Is gutting the team for CP3 worth it?

[Spurs 4 The Win]

you can't have green and parker and cp3.

parker is the one that should go. keep danny over him, for defense.

Parker will be here, Danny is gone. Parker will not be jettisoned from the team.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Oh, so Tony isnt a 4 time champion and Finals MVP? Just checking

[gambit1990]

Parker will be here, Danny is gone. Parker will not be jettisoned from the team.

i too think the spurs move green before/instead of parker. definitely hope i'm wrong though.

[Uriel]

I detailed in a long post about how to bring Paul over somewhere. SAGirl may remember where it is. But things to consider are:

Most of the small exceptions and salary slots have increased, which retroactively increases the salaries of most of the cheap guys. My salary thread in TT has those increased salaries. While I'll never claim to be perfect, those numbers are more accurate than most ones from this season, because they factor in the new rules.

Lee should opt out. It makes no difference to him monetarily, but it would save the Spurs millions on the cap if they re-sign him after using cap space.

Simmons should not count in this scenario beyond his cap hold, which is less than $2 Million. So that's more space you save.

This is what I am getting from a glance:

Name	2017-18
LaMarcus Aldridge	$21,461,010
Kawhi Leonard	$18,868,625
Tony Parker	$15,453,126
Danny Green	$10,000,000
Tim Duncan (stretched)	$1,881,250
Kyle Anderson	$2,151,704
Dejounte Murray	$1,312,611
Livio Jean-Charles (waived)	$1,035,200
Jonathan Simmons (QO)	$1,671,382
Davis Bertans	$1,312,611
Bryn Forbes	$1,312,611
First-Rounder	$1,697,225
Roster Charge (Hanga)	$815,615
Roster Charge	$815,615
Calculated Total	$79,788,585
Projected Cap	$101,000,000
Projected Cap Space	$21,211,415

Dumping Parker would give the Spurs the team enough to sign Paul to the max, but ideally, you'd want to save some money for a starting big. You almost certainly could get a ring-chaser for that.

Paul, Murray, Ring-Chaser, two-way d-leaguer
Green, Simmons, Hanga
Leonard, Anderson, Ring-Chaser
Lee, Bertans, First-rounder
Aldridge, Room Exception Big, Ring-Chaser, two-way d-leaguer

Bringing in Nikola would be possible, but it would count as an extra million bucks against the cap.

Can't we bring back Manu for the veteran minimum after renouncing his cap hold? And would bringing in Nikola prevent us from being able to sign Paul to a max contact? Also, from what I've read, the Spurs are considering waiving and stretching Parker as opposed to outright dumping him.

[Clipper Nation]

Oh, so Tony isnt a 4 time champion and Finals MVP? Just checking

So Porker didn't get outplayed by his own backups and dragged to rings by Duncan, Manu and Kawhi? Just checking.

Love TD and Manu. There were the heart and soul of the team in the 2000s. The only two players you could always count on to step it up in the playoffs.

Spurs won three les in five years from 2003-2007. Here's the playoff stats for all the Spurs rotation players in that time period:



Tim and Manu are the only two players with:

20+ PER
6+ BPM
10+ win shares
.200+ WS/48(DRob also qualifies for this but he only played in 2003)

These two guys were dominant - by far the two best players on the team. They were pretty much the Shaq/Kobe of the Spurs. Everybody else was a role player. No idea where the big three nonsense came from. Duncan and Manu were a big TWO back then.

[gambit1990]

Name	2017-18
LaMarcus Aldridge	$21,461,010
Kawhi Leonard	$18,868,625
Tony Parker	$15,453,126
Danny Green	$10,000,000
Tim Duncan (stretched)	$1,881,250
Kyle Anderson	$2,151,704
Dejounte Murray	$1,312,611
Livio Jean-Charles (waived)	$1,035,200
Jonathan Simmons (QO)	$1,671,382
Davis Bertans	$1,312,611
Bryn Forbes	$1,312,611
First-Rounder	$1,697,225
Roster Charge (Hanga)	$815,615
Roster Charge	$815,615
Calculated Total	$79,788,585
Projected Cap	$101,000,000
Projected Cap Space	$21,211,415

Dumping Parker would give the Spurs the team enough to sign Paul to the max, but ideally, you'd want to save some money for a starting big. You almost certainly could get a ring-chaser for that.

bolded what people need to realize.

Also, from what I've read, the Spurs are considering waiving and stretching Parker as opposed to outright dumping him.

i have not kept up with reports since kawhi's injury. if the spurs are really considering doing that... it's great news.

[gambit1990]

paul + tony is re ed. we have murray. makes no sense.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

paul + tony is re ed. we have murray. makes no sense.

Yeah but we arent trading Tony nor are we forcing him to retire. He can run with the second unit for 10 minutes a game.

[gambit1990]

we arent trading Tony

only one way to find out

He can run with the second unit for 10 minutes a game.

not improving the roster so the spurs can pay tp $15 million so he can play 10 minutes a game towards the last third of the season

[Spurs 4 The Win]

only one way to find out

not improving the roster so the spurs can pay tp $15 million so he can play 10 minutes a game towards the last third of the season

What do you suppose the front office does then? Because I dont think you really understand how on the hook we are for his salary, there isnt really much we can do. What is your move GM gambit?

[DMC]

Paul will have to come off the bench. If Manu can do it so can he. Tony is starting.

[Uriel]

All-Star point guard Chris Paul intends to give the San Antonio Spurs serious consideration in free agency this summer in the event he decides to leave the LA Clippers, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN that Paul, for all of his undeniable fondness for Los Angeles, is intrigued by the idea of teaming up with the likes of Spurs coach Gregg Popovich and MVP top-three finalist Kawhi Leonard in his quest to achieve the deep playoff success that has eluded Paul to this point in his career.

Free agency is still a month away, but sources say the Clippers already have begun contemplating roster and organizational changes aimed at convincing Paul ‎to re-sign after he declines to exercise his player option, as expected.

Sources say the Clippers' pursuit of NBA legend Jerry West to join their front office, as ESPN reported earlier this week, is an example of a potential addition aimed at swaying Paul to stay.

The Spurs, sources say, are increasingly considered a lock to at least secure a face-to-face meeting with Paul when free agency begins July 1, despite the fact San Antonio would almost certainly have to sacrifice considerable roster depth to make him a representative contract offer.

As daunting as some of the moves are that San Antonio would have to consider to create the requisite salary-cap space to aggressively pursue Paul, one source said of the Spurs' interest in the veteran floor leader: "They love him."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...agency-sources

[gambit1990]

What do you suppose the front office does then? Because I dont think you really understand how on the hook we are for his salary, there isnt really much we can do. What is your move GM gambit?

thank you for asking.

moving parker's contract this offseason should be priority #1, thought that last summer too.

it is not immovable by a long shot. parker fans kept saying how no one would take him... but that he was invaluable to us

gilbert arenas got moved, so did joe johnson.

if i'm GM, tp is gone and we go from there.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

thank you for asking.

moving parker's contract this offseason should be priority #1, thought that last summer too.

it is not immovable by a long shot. parker fans kept saying how no one would take him... but that he was invaluable to us

gilbert arenas got moved, so did joe johnson.

if i'm GM, tp is gone and we go from there.

But you know we cant do that. You can do an all time franchise great that way.

[gambit1990]

didn't phil jackson say porzingis wasn't untradable?

if i'm GM i'm trying to package tony + lma for porzingis. melo to the clippers. cp3 to the spurs.

[gambit1990]

i'm throwing in davis and two picks to make porzingis and cp3 happen.

knicks would take tony because they'd rather have him over rose imo (and tony's contract is expiring).

[gambit1990]

But you know we cant do that. You can do an all time franchise great that way.

i understand your argument as to the plausibility... but this is a business. if i'm GM, i'm making moves. i'm not standing still so tony could come back and be even slower defensively than he was before. especially not for $15 mill.

[therealtruth]

Stop comparing small forwards to a power forward...

And I'm referring to perimeter players for the Clippers that can make plays or create..there is none. And Paul hasn't played with a wing like Kawhi so there's a reason behind the madness

So Jamal Crawford can't create his own shot? The guy who has won 6th man of the year for a record 3 times.

[tmtcsc]

Yeah but we arent trading Tony nor are we forcing him to retire. He can run with the second unit for 10 minutes a game.

No, he can't. Spurs can't force him to retire but they can certainly tell him he's being traded in an effort to salary dump his contract. HE IS DONE. He was a marginal player who had a handful of good games this year before suffering his devastating injury That's it. He will no longer be NBA caliber once he tries to return. He is done and whoever takes him in the salary dump will waive him right away. Its a sad reality for him that he hasn't faced yet. The team is moving on from him and has no fantasies about him coming back and making any contribution - certainly not at 15 million per season and not when there is a chance to upgrade at the position.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

No, he can't. Spurs can't force him to retire but they can certainly tell him he's being traded in an effort to salary dump his contract. HE IS DONE. He was a marginal player who had a handful of good games this year before suffering his devastating injury That's it. He will no longer be NBA caliber once he tries to return. He is done and whoever takes him in the salary dump will waive him right away. Its a sad reality for him that he hasn't faced yet. The team is moving on from him and has no fantasies about him coming back and making any contribution - certainly not at 15 million per season and not when there is a chance to upgrade at the position.

Lol, sure, but you are forgetting the part where we are loyal to the players who helped build our franchise. We wont dump him, he has been a legend for us and we will not do him like that.

[100%duncan]

What are we exactly gutting? o? Depth is overrated in the playoffs, and the main players outside Kawhi has been really underwhelming the whole ing season.

[TheGreatYacht]

What are we exactly gutting? o? Depth is overrated in the playoffs, and the main players outside Kawhi has been really underwhelming the whole ing season.

Pretty much this. Everyone outside of Kawhi and HOTS is replaceable.

[Chillen]

Bottom line is Spurs need to shake things up to compete with the Warriors. Start with Leonard, see if CP3 wants to be a Spur and if he does put together a roster that can contend next season. Standing pat will only have the same results, Spurs might have won 1 game vs the Warriors if Leonard didn't get hurt. Spurs have to see what moves they can make to compete with the Warriors if they want to try and bring an NBA le back to San Antonio. A big 3 of Leonard, CP3 and Aldridge is a start, after that worry about the other pieces and how they fit. If CP3 stays with Clips, try to get Rose or Rubio and trade for Melo.

[sasaint]

No, he can't. Spurs can't force him to retire but they can certainly tell him he's being traded in an effort to salary dump his contract. HE IS DONE. He was a marginal player who had a handful of good games this year before suffering his devastating injury That's it. He will no longer be NBA caliber once he tries to return. He is done and whoever takes him in the salary dump will waive him right away. Its a sad reality for him that he hasn't faced yet. The team is moving on from him and has no fantasies about him coming back and making any contribution - certainly not at 15 million per season and not when there is a chance to upgrade at the position.

That is exactly how 29 teams in the NBA operate and how they would handle Tony. But I am not so sure about that 30th team. I hope something happens to make Tony go away with relative ease and as little angst as possible. But just make him go away.

We will learn quite a bit about PATFO in the next few weeks and months. I really hope for an uncharacteristicly bold off-season by the Spurs, but I suspect when all is said and done, some of us will be at least as disappointed as usual.

[raybies]

imo even Tony thinks he might get traded or waived. "I'll play my best basketball come January." Why would he feel the need to say that. And he's always been the member of the Big 3 that has been been dangled. The right deal never came so we kept him. If Parker thinks he would get waived or traded, we shouldn't be too surprised and this is pure speculation. I think the right thing to do would be to waive and stretch him and let him know in a year they can sign him back to finish his career. He's earned that much and it'd probably save a pick.