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    It's not SA. It's Jerry Jones.

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    It sure seems that way....along with Jerry Jones.....and possibly you, probably becuase you are from Houston and just dislike San Antonio for whatever reason.
    EVERYONE IS OUT TO GET YOU!

    Idiot.

    I am from SA. I moved here because of a job after college. Furthermore, I was born in New Orleans and the Saints have ALWAYS been my football team. My grandfather had season tickets every year from their first year until last year - I went to their last game in the Superdome when I was in NO for his funeral.

    So there is NOTHING I would want more than my favorite team either staying in NO or going to SA. Those are my two cities. Sorry to be a realist, but having all the medical schools in the world wont bring the NFL to SA.

    Can we give first class TV coverage?
    Sorry, but not really. They want bigger TV markets, not smaller.

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    EVERYONE IS OUT TO GET YOU!

    Idiot.

    I am from SA. I moved here because of a job after college. Furthermore, I was born in New Orleans and the Saints have ALWAYS been my football team. My grandfather had season tickets every year from their first year until last year - I went to their last game in the Superdome when I was in NO for his funeral.

    So there is NOTHING I would want more than my favorite team either staying in NO or going to SA. Those are my two cities. Sorry to be a realist, but having all the medical schools in the world wont bring the NFL to SA.


    Sorry, but not really. They want bigger TV markets, not smaller.
    You are from SA? How long ago was this? We are much bigger than say 20 yrs ago.....even 10 yrs ago. We are probably a bigger market than Jacksonville or NO. So you are saying we will never get a team? what happens if the Packers were to somehow leave (I know it is a longshot)? we are much bigger than Green Bay, the NFL would be moving up if it were to move the team to SA.

    Yes it is Jerry Jones and Tagliabue that just don't trust San Antonio for whatever reason.

    Jones wants to keep his $$$$ from San Antonio for the constantly mediocre Cowboys....I still say if he fielded a decent team he would not have to really worry about that.

    The Texans stink....I see nothing that makes me think that their team is going to improve any time soon.

    Tags doesn't care what the Saints want...the organization prefers to play here over Baton Rouge for their home games for the immediate future. The Dome was available, the city bent over backwards to accomodate the Saints for the entire season. They postponed a few conventions to do this. The NFL scoffed at this. It would have been more sensible to do this, give them a level playing field and some sense of home field. And yes...the USFL lawsuit is in the back of his mind, wether he or anyone else says so or not.
    NO did not fill the Superdome as well as you think. Stadium size has nothing to do with it either. The RCA dome only seats 60,272, the Dome seats 65,000 for football.

    Benson does not want the Saints in LA. Tags has been implying differently.

    You still don't want to acknowledge that you stated that you said population decided that Jacksonville got a team over the others I mentioned. You said nothing about who backs what team. We had a stadium built and McCombs put up the $200,000 expansion fee.

    someone mentioned Las Vegas.....I think that won't happen because of the gambling.

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    This just in, SA added a retail development. NFL, here we come!

    Seriously, where the is the city going to come up with $600+ mil for a new stadium? Lay off your pipe dreams about the Alamodome being upgraded. A new stadium is going to be required and this one isn't likely to be financed by a tourist tax.

    Except in Chamber of Commerce's wet dreams, Los Angeles is clearly a more preferable destination to move a franchise in the NFL's estimation. Tom Benson may be in love with San Antonio, but when someone shows up with a $1+ billion exit for him with the plan being to move to LA, you can forget about all the great growth trumpeted by the San Antoniohomer.
    A new Stadium? It has been said many times local officials all that is needed is a few upgrades to the Dome...a few Skyboxes to be more precise and some other superficial improvements. It won't cost anywhere near $600mil.

    Besides even the newest field Soldier Field II in chicago opened in 2003 only costed 365mil nfl stadiums

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    Soldier Field went under a huge renovation in 00-01. The Bears played home games for one season at UI in Champaign, which is more than two hours south of Chicago.

    The Colts just signed a deal for a larger stadium just a few days ago.

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    Even the newest stadiums don't cost that much. Reliant (texans) was omly $325mil

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    A new Stadium? It has been said many times local officials all that is needed is a few upgrades to the Dome...a few Skyboxes to be more precise and some other superficial improvements. It won't cost anywhere near $600mil.

    Besides even the newest field Soldier Field II in chicago opened in 2003 only costed 365mil nfl stadiums
    Of course local officials are going to say that the Dome only requires upgrades. Do you think that if they came out right now and said we'd have to build a new facility to even have a shot that the people would go for it.

    I actually think a new facility along I-35 would be the best shot, but that's a pipe dream that sits right behind SA ponying up for a new stadium.

    San Antonio hasn't even sold out the games yet. If the people from Austin, S. Texas and Mexico are clamoring that much for football, then they're not showing it too much yet.

    The Dome is a temporary solution.

    The NFL wants a team in Los Angeles, which is a vastly more profitable situation for them than a team in SA.

    IIRC, Texas Stadium had more luxury boxes when it was first built than the Dome did. Just imagine the exact count of the new stadium for the Cowboys.

    Oh, and the "constantly-mediocre" Cowboys...

    Super Bowl V
    Super Bowl VI
    Super Bowl X
    Super Bowl XII
    Super Bowl XIII
    Super Bowl XXVII
    Super Bowl XXVIII
    Super Bowl XXX

    Nearly every other team...

    Not even close.

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    Even the newest stadiums don't cost that much. Reliant (texans) was omly $325mil

    No, it was like $450 million. I lived in Arlington last year and the Cowboys stadium is projected to cost $500 million, and all the shiny flyers I got kept saying that after adjustments for inflation, the new Cowboys stadium would have almost double the amenities of Reliant at virtually the same price.

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    Oh, and the "constantly-mediocre" Cowboys...

    Super Bowl V
    Super Bowl VI
    Super Bowl X
    Super Bowl XII
    Super Bowl XIII
    Super Bowl XXVII
    Super Bowl XXVIII
    Super Bowl XXX

    Nearly every other team...

    Not even close.
    For the last ten years they have been totally inconsistent. They had a great thing going in the early 90's and Jerry's ego helped bring that down very early. He forces Jimmy Johnson to leave and brings in Switzer, Campo, Gailey, and Parcells all because of his ego thinking he knows what is best for the team on the field.

    Of course local officials are going to say that the Dome only requires upgrades.
    Can you tell me where people say we need more? It certainly will be much less that $600mil.

    You have no idea if SA can support a local team unless there is a local team to support. I know of many Cowboy fans who say they would buy Saints (or any expansion team that is local) tickets in an instant. Unless given the chance it is all speculation.

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    You have no idea if SA can support a local team unless there is a local team to support. I know of many Cowboy fans who say they would buy Saints (or any expansion team that is local) tickets in an instant. Unless given the chance it is all speculation.
    From the NFL's persective, how many new viewers are you creating? Next to none.

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    You are from SA? How long ago was this? We are much bigger than say 20 yrs ago.....even 10 yrs ago.
    Lived in SA from 1986-1998. Parents and sister still live there and I visit many times a year and still go to 4-5 Spurs games a year.

    We are probably a bigger market than Jacksonville or NO.
    The NFL isnt comparing SA to current locations of teams. They are looking at POSSIBLE locations for teams.

    Why is it so ing hard for you to understand that LA is infinately more appealing to the NFL than SA?

    So you are saying we will never get a team?
    Not any time soon, unless Benson pulls off a miracle. If the 4th largest city in the nation had to pay a $700mm ransom to get the team, SA is way down the list.

    Yes it is Jerry Jones and Tagliabue that just don't trust San Antonio for whatever reason.
    If you put tin foil over your head, they cant read your thoughts.

    Tags doesn't care what the Saints want
    His job is to look out for the betterment of the league. Moving the Saints from NO to LA is better for the league than moving them from NO to SA.

    the organization prefers to play here over Baton Rouge for their home games for the immediate future.
    Which has no bearing on distant future.

    The Dome was available, the city bent over backwards to accomodate the Saints for the entire season.
    The city didnt bend over backwards, they were foaming at the mouth at the prospect of having an NFL team and would do anything they could to make it happen.

    And yes...the USFL lawsuit is in the back of his mind, wether he or anyone else says so or not.
    Distant memory. Why do you assume he is such a vindictive guy?
    He allowed a team to move to Tennessee (Showboats), an expansion team in Houston (Gamblers), a team to Jacksonville (Bulls), a team to move to Arizona (Wranglers, Outlaws), a team to move to Baltimore (Stars) and allowed a team to move back to Oakland (Invaders). Clearly he is punishing each and every USFL city.

    Your idiotic ramblings about a hate for SA because of the USFL are just unfounded.

    And yes...the USFL lawsuit is in the back of his mind, wether he or anyone else says so or not.
    That $3.00 award really crushed the NFL.

    NO did not fill the Superdome as well as you think.
    How many Saints games have you been to in the Superdome? My family had season tickets from 1967 until 2004. 4 tickets, 40 yard line, second deck 5th row.

    You still don't want to acknowledge that you stated that you said population decided that Jacksonville got a team over the others I mentioned. You said nothing about who backs what team. We had a stadium built and McCombs put up the $200,000 expansion fee.
    Population is a very important factor in why the NFL chooses a city. My posts have clearly shown that there is more that goes into it besides population. I even detailed a lot of the things they look for, including TV Market and sizeable companies to support the team.

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    As for the cost of Reliant Stadium, a cursory googling finds:

    >24 June, 2002 - The Houston Chronicle reports that the stadium's price tag will increase from $367,000,000.00 to $449,000,000.00 to cover the cost of extra restrooms, more parking, landscaping, and additional concession areas.
    source

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    Also, I'd like to add that Reliant Stadium is hot as when you are sitting in the sun, 5 rows from the field and the roof is open with the temp on the field at 120 degrees F, as it was last weekend. Otherwise it's an awesome facility.

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    Only 38 luxury boxes in the alamo dome is pretty weak.

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    What it comes down to is whether or not Benson wants to leave a load of $ on the table in the name of civic pride, as well as to fight his fellow owners. Not having a team in the US's 2nd largest media market, let alone two, is indeed an embarassment to the league and an opportunity lost.

    In order for SA to land a team, you have to find someone willing to locate a team here for altruistic reasons and you'd have to believe that the city/county will approve the most expensive public project ever in the county for a football team. Some of you have a jaded view of the voters of San Antonio de Bexar.

    Remember the fuss when those voters were asked to come up with like $130 mil over 30 years to fund the SBC Center...and that was with someone else picking up the tab through a tourist tax. , I recall some activists or whatever seriously arguing that the Freeman Coliseum was a suitable facility for the Spurs to move into. The Spurs had to spend $3 to 5 mil to fund their pro-arena campaign, they had the Spurs' coming off their 1st le, and the margin of victory couldn't break 10%.

    If Henry C wasn't JC to some parts of San Antonio de Bexar the Alamodome would never have been approved. Plenty of people still about that in the city.

    The Alamodome is not old enough or decrepit enough in the minds of the electorate of San Antonio de Bexar to justify the public funding of a new stadium.

    As much as some of you love to pimp San Antonio, there are a ton of people in the city with a backwards ass mentality. And the city overall is one of the poorest in the US for its size. It is not an attractive media market. One pro franchise is about right for the city.

    And, again, SA is not an attractive market when compared to Los Angeles.
    Last edited by Marcus Bryant; 09-21-2005 at 11:05 AM.

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    Jones wants to keep his $$$$ from San Antonio for the constantly mediocre Cowboys....I still say if he fielded a decent team he would not have to really worry about that.
    They were in the playoffs two years ago. Careful...your bias is showing. :p

    If anyone thinks that Jerry Jones and not Tagliabue is pulling the strings, you are nuts.

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    NFL czar labels S.A. "small market"
    Web Posted: 09/20/2005 12:25 PM CDT

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    NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue has an opinion on the issue of San Antonio’s viability as an NFL city. Two words. “Small market.”

    In an interview with the New Orleans Times-Picayune published today, Tagliabue rejected the idea that San Antonio’s support for the displaced New Orleans Saints represents a chance for the city to prove its NFL worth. He inferred San Antonio isn’t capable of providing adequate support for an NFL team.

    Responding to a question specifically about San Antonio’s qualifications, Tagliabue said the NFL has no plans to move “any teams into small markets.”

    “We’re going to be moving up in market size, not down or flat,” Tagliabue said.

    Tagliabue was blunt in his assessment of New Orleans’ chances, in the wake of the Hurricane Katrina disaster, to hold on to the Saints. He said the league has all but ruled out the possibility the Saints will be able to play in New Orleans in 2006.

    He said the league’s initial plan for 2006 is to play all eight Saints home games at LSU’s Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge, La., although he said logistics problems could prevent that. He also reiterated the league’s goal of placing a franchise in Los Angeles, which is currently without an NFL team.

    Tagliabue said the NFL “is going to do everything possible to make sure there’s a New Orleans Saints. But people larger than us and ins utions larger than us are going to have to succeed in making sure there is a robust, healthy New Orleans, you know, with fans and businesses and all the things hope a city can have.”

    The Saints, who have relocated their training headquarters to the San Antonio, will play three of their scheduled 2005 home games in Alamodome. The Oct. 2 game between the Saints and the Buffalo Bills will be the first NFL regular-season contest ever played in the Alamo City.

    Ticket sales for the three games have been brisk.

    "We are going to prove him wrong," Christian Archer, special assistant to Mayor Phil Hardberger, said today. Tagliabue, who declined an interview request from the Express-News, was asked in the Times-Picayune interview if San Antonio is “dangerous territory” because local leaders have billed the three Alamodome games as an opportunity for the city to show it can support an NFL team.

    Tagliabue alluded to comments from former mayor Henry Cisneros.

    “They have got to be clear in what their motives are,” Tagliabue said of San Antonio civic leaders. “To be helpful in the contest of a national tragedy that grows out of an unprecedented disaster. And their motive is not to steal someone else’s team. He (Cisneros) said that.”

    With regard to the city’s first-day sales of 50,000 tickets for the Saints games, Tagliabue was asked: “Might this turn into an opportunity for that city to prove that they should be in the mix?”

    “Ever since we approved the move of the Raiders and the Rams, I’ve been saying that our goal is to get a team back to L.A., either through expansion or whatever, and we’re not going to be moving any teams into small markets,” Tagliabue said.

    “We’re going to be moving up in market size, not either down or flat. That’s our goal. So that’s been my mindset. We’ve had enough teams move from large markets to small markets. So if … any teams are relocated in the future, the objective is going to be to concentrate them — put it this way — in markets that can really support them.”

    Tags is saying the the television market is too small. Thus the revenue from advertising would be diminished and the nfl will not be able to line it's pockets the way they want to. They don't want to add teams that they have to carry, they want to add teams to markets that INCREASE the cash flow. The only thing San Antonio Peeps can do is Sell out the mutha as and Lace Tom Bensons pockets so that he goes to the table and Demands that the NFL allow him to move his team here. This will fall on Hardberger as well to make sure the city comes to the table to HELP upgrade the dome and to make sure Benson gets a uva deal when he moves in...including concessions and such. Local and statewide companies will need to jump on board like HEB, Taco Cabana, Valero, etc etc to help alleviate the NFL's concerns. It can be done. Lets hope the Powers that Be Get It Done! San Antonio Saints...coming soon.

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    They need to make a bunch of those square signs so that we can hand them out in the doom.. then on que turnh them over..

    And have it say like "Small Market this "... with about 10,000 people holding the
    sign message up.

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    only 10,000 holding up the signs? that's no good...

    we'd need 65,000 to prove our point, and you don't ever want to bite the hand you want to feed you, but i like your idea...

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    As opposed to the 9.99 million who watch a NFL game now. Adding a 3rd NFL franchise in Texas to get more Texans to watch football isn't an attractive proposition. Why? Because those Texans are already watching football.
    Wow I just now realized... Jerry Jones IS a Spurstalk lurker...

    o Mr Jones... we appreciate you stopping buy the Spurs forum.

    Have a nice day...

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    it's a good point though...sanantonio supports two markets right now...the cowboys and texans...a third team would further dilute the support...but that's stupid...cowboy fans (the real ones) will always watch their team...texans fans from SA are new, so those could switch and that is a valid argument, but dayum, houston is way bigger than satown...they should be able to support their own dam team on their own...

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    I've heard that San Antonio has a one in a million shot of getting an NFL franchise....so keep your fingers crossed.

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    so your saying theres a chance...


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    If you put a franchise in SA/Austin are you really going to convince that many more Texans to watch NFL football or Texans to watch more football? Even before you get into the relative media market size of LA v. SA, those are the basic questions. We all know the answers.

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    If you put a franchise in SA/Austin are you really going to convince that many more Texans to watch NFL football or Texans to watch more football? Even before you get into the relative media market size of LA v. SA, those are the basic questions. We all know the answers.

    i see your point MB, but you have to think outside the box. YES you can convince many more Texans to watch the new San Antonio Saints. You know how? By putting a winning product on the field, by keeping with the hardworking, no nonsense image that the Spurs have already established for this city, and IF Possible, by drafting, signing Quality Hispanic and Latino Players, when they fit, to contribute to the teams sucess. Watch and see how many people in Texas and THROUGHOUT AMERICA jump on the saints bandwagon, not to mention the latin population, illegal or not, that would watch as well. It's up to the people here now to show Benson the money and fan support, and the rest will take care of itself...

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