43,117
    you talk about mandating women who abort to get their tubes tied... but haven't mentioned a mandate to give the father of an aborted child a vasectomy
    Besides, men don't get a choice when it comes to abortion.

  7. #157
    Veteran Wild Cobra's Avatar
    My Team
    Portland Trailblazers
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Post Count
    43,117
    You gotta feel just a tiny bit relieved.
    LOL...

    My little Cobras are in their 30's.

  8. #158
    Veteran
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Post Count
    97,536
    Besides, men don't get a choice when it comes to abortion.
    My guess is the vast majority, esp the unmarried ones, totally disappear when the baby arrives and needs financial support. Male gain, female risk.

  9. #159
    right about pizzagate Blake's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Post Count
    83,646
    lol can't answer the question tries to move the goalpost
    2/10 troll effort.

    Still waiting for wild cobra to answer my question. Which was directed towards wild cobra to begin with.

  10. #160
    Savvy Veteran spurraider21's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Post Count
    100,825
    I have advocated requiring a vasectomy for men not able to support the children they father. There would be exceptions though. But if a man nocks up a woman and unable to support a child when this happens, make him have a vasectomy so he cannot create such a burden on society again. Tubes tied for both parents if they must rely on government assistance, and were that way when the conception occurred.
    Besides, men don't get a choice when it comes to abortion.
    the problem is, the vasectomy/tube tying does nothing to help the problem thats already at hand...

  11. #161
    Veteran
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Post Count
    20,699
    2/10 troll effort.
    I had you wasting time trying to google an answer, unsuccessfully I might add. Deserves at least a 5 or 6 imo.

  12. #162
    right about pizzagate Blake's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Post Count
    83,646
    I had you wasting time trying to google an answer, unsuccessfully I might add. Deserves at least a 5 or 6 imo.
    all it takes to get victory on a messageboard is declare it so why short change yourself? Give yourself 11/10 and a trophy.

  13. #163
    Obi Wan Ginobli
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Post Count
    329
    Nonsense. The US is the longest and oldest democracy in the world, and it was founded specifically as a secular government, with implicit separation of church and state, and the freedom of every person to have a moral code or no code at all, just as long as they all abide by the societal code of laws. Heck, implicitly legislating a religious moral code is strictly forbidden by the Cons ution.

    On the other hand, it's not hard at all to find ed up societies run by religious moral codes... unless stoning women is your thing, tbh...

    Plus, constant questioning and revisiting is a good thing, it means you're keeping up with the times. We invent new things, make new discoveries all the time... why wouldn't we want to adopt that knowledge?

    Now, I think it's great that religion works for some people. It's undeniable that, historically speaking, it has been a great tool for societal control and influence. But it's definitely not the only tool, or the only way.
    Nonsense to secular society on a slippery slope? It's clearly visible. And no, the laws of this country are heavily influenced by religion. Heavily. America was founded on freedom of religion, but to say the law of the land isn't tied to Christianity is ludicrous. But as our country ages and separation of Church and state become the norm, secular society will continue to lose its bearings on morality since there is no moral code. Examples, sexuality was once taboo, now legal (even Obama campaigned against it in 2011, public opinion changed massively in 5 years). More of the same will continue for other things that are considered taboo currently. Transgenderism, transracialism (didn't know this was a thing until recently), polygamy are next.

  14. #164
    Veteran
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Post Count
    97,536
    "the laws of this country are heavily influenced by religion"

    bull , unless you have hard evidence.

    (Christian) religion isn't the only, nor best, source of morals, ethics codified into law.

    Christian supremacists' fundamental bull is that their religion, Their mythical Guy, represent the only true religion.



  15. #165
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Post Count
    153,473
    Nonsense to secular society on a slippery slope? It's clearly visible. And no, the laws of this country are heavily influenced by religion. Heavily. America was founded on freedom of religion, but to say the law of the land isn't tied to Christianity is ludicrous. But as our country ages and separation of Church and state become the norm, secular society will continue to lose its bearings on morality since there is no moral code. Examples, sexuality was once taboo, now legal (even Obama campaigned against it in 2011, public opinion changed massively in 5 years). More of the same will continue for other things that are considered taboo currently. Transgenderism, transracialism (didn't know this was a thing until recently), polygamy are next.
    I guess we just disagree. There's plenty of examples where laws go directly against the Christian moral code (capital punishment has basically existed since this country was founded, abortion has been legal for half a century now, etc) and society has made it just fine. It could also be argued that what time has done is force the Church to evolve it's views and moral code on different topics due to losing credibility and general apathy (even historically speaking, there's plenty of this with the crusades, etc).

    In practice, a big part of the religious moral code is to deter (ie: if you kill, you go to , etc), and that's exactly what laws do, but without inserting the wrath of a deity in it. There's actually much more tangible consequences, like spending the next 20 years with Igor in the can. Now, it's true that for people that fear a god (in religions that have such concept), you have basically double the deter factor.

    Overall, I think people has much more fear of change and lack of ability to adapt than tangible effects on society. I mean, it's not like sexuality being taboo made teh gays go away. That's just a fallacy.

  16. #166
    Believe. mingus's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Post Count
    4,242
    I think if a woman has an abortion that doesn't stem from rape or incest her name should go in a public database on the Internet, like a pedophile. I thought think this and many other crimes (eg not paying child support) should be readily available to the public. Why are sexual deviants the only ones this happens too. I should be able to look up every crime or felony a person has committed on the Internet.

  17. #167
    Believe. mingus's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Post Count
    4,242
    I also think think anyone who has more than one abortion should involuntarily have their tubes tide. These abortions have to be caused by irresponsibility.

    Also, rape a women?

    Cut the guys off and donate to someone who needs it.

  18. #168
    Veteran Wild Cobra's Avatar
    My Team
    Portland Trailblazers
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Post Count
    43,117
    the problem is, the vasectomy/tube tying does nothing to help the problem thats already at hand...
    No. It just prevents future problems of the same.

    What would you do to fix "the problem at hand?"

  19. #169
    Savvy Veteran spurraider21's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Post Count
    100,825
    No. It just prevents future problems of the same.

    What would you do to fix "the problem at hand?"
    allow abortions

  20. #170
    Veteran Wild Cobra's Avatar
    My Team
    Portland Trailblazers
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Post Count
    43,117
    Cut the guys off and donate to someone who needs it.
    Considering our smaller head often dictates our actions, wouldn't you just be creating a new rappist?

  21. #171
    Veteran Wild Cobra's Avatar
    My Team
    Portland Trailblazers
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Post Count
    43,117
    You are morally disgusting.

    Do you also eat the fetuses?

  22. #172
    Savvy Veteran spurraider21's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Post Count
    100,825
    You are morally disgusting.
    by YOUR personal moral standards? maybe.

    Do you also eat the fetuses?
    not usually, no.

  23. #173
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,412


    Better to sell them to others to eat at a fat profit.

  24. #174
    Obi Wan Ginobli
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Post Count
    329
    I guess we just disagree. There's plenty of examples where laws go directly against the Christian moral code (capital punishment has basically existed since this country was founded, abortion has been legal for half a century now, etc) and society has made it just fine. It could also be argued that what time has done is force the Church to evolve it's views and moral code on different topics due to losing credibility and general apathy (even historically speaking, there's plenty of this with the crusades, etc).

    In practice, a big part of the religious moral code is to deter (ie: if you kill, you go to , etc), and that's exactly what laws do, but without inserting the wrath of a deity in it. There's actually much more tangible consequences, like spending the next 20 years with Igor in the can. Now, it's true that for people that fear a god (in religions that have such concept), you have basically double the deter factor.

    Overall, I think people has much more fear of change and lack of ability to adapt than tangible effects on society. I mean, it's not like sexuality being taboo made teh gays go away. That's just a fallacy.
    That's exactly my point, slowly laws stray farther away from a Biblical moral code; hence; me claiming a slippery slope. I am not saying only follow a Biblical moral code, I am just saying that is what most our countries laws were founded upon. At least in Christianity, laws are not meant to deter. You can kill and go to heaven. But you must repent and be born again as Bible would say.

    Either way, good talking with you.

  25. #175
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Post Count
    153,473
    That's exactly my point, slowly laws stray farther away from a Biblical moral code; hence; me claiming a slippery slope. I am not saying only follow a Biblical moral code, I am just saying that is what most our countries laws were founded upon. At least in Christianity, laws are not meant to deter. You can kill and go to heaven. But you must repent and be born again as Bible would say.
    ...the part left unsaid there would be "if you don't, you're going to ", and would be the place you need to fear to go. Otherwise, there's no incentive to repent and follow the code.

    I suppose if you enjoy living under a Biblical moral code then that's probably enjoyable, and good for you. If you don't, it probably sucks. For atheists probably sucks even more, as it's the only and short life they figure to have.

    Plus if you don't believe in reincarnation, you only have to care about it for as long as you figure to live. That's not too long, and odds are very good that society will function just fine at least until then.

    Either way, good talking with you.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •