Reports of Active Shooter at Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood Facility

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brainless surgeon babbles on

Ben Carson: 'Both Sides' To Blame For Abortion Rhetoric

Ben Carson pushed back yesterday on claims that anti-abortion rhetoric may have played a role in the shooting at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, insisting in an interview with Martha Raddatz that “there’s a lot of extremism coming from all areas” and divisive rhetoric “comes from both sides.” “There is no saint here in this equation,” he said.

While it is typical for a politician to suggest that “both sides” are to blame for toxic rhetoric and political dysfunction, Carson may want to look back on his own record of statements about Planned Parenthood.

Carson cited a discredited right-wing smear to claim that Planned Parenthood was created “to eliminate black people.”

He also claimed that conservatives need “to help women understand that they are being manipulated” by Planned Parenthood, arguing that the organization must be defunded.

Carson, who once claimed that Obamacare “is slavery in a way,” similarly stated at an anti-chioce fundraiser that abortion providers are no different than slave-owners:

The former neurosurgeon noted that he change his mind about abortion after realizing it was like “slavery.”

“I was thinking about slavery and I was thinking about the abolitionists, and I said, what if the abolitionists had said, ‘I don’t believe in slavery but anybody else can do whatever they want’?” Carson declared. “Where would we be today?”

“Slavery is a moral issue and so is abortion,” he insisted. “It’s a moral issue that we’re dealing with.”

He made the same case in an NBC interview: “During slavery — and I know that's one of those words you're not supposed to say, but I'm saying it — during slavery, a lot of the slave owners thought that they had the right to do whatever they wanted to that slave, anything that they chose to do. And what if the abolitionists had said: 'You know, I don't believe in slavery. I think it's wrong, but you guys do whatever you want to do'? Where would we be?”

But remember, both sides are extreme!

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ben-carson-both-sides-blame-abortion-rhetoric



Yes, we hear the same inanities, same extremism from the pro-choice side!

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Ted Cruz Hailed Activist Who Wants Abortion Providers Executed Eight Days Before Planned Parenthood Shooting

Troy Newman, the head of Operation Rescue, has long been known as one of the most radical anti-choice activists in the country, saying that a just government would execute abortion providersand organizing efforts to harass abortion providers and their patients.

But Ted Cruz apparently saw his extremism as a boon, releasing a statement on November 19th touting Newman’s endorsement of his presidential campaign and declaring that America needs more “leaders like Troy Newman.”

In his statement, Cruz made clear that he was touting Newman’s endorsement because of the activist’s role in creating the hoax videos smearing Planned Parenthood for selling “baby parts” for profits.

Following the shooting at a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic on Friday, the shooter reportedly told authorities “no more baby parts” after he was apprehended.

Newman has not only opined on the governments duty of “executing convicted murderers, including abortionists, for their crimes in order to expunge bloodguilt from the land and people,” but once even claimed that the murderer of an abortion doctor and his bodyguard was a “political prisoner” and victim of “judicial tyranny,” since he was deprived of his “right to present a defense that claimed that the killing of the abortionist was necessary to save the lives of the pre-born babies that were scheduled to be killed by abortion that day.”

Newman coauthored his book calling for the execution of abortion providers and the statement defending the anti-abortion terrorist with his Operation Rescue colleague Cheryl Sullenger, who served “time in jail for conspiring to bomb a California abortion clinic in the 1980s” but who has since renounced violence.

Newman denounced the Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado Springs, but his extremist rhetoric towards abortion providers speaks for itself.

For example, “Newman has claimed that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and AIDS were both warnings from God about legal abortion in America and attributed a drought in California to the state’s liberal abortion laws, insisting that ‘weather patterns’ and economic instability are connected to legal abortion.”

Another activist whose endorsement Cruz’s campaign recently touted, Flip Benham,was convicted of stalking an abortion provider “after passing out hundreds of ‘wanted’ posters with the physician’s name and photo on it.”

As Rachel Maddow explained in a recent program, Cruz must explain why he would hail an activist like Newman, a point that speaks volumes following last week’s Planned Parenthood attack.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ted-cruz-hailed-activist-who-wants-abortion-providers-executed-eight-days-planned-parenthood

[ChumpDumper]

Well I for one, will not take any chances.

We must stop all migration from North Carolina.

I know Governor Abbott will do the right thing.

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Will Congress Finally Drop Its Crusade Against Planned Parenthood?

there are currently five separate congressional committees dedicated to investigating Planned Parenthood, including a special panel that has drawn direct comparisons to the panel that spent millions of taxpayer dollars investigating Benghazi.

So far, these investigations haven’t turned up any credible evidence that Planned Parenthood has actually broken any laws.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/11/30/3726320/planned-parenthood-congress-committees/

Benghazi !

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Here's What It's Like to Work at Planned Parenthood

I worked at a #PlannedParenthood clinic in Kansas for 3 years. My coworkers & I were subjected to the following acts of terrorism:

• Gasoline was poured under our back door & ignited 4 times.
• Twice while the clinic was occupied, causing patients to be evacuated.
• Butyric acid (used as a stink bomb) was poured under our doors & into ventilation system so many times I lost count. Clinic evacuated.
• 2 cherry bombs were left on our doorstep after hours, causing damage & clinic closure. Imagine what it's like going to work after that.
• We received hundreds of phone calls, threatening to torch our clinic & to kill the "murdering s" who worked there.
• 3 times someone drove by at night & shot out our windows. Picketers stood on the sidewalk & harassed employees as we swept up broken glass.

Our clinic didn't perform abortions.

We did well woman exams, pregnancy tests, dispensed birth control, & treated STIs.

Our clinic offered free & low cost services in a low income neighborhood, but every day the "pro-life" movement tried to frighten us.

The goal was to make us afraid to come to work, to make us quit, to make us close the clinic. That's terrorism. That's how terrorism works.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...ned-parenthood

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Anti-abortion REPUG head of Homeland Security committee: Colorado shooting was not ‘domestic terrorism’




“It’s a tragedy. It’s, I think, a mental health crisis,” said McCaul, adding, “I don’t think it would fall under quite the definition of domestic terrorism, although I’ll leave that to the Justice Department to make that determination.”

McCaul, whose ambivalence towards abortion has included opposing federal funding of Planned Parenthood and voting against allowing human embryonic stem cells to be used in research, hasn’t always been so sanguine about terrorism in the U.S.

Previously the Texas lawmaker has warned of “lone wolf” attacks in the U.S., singling out ISIS and saying Americans could be “radicalized” by what they can access on the Internet.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/anti...20Raw%20Story)

[Quetzal-X]

Christian White Supremist Terrorism

*since 1492

[mingus]

You Lie, false equivalence. The entire GOP is nothing now but a HATE GROUP, spreading fear, paranoia, hate with every ing pronouncement, each based on LIES.

Dems use the same tactics. The problem with the false equivalency argument is it draws a thin/blurry and subjective line between what is acceptable inflammatory rhetoric and what isn't. Instead of picking and choosing what is and isn't acceptable rhetoric based entirely on one's opinion, why not just go after the entire fear-mongering/pandering system that both these parties play?

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Dems use the same tactics.

evidence?

[Spurminator]

Thank God boutons finally decided to weigh in, I was so hoping to get his/her take.

[pgardn]

You're quite the psychologist

Thank you.

Here are my credentials as posted earlier:


Animal cruelty, looking in neighbors windows, mumbling to neighbors incoherently, inability to live next to people despite looking in windows, mumbling about baby parts

I will say he cracked as an early guess. I will leave the legal definition of sane out of it and call him crazy. I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist but yeah...
What I will not do is imply he is of the same mental state as the bombers/shooters in Paris. This was implied earlier in the thread and it's just not the same type of persons or events at all. It really is not.

So I will go with crazy. They will attempt to try him as sane you can be sure of that.

[mingus]

evidence?

I already named some in an earlier post.

The Left paints an extremely unfair picture of Repubs as mouth-breathing, gun-toting, Confederate flag-toting, Bible-thumping, phobic, anti-women, anti-poor, anti-minority, anti-immigrant racists. Which to me is as dangerously distorted a picture of reality as anything the Right has done to Dems.

But I'm not going to get into which is "worse", because it's a stupid. Both uphold a system that based on smearing & mudslinging.

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Fox News’ sick OB-GYN fantasy: Now they really want Planned Parenthood patients and doctors to pack heat for protection


http://www.salon.com/2015/12/01/fox_...or_protection/

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NRA Visits Colorado Police Evidence Room To Check Up On Rifle Used In Planned Parenthood Shooting




COLORADO SPRINGS, CO—After learning that the gun had been involved in a violent attack that left three dead, National Rifle Association representatives reportedly visited the Colorado Springs Police Department evidence room Monday to check up on the semi-automatic rifle used in Friday’s Planned Parenthood shooting.

“It’s a little shaken up, but it should be okay—thank God,” said NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre, who appeared visibly distressed while kneeling down next to the assault-style rifle and gently placing his hand on the stock.

“I’ve just been worried sick since I heard about the incident.

It looks like it was dropped pretty hard, and it’s barely got any bullets left, but at least it’s resting safely now.

I might just sleep here tonight to keep an eye on it.”

LaPierre told reporters that he would do everything he could to help the rifle return home and get back working again soon.

http://www.theonion.com/article/nra-...heck-rif-51924

[baseline bum]

^ The Onion is awesome

[pgardn]

Sanity Annex with the oiled rags.

[russellgoat]

A bundle of cells killed in a place where other bundles of cells are usually killed. Nothing to see here...

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Larry Wilmore’s gutsiest moment yet: Pins Planned Parenthood shooter’s hate squarely on Fox News

"No more baby parts"? Sounds just like "Fox and Friends" -- and Wilmore proves it with clip after clip




http://www.salon.com/2015/12/01/larr...y_on_fox_news/

[pgardn]

The baby parts stuff was totally irresponsible IMO. But they have every right to complain about Planned Parenthood without being labeled as fueling the deep desires of every anti choice, antiabortion zealot. When these claims are made haphazardly, then any disagreements on almost any subject can be linked to some zealot.

The passion in this debate runs deeper because there really are people that think humans are being killed. You have to understand this even if you know the mother's rights are possibly trampled, and the killing extends to rape, incest and life of the mother via complications. There are inconsistencies. People are passionate about this.

Now there are also people passionate about the death penalty. We might ask why these opponents are not attacking State Facilities where the penalty is being carried out. But immediately Blaming discussion of issues is dangerous IMO. Pointing out intentionally exacerbating violent behavior is not. Beware if you are disingenuously linking speech to a behavior.

Boots you get an automatic exemption as a zealot. You can't be stopped, either can Cluttered Notions. This is a law of the Universe...Allegedly...

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Boots you get an automatic exemption as a zealot.

addle-brained, GFY

abortion is VRWC/Repug campaigning topic to sucker in single issue voters (many of whom have had abortions) so they can screw them economically.

[Winehole23]

Sanity Annex with the oiled rags.

As in the Larry Wilmore bit (and as with the anti-Muslim hysteria post 9/11/01) there's an argument to be made that the GOP and their dutiful media scribes passed out oiled rags to a cranky and gullible public, with deplorable, highly predictable results.

Absence of causality isn't absence of blame. Rhetorical recklessness and obliviousness to truth can have fatal consequences. Larry Wilmore is right to point a finger at Fox News.

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Krazy Kruz, at some event about a murdered cop, said there was a direct line from the dead cop to Obama's words. iow, Obama murdered the cop.

HOW ING EVER

Kruz says there is no connection between (CO) PP shoot 'em ups and extremely inflammatory words by Kruz and other anti-women LYING demagogues, haters, Christian Taliban.

btw, Kruz is attacking Rubio, Kruz planning on picking up Donny T's and brain-damaged's extremist when those two fade away.

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It’s not about mental illness: The big lie that always follows mass shootings by white males


Blaming "mental illness" is a cop-out -- and one that lets us avoid talking about race, guns, hatred and terrorism




We do have statistics showing that the vast majority of people who commit acts of violence do not have a diagnosis of mental illness and, conversely, people who have mental illness are far more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators.

But the media insists on trotting out “mental illness” and blaring out that phrase nonstop in the wake of any mass killing. I had to grit my teeth every time I personally debated someone defaulting to the mindless mantra of “The real issue is mental illness” over the Isla Vista shootings.

“The real issue is mental illness” is a goddamn cop-out. I almost never hear it from actual mental health professionals, or advocates working in the mental health sphere, or anyone who actually has any kind of informed opinion on mental health or serious policy proposals for how to improve our treatment of the mentally ill in this country.

What I hear from people who bleat on about “The real issue is mental illness,” when pressed for specific suggestions on how to deal with said “real issue,” is terrifying nonsense designed to throw the mentally ill under the bus. ****** Rodger’s parents should’ve been able to force risperidone down his throat. Seung-Hui Cho should’ve been forcibly ins utionalized. Anyone with a mental illness diagnosis should surrender all of their cons utional rights, right now, rather than at all compromise the right to bear arms of self-declared sane people.

What’s interesting is to watch who the mentally ill people are being thrown under the bus to defend. In the wake of Sandy Hook, the NRA tells us that creating a national registry of firearms owners would be giving the government dangerously unchecked tyrannical power, but a national registry of the mentally ill would not — even though a “sane” person holding a gun is intrinsically more dangerous than a “crazy” person, no matter how crazy, without a gun.

We’ve successfully created a world so topsy-turvy that seeking medical help for depression or anxiety is apparently stronger evidence of violent tendencies than going out and purchasing a weapon whose only purpose is committing acts of violence. We’ve got a narrative going where doing the former is something we’re OK with stigmatizing but not the latter. God bless America.

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/its_...y_white_males/

infallible signal: if NRA says something, like scapegoating mentally ill for mass murders, the OPPOSITE is true, almost no mass murders are by mentally ill, most mentally ill aren't even prone to any violence, but mass murders are actually sane white men with guns.

[DarrinS]

Lol, Salon

[Trill Clinton]

It’s not about mental illness: The big lie that always follows mass shootings by white males


Blaming "mental illness" is a cop-out -- and one that lets us avoid talking about race, guns, hatred and terrorism




We do have statistics showing that the vast majority of people who commit acts of violence do not have a diagnosis of mental illness and, conversely, people who have mental illness are far more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators.

But the media insists on trotting out “mental illness” and blaring out that phrase nonstop in the wake of any mass killing. I had to grit my teeth every time I personally debated someone defaulting to the mindless mantra of “The real issue is mental illness” over the Isla Vista shootings.

“The real issue is mental illness” is a goddamn cop-out. I almost never hear it from actual mental health professionals, or advocates working in the mental health sphere, or anyone who actually has any kind of informed opinion on mental health or serious policy proposals for how to improve our treatment of the mentally ill in this country.

What I hear from people who bleat on about “The real issue is mental illness,” when pressed for specific suggestions on how to deal with said “real issue,” is terrifying nonsense designed to throw the mentally ill under the bus. ****** Rodger’s parents should’ve been able to force risperidone down his throat. Seung-Hui Cho should’ve been forcibly ins utionalized. Anyone with a mental illness diagnosis should surrender all of their cons utional rights, right now, rather than at all compromise the right to bear arms of self-declared sane people.

What’s interesting is to watch who the mentally ill people are being thrown under the bus to defend. In the wake of Sandy Hook, the NRA tells us that creating a national registry of firearms owners would be giving the government dangerously unchecked tyrannical power, but a national registry of the mentally ill would not — even though a “sane” person holding a gun is intrinsically more dangerous than a “crazy” person, no matter how crazy, without a gun.

We’ve successfully created a world so topsy-turvy that seeking medical help for depression or anxiety is apparently stronger evidence of violent tendencies than going out and purchasing a weapon whose only purpose is committing acts of violence. We’ve got a narrative going where doing the former is something we’re OK with stigmatizing but not the latter. God bless America.

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/its_...y_white_males/

infallible signal: if NRA says something, like scapegoating mentally ill for mass murders, the OPPOSITE is true, almost no mass murders are by mentally ill, most mentally ill aren't even prone to any violence, but mass murders are actually sane white men with guns.

this is true.