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Capped out.
Having 3 players making more than anyone on the Spurs next season.
$90 mil on 4 players ( soon to be more after restructuring RW's contract ).
Owing 2 first round picks in the near future.
7th seed ceiling
I have no idea where Orlando is going, tbh..they haven't focused on developing young players(Hezonja is buried, Payton's minutes fluctuate, etc), they added Ibaka and Biyombo(with a massive contract) to their frontcourt
I agreed with the move to trade Oladipo, since he sucks, but I don't understand their direction..
Capped out.
Having 3 players making more than anyone on the Spurs next season.
$90 mil on 4 players ( soon to be more after restructuring RW's contract ).
Owing 2 first round picks in the near future.
7th seed ceiling
Their roster build for this season is horrible, too..Capped out.
Having 3 players making more than anyone on the Spurs next season.
$90 mil on 4 players ( soon to be more after restructuring RW's contract ).
Owing 2 first round picks in the near future.
7th seed ceiling
Perfect player for drive and kick(Westbrook)..let's surround him with 35%, 24% and 32% 3-point shooters in the starting lineup
Oladipo: 35%
Roberson: 24%
Sabonis: 32%
Payne: 33%
Morrow: 29%
Lauvergne: 34%
Grant at 38% is their best 3-point shooter, but he only takes 1.5 per game
Playing chess not checkers. First year post-DurbetaCapped out.
Having 3 players making more than anyone on the Spurs next season.
$90 mil on 4 players ( soon to be more after restructuring RW's contract ).
Owing 2 first round picks in the near future.
7th seed ceiling
His team might've been the defending champion right now had Durbeta not quit in Game 6.
ViciousCapped out.
Having 3 players making more than anyone on the Spurs next season.
$90 mil on 4 players ( soon to be more after restructuring RW's contract ).
Owing 2 first round picks in the near future.
7th seed ceiling
You check Will Barton's numbers against the Warriors yesterday? 4 threes too, even though you said he couldn't shoot
You should be better than that. If Barton played that way every game, his stats wouldn't be worse than Patty's. Don't tell me you want someone even more inconsistent. Plus I'm pretty sure he wasn't the PG for that time.
imo Presti is a terrible GM. went from having a perennial dynasty to overpaying for mediocrity due to cheapness
hard to believe Morrow lead the league in shooting, didnt realize he was so putrid from distance this season
At least the Spurs will get a win in Orlando tomorrow after all...
+4.2ppg
+2.8rpg
+0.2apg
I don't follow.
He also shoots 39.1% from three. 1% lower than DLeague Danny.
That's on the owner being too cheap to pay Harden tbhimo Presti is a terrible GM. went from having a perennial dynasty to overpaying for mediocrity due to cheapness
You know he plays more minutes. Is that your only issue with Patty? I'm sure Pop could play him 28mpg as well.
If you wanted to argue Barton over Green, that would make more sense, as I've said before. I'd disagree, but it would be an argument. But he and Mills don't make sense, even ignoring that Patty beats him in every meaningful category
It makes sense because they'd be traded for each other. You keep forgetting that.
They wouldn't be traded for each other. That's your fantasy, but it wouldn't be a move the Spurs would/should do because that would create a hole at one position and logjam at another.
Deflecting. I didn't even create that trade scenario. You were the one arguing (and losing) against multiple people the other day that Barton couldn't spread the floor and would be a bad fit
Jameer Nelson is starting for the Nuggets. They'd certainly consider it especially since they're deep at SG and SF (Murray, Harris, Gallo, Chandler, etc)
Unless they wanted to play Dijon and bench one of Manu or Simmons for Will Barton. I might be fine with that myself if I am honest... but not Pop.
Dijon is lower in the totem pole right now than 9 feet of soil under dirt.
Manu is Manu... HoF and Pop will go down with Manu, maybe Spurfan is fine with that too... or at least a contigent is fine with that since they think Spurs are second round fodder and at least they will enjoy watching Manu in his last postseason series....
Simmons... I leave out there for whomever wants to take a crack at it... His game is transition and he's trying to add things to his game. Sometimes he can, sometimes he can't.
I don't you even know what that means. In no way does saying Mills for Barton doesn't make sense due to roster fit avoid the question.
I know, I did.I didn't even create that trade scenario.
He'd be a horrible fit at PG. He'd be excellent at the wing, which I said before you even got into it. It has little to do with his 3P% too, as you'd know if you actually read what I wrote.You were the one arguing (and losing) against multiple people the other day that Barton couldn't spread the floor and would be a bad fit
a) No one here really cares about what Denver thinks and b) They need someone better than Mills if they're going to pay for him. They aren't tinkering around the edges; they need to do something big.Jameer Nelson is starting for the Nuggets. They'd certainly consider it especially since they're deep at SG and SF (Murray, Harris, Gallo, Chandler, etc)
What you're describing is what I meant by a logjam. If you want to argue that the Spurs can't penetrate and slash well enough, then the problem isn't the off-ball guy who's job is to get open and shoot. The problem is the slashers who aren't performing up to par. What you'll find if you trade your best shooter for a small upgrade in slashing is that you'll struggle more. None of Manu, Simmons or Barton is a natural shooter, and they certainly aren't dynamic shooters. You just aren't going to see the same beautiful game with three guys who'd rather get into the paint surrounding two bigs with very little range.
We've seen this with Simmons and especially Anderson already. It's not about how well they shoot when they shoot. It's about how they handle situations when they get the ball on a kick-out or when they aren't the object of the play. Players like Beli always try to get open and will shoot as soon as the ball touches their hands. Those are natural floor-spacers. Guys who only shoot if they're wide-open or in rhythm and who stand in a small area looking for a shot just aren't the same, even if they carry a high percentage.
Absolutely
I get your point... the point is neither Manu nor Simmons are good enough to penetrate and kick out. Mills is doing too much off the dribble as it is which he's bad at, while the other two are not doing enough of what they are or were supposed to be good at.
Simmons is limited. It's no secret I would rather the Spurs get someone better in the offseason, but I don't want to go on a rant against hte guy bc for his current role/salary he's fine. I only have an issue if he's going to get paid in the offseason bc Spurs want to amplify his role. I don't think he's good enough for that and he's getting kinda old to keep hoping.
Anyways, Manu just can't do what he used to any longer and he spots up more than anything else to shoot the 3 off others. He's good at that, he can even surprise you with a step back 3 under duress that just gives you hints of why he used to be such a great player... but could Barton be better than either this 39 year old Manu or Simmons, absolutely. And I am ready for Dijon to get minutes and be coached. Dude is not doing anything rotting in that bench when he has already given flashes at 20, more than Simmons gave at 26 last season. It's just a different direction... but I totally see exactly what you are saying in the sense that the bench is already starved for shooters with their ideal lineups playing 2 bigs that like to play in the paint anyways.
Yeah, here's the way I see the roles for the team:
Stars: Leonard, Aldridge, Gasol -- is defined mainly by the fact that they are supposed to make everyone around them better rather than specializing in one thing.
Penetrators/facilitators: Parker, Manu, Simmons, Murray
Shooters: Green, Mills, Bertans, Forbes
Roll-men/Rebounders: Dedmon, Lee, Anthony
Defenders/Macrocephaly: Anderson
If you look at the salary/production of those positions and compare them, it's obvious where the problem is. Attacking one group for not being able to do what the other group is supposed to do is silly.
Fathead.
Chinook stepping up his game. No lie.
Magic trade Ibaka to Toronto for a pick and Terrence Ross.
The Hawks have a - .2 point differential, even though their record is decent. I think they're going to dump some players, too.
But signing Joel Anthony is exciting, too.
Trading Patty for Barton would leave the roster unbalanced, so I'm not sure it would make sense by itself. If you could make that trade and then move Green for someone to replicate some of what Patty brings then it would work better. Personally, I'd love to see Green traded for Avery Bradley if we moved Patty for Barton. Bradley has played some PG in the past...in truth he's an undersized SG which is what Patty is except he plays top notch D
Bleacher Report has a article on players most likely to be traded by each team. I don't know if the Spurs section was posted previously, but here it is>
- Let's keep this simple.
The San Antonio Spurs have the NBA's second-best record and net rating. They lead the league in points allowed per 100 possessions. Their bench, unlike their starting five, ranks in the top five of offensive and defensive efficiency.
They register a top-three net rating (plus-8.3) when Kawhi Leonard, last year's MVP runner-up, is off the court.
Davis Bertans is going to steal some second- and third-place Rookie of the Year votes.
Does this seem like a Spurs outfit about to make its first midseason trade since the great Nando de Colo-for-Austin Daye blockbuster of February 2014?- I agree. Spurs seldom trade during the season and I don't think they will move anyone this season either.
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