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    Ezeli's knees might be toast, dude hasn't played a minute this season & he has been out for extended period every season since his rookie year. That's probably why nobody wanted to touch him this past summer.



    Even if he's a better fit, I'm not sure that Bogut is going to move the needle. The PnR defense is still going to be ty & teams are going to pack the paint if Porker/Bogut are together on the floor, considering that would be a good chunk of their minutes the offense is going to suffer. The net rating isn't going to change much unless Patty is starting & getting illegal screens from Bogut who would also watch his back on defense.

    I never said it was a move that was going to move the needle. At least it's a better fit for the short term and even better is that it's an expiring.

    Wish the Spurs never went the Gasol route, it just prolonged the inevitable. There was other moves that could have been made with the money that would have put the Spurs in a better spot short term for this year and long term for next few seasons.

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    You know I'd be all over that in a heartbeat.
    Absolutely! Unfortunately, Portland would just laugh at the idea.

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    I never said it was a move that was going to move the needle. At least it's a better fit for the short term and even better is that it's an expiring.
    Bogut is injury prone & is averaging less than 20 minutes. The team would also lack anything resembling a 3rd scorer & struggle mightily if Softridge is injured/resting.

    Doesn't make much sense to trade for a defensive center when the guard play is atrocious & Dedmon is on the roster. Warriors were the perfect for for Bogut b/c they had two scoring guards who needed illegal screens & had Draymond cover the PnRs. Even then the Warriors were at their best w/ him on the bench.

    Wish the Spurs never went the Gasol route, it just prolonged the inevitable. There was other moves that could have been made with the money that would have put the Spurs in a better spot short term for this year and long term for next few seasons.
    Pau would come in handy if Softridge is moved much like Kanter is expendable but has come in handy for OKC. If Ibaka can fetch Oladipo+lotto pick then Softridge should be able to fetch Jrue+lotto pick.
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    Most Spurs wins since 2013 have been collective efforts and Parker wasn't looking washed in a playoffs game is a plus...But Kawhi scored 14 points in the 4th quarter of game 3.

    He took over that game with his offense and his crucial FTs...
    Exactly.

    Even if I were to concede, that would be one game. A better playoff resume as the best player on the team is required before he's anointed the "second best player in the world".


    Softridge went off against Terrance Jones then shot below 40% in 3 of the last 4 games including 3-12 for 8 points in Gm 5.
    You can make excuses all you want, the bottom line is, Aldridge, as the best player of a team, has a playoff series win against a favored opponent, thanks in large part to him dominating the first 2 games.

    Leonard, as the best player of a team, has lost 2 series in 2 years where his team was favored (even if they shouldn't have been).

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    Bogut is injury prone & is averaging less than 20 minutes. The team would also lack anything resembling a 3rd scorer & struggle mightily if Softridge is injured/resting.

    Doesn't make much sense to trade for a defensive center when the guard play is atrocious & Dedmon is on the roster. Warriors were the perfect for for Bogut b/c they had two scoring guards who needed illegal screens & had Draymond cover the PnRs. Even then the Warriors were at their best w/ him on the bench.



    Pau would come in handy if Softridge is moved much like Kanter is expendable but has come in handy for OKC. If Ibaka can fetch Oladipo+lotto pick then Softridge should be able to fetch Jrue+lotto pick.
    More than anything I like that Bogut's contract is expiring and he's a better fit defensively for LMA... If Pau was Ok with splitting some time up in the bench, the team maybe wouldn't have this problem (unknown I'd Dedmon is going to stay out of foul trouble if he was starting, probably not) but he's a diva who won't go to the bench if that was better for the team anyways and in the SL his contributions offensively are not enough to compensate for his atrocious defense. Kawhi's can use a better screen setter ok if we are honest.... but we would have to wait until Danny gets back and Pop addresses the problem between LMA and Pau. If that's not solved in a couple of months I would definitely consider trades...

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    You can make excuses all you want, the bottom line is, Aldridge, as the best player of a team, has a playoff series win against a favored opponent, thanks in large part to him dominating the first 2 games.

    Leonard, as the best player of a team, has lost 2 series in 2 years where his team was favored (even if they shouldn't have been).
    Yeah, keep throwing the false equivalencies when injuries to the supporting cast was what derailed the Spurs the past two postseasons.

    If injured Porker/Tiago don't get raw dogged by CP3/Blake or Tim/Diaw/D-Worst aren't a s of themselves then the Spurs would have won BOTH series. LeBron w/ Kyrie on his side almost lost to the Bulls in 2015 who had the corpse of Rose/Noah, probably would have if Pau didn't get injured in Gm 3.

    The Blazers beating the Rockets had a lot to do w/ Wes Matthew turning Harden into an inefficient chucker, Dwight was actually the most consistently dominate player in the series but was left hanging.

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    It is pointless getting an expiring contract now, considering moving P Gasol or Parker would be relatively easy if the Spurs need to clear space for a free agent that has agreed to join. If the Spurs wanted to move Gasol now for an expiring, then Parker also needs to. By clearing out Manu contract (retired), Spurs could net around 45mil of cap space in 2017 free agency to obtain key free agent(s) and attempt to retain some of Dedmon, Simmons, Lee. Considering the rookie salary scaling will rise, and free agents like Solomon Hill getting 12mil, as you can see, by keeping parker, 30mil does not buy much.

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    Yeah, keep throwing the false equivalencies when injuries to the supporting cast was what derailed the Spurs the past two postseasons.

    If injured Porker/Tiago don't get raw dogged by CP3/Blake or Tim/Diaw/D-Worst aren't a s of themselves then the Spurs would have won BOTH series. LeBron w/ Kyrie on his side almost lost to the Bulls in 2015 who had the corpse of Rose/Noah, probably would have if Pau didn't get injured in Gm 3.

    The Blazers beating the Rockets had a lot to do w/ Wes Matthew turning Harden into an inefficient chucker, Dwight was actually the most consistently dominate player in the series but was left hanging.
    So now when it benefits Leonard, Parker in '15 and Duncan in '16, were injured? What happened to pretending as if Parker was the worst player in the history of sport and Duncan just missing layups for no reason?

    Since I literally said it before the series, I buy that a combination of injuries and fatigue derailed them in '15. Even so, they series technically came down to the final possession of game 7. Had Leonard played like what he supposedly was, which was the best player in the series, he could have swung it.

    Again, you can make all the excuses you want, the bottom line is Aldridge was the best player on a team that pulled a (slight) upset and did so in large part thanks to him dominating the first 2 games.

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    Team needs more defense than anything

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    I know the defense still needs a lot of work, but again the Spurs have no one to rely on as a solid second option. LMA is NOT that player. He mental checks out far too often and is incredibly soft. Houston has NO ONE who should be able to guard him yet he plays like a total pussy.

    I can forgive so many things that went wrong for SA tonight because it is November and there are a lot of new pieces, but LMA is incredibly disheartening to watch. He is hesitating constantly and so unsure of himself.

    Kawhi may force it sometimes but at least he's trying, Patty Mills is very streak, and Gasol only takes 3-4 shots a game.

    Green is awesome to have back, but this team has no second option. If Kawhi shoots below 50% the Spurs will get blown out.

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    I know the defense still needs a lot of work, but again the Spurs have no one to rely on as a solid second option. LMA is NOT that player. He mental checks out far too often and is incredibly soft. Houston has NO ONE who should be able to guard him yet he plays like a total pussy.

    I can forgive so many things that went wrong for SA tonight because it is November and there are a lot of new pieces, but LMA is incredibly disheartening to watch. He is hesitating constantly and so unsure of himself.

    Kawhi may force it sometimes but at least he's trying, Patty Mills is very streak, and Gasol only takes 3-4 shots a game.

    Green is awesome to have back, but this team has no second option. If Kawhi shoots below 50% the Spurs will get blown out.
    We win a Championship if our Center doesn't go down this year. Book it.

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    I know the defense still needs a lot of work, but again the Spurs have no one to rely on as a solid second option. LMA is NOT that player. He mental checks out far too often and is incredibly soft. Houston has NO ONE who should be able to guard him yet he plays like a total pussy.

    I can forgive so many things that went wrong for SA tonight because it is November and there are a lot of new pieces, but LMA is incredibly disheartening to watch. He is hesitating constantly and so unsure of himself.

    Kawhi may force it sometimes but at least he's trying, Patty Mills is very streak, and Gasol only takes 3-4 shots a game.

    Green is awesome to have back, but this team has no second option. If Kawhi shoots below 50% the Spurs will get blown out.
    Maybe if LaMarcus put in work in the offseason, he wouldnt be so indecisive and soft.

    Second season in a row he used the season to get in shape, instead of busting his ass in the offseason like winners do.

    Hes not a winner.

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    Kawhi needs to do a better job manufacturing shots for his teammates. Thats his next step.

    He puts too much energy to find bad/ tough shots for himself because hes blind to anything other than the basket.

    One assist and he had over 35 possessions tonight.

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    Kawhi needs to do a better job manufacturing shots for his teammates. Thats his next step.

    He puts too much energy to find bad/ tough shots for himself because hes blind to anything other than the basket.

    One assist and he had over 35 possessions tonight.
    Kawhi increased his scoring output by a huge margin and has been a great facilitator these past few games. 1 game and hes blind to anything other than the basket.

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    Kawhi needs to do a better job manufacturing shots for his teammates. Thats his next step.

    He puts too much energy to find bad/ tough shots for himself because hes blind to anything other than the basket.

    One assist and he had over 35 possessions tonight.

    YES, love Kawhi's improvement but he has absolute tunnel vision at times this season. He really doesn't trust his teammates at all, but on many nights I can't blame him. Sometimes it feels like he's playing more for himself as oppose to the team.

    I know chemistry is going to be awkward this time of year, but it was a little disheartening to see how many shots the Spurs would pass up only to drive 4 feet in and then kick it back out again only for the same thing to happen over and over again.

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    this team is aids

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    Kawhi increased his scoring output by a huge margin and has been a great facilitator these past few games. 1 game and hes blind to anything other than the basket.
    His possession to assist ratio is one of the worst in the NBA for the type of offensive player he is now in regards to responsibility.

    He needs to do a better job at finding others for better opportunities.

    Its a critique for a top 5 player..its okay.

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    We win a Championship if our Center doesn't go down this year. Book it.
    No offense (no pun intended) are you kidding right now? This team is not even close to a le contender. Their offense is completely MIA and the defense even worse. Green's return should help and it's early days but without any playmakers or consistent minutes with rim protection this team will be a second round exit at best.

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    No offense (no pun intended) are you kidding right now? This team is not even close to a le contender. Their offense is completely MIA and the defense even worse. Green's return should help and it's early days but without any playmakers or consistent minutes with rim protection this team will be a second round exit at best.
    We beat GSW. STFU.

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    We beat GSW. STFU.
    On the first day of the season with them being exceptionally cold. I don't think beating them opening night means we will beat them in the playoffs.

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    His possession to assist ratio is one of the worst in the NBA for the type of offensive player he is now in regards to responsibility.

    He needs to do a better job at finding others for better opportunities.

    Its a critique for a top 5 player..its okay.
    He probably has the best efficient numbers in the NBA. Sorry but he can't be Jordan times 3 for s sake. It's a knock on your expectations and you need to get back to reality.

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    I've never loved Kawhiso, but the Spurs can deal with it as a feature of their offense. Without a legit backcourt scorer like Bledsoe or Lowry, there's going to be more games like this. You balance out Kawhi with a guard who penetrates without trying to get fouled, and you get LMA's head out of his LMAss, then you have the makings of a dynamic offense. But right now, Kawhi's Rudy Gay act isn't going to work against most teams. It's just not enough.

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    On the first day of the season with them being exceptionally cold. I don't think beating them opening night means we will beat them in the playoffs.
    Guess losing now doesn't mean come playoff time. Thanks for disproving yourself.

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    I've never loved Kawhiso, but the Spurs can deal with it as a feature of their offense. Without a legit backcourt scorer like Bledsoe or Lowry, there's going to be more games like this. You balance out Kawhi with a guard who penetrates without trying to get fouled, and you get LMA's head out of his LMAss, then you have the makings of a dynamic offense. But right now, Kawhi's Rudy Gay act isn't going to work against most teams. It's just not enough.
    Are you implying he is a cancer you stupid ing got low IQ .

    The you say.

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    He probably has the best efficient numbers in the NBA. Sorry but he can't be Jordan times 3 for s sake. It's a knock on your expectations and you need to get back to reality.
    My expectations?

    Do you read?

    I said its his next step in his development. He doesnt have even average vision.

    In order for the team to take that next step, he needs to work on that next step if hes going to have that high of a usage offensively.

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