Gun control won’t reduce suicide by guns. If a person wants to shoot themselves, they’ll be able to get a gun legally just by going through all the proposed gun control measures. The only way to stop gun by suicide is to completely remove access to guns, which is politically and cons utionally unrealistic and will only open up a black market for guns. The reforms would be better focused on mental health in the suicide scenario.
A total ban on semi automatic weapons & tightening on controls.
ive had a very quick google & can see the semi's are legal in many states....this needs to stop immediately. (along with tighter regulations.
With Trump at the helm?.....not a chance in of this happening anytime soon.
You cant blame people for wanting to “do something” when horrible mass shootings happen. It would be hard to imagine being trapped and under gun fire fearing that any second could be your last. That is a haunting thought. I can’t imagine what those survivors went through in Vegas and the heartache of losing loved ones that were with you at a concert. Unfortunately, the gun reforms people talk about will do nothing to stop mass shootings and most of the people talking about gun reform know little about guns. Me included. I’ve never owned one.
Im not defending Trump, but if there ever was a person who could get gun control it’s Trump. But even he can’t win against the millions of Americans in both parties that want guns. Obama had a super majority. He could’ve passed any gun control he wanted. He didn’t bc it would’ve been electoral suicide. Same with the other dems in office. They just like to politicize mass shootings for that smaller, liberal base that is pro gun control. But they will never act other than for show bc the rest of their party would revolt.
I'm not going to pretend i know because i have no clue whatsoever about american politics (other then what i see n TV in world news which is trump always ing up in one way or another)
If he is the right person for the change then great!
It would do wonders for his image and show the world he is no redneck supporter.
sorry read your post wrong. Thought you said total ban semi automatic rifles. Might have to oppose a ban on all semi auto weapons though.
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One of my favorite Aussie comedians. I've never been to a live show but that Netflix special is some funny .
Not all gun advocates are rednecks though.
Great then hopefully everyone in the US can get behind this agenda with Trump leading the charge!
Thats true and a big reason why people that want gun control continually fail to get it. Reducing the many Americans that own guns and use them responsibly to “rednecks” is tone deaf and ignorant of just how wide spread gun ownership is across all socioeconomic classes.
Plenty? Very very few. And robberies usually get solved. Too much scientific evidence these. Bring a gun to a gun fight and someone is getting hurt.
America tried banning alcohol. It didn't go well. So the western world legislates it. Put age requirements. Train staff to serve drinks responsible. Put huge taxes on it to address medical bills associated with it. Educate young people. Ban activities like driving while under the influence. Drugs are also a issue. You reduce it as much as you can. Make it illegal.
A lot of suicide is spontaneous and sometimes fuled by being under the influence so they not thinking straight. They at the most vulnerable, so taking away their means to do it by shooting yourself will make a difference. No access to guns then then they not shooting themselves. Those who plan it, yes they can, but they can find other methods to do it. Stopping those from committing suicide takes an entire community: friends, family, mental health experts. But you want to stop the spontaneous ones. And i rather attend a hanging rather than a bullet to the head.
Texting and driving more dangerous
Yes, but what if they owned a gun before they had any suicidal thoughts? The problem with stopping suicides requires, like you say, community and mental health solutions. Gun control will have little to no impact on dropping suicide rates. Therein lies the problem, most gun control measures are politically motivated and do nothing to stop gun violence. The only way to ensure no gun violence is to take away all guns, which is not tenable politically and is uncons utional. And given the number of guns in America, outlawing them only creates a black market that is wholly unregulated and more dangerous.
Then why didn’t you correct him? I assumed maybe you were not aware since you failed to mention it.
But your stopping the spontaneous suicides. So yes it would help. The cons ution can change. Heck it changed to abolish slavery. The real issue here is the following: every western country that has strict gun control has reduced mass shooting significantly. America has a mass shooting issue. Guns are killing people. Kids are killing themselves by playing with the gun. The pros for tightening gun control completely outweighs the cons. This cowboy patriotic is making your country dangerous and increasing the paranoia.
And at least in my state and country, texting while driving is illegal. Besides I hsve not read ever of a text driving killing 60 people and injury 500. Also it's apples and oranges.
America does not have a mass shooting problem in the sense of it being a pervasive and frequent problem that is causing massive amounts of death per year.
I mentioned that gun homicide rate statistics include suicide, and some how arguments turned to focus on that. My point was that those gun homicide statistics are inflated as a result.
Statistics can sometimes lead us down the wrong path unless we truly dissect the information. Case in point. There is a place in Zion National Park called Angels Landing. By the statistics it is a very dangerous place to attempt to climb because the "numbers " of fatalities that occur each year...darn scary place until you find out that a vast majority of people who die climbing Angel Falls intend to die doing so. Many suffer terminal illnesses, or mental problems, so they just jump when ascending to the peak of the falls.
So we should ban that place according to the "statistics " then, right? No, we look inside the numbers and understand them.
Yes, I am more than well aware that the ban on alcohol aka prohibition failed, and was repealed. But we are still talking 88,000 fatalities per year that happen due to drinking and driving compared to 13,000 by guns.
It is a fallacy to offer one solution (prohibition ) and say we tried it, it failed, and offer no other options.
We need to start moving involuntary manslaughter charges to something higher and more punitive.
Now we have this gun problem though, because it is sensationalized, with a large number of fatalities taking place at one time. By no way do I want to minimize those lives lost in such an incident, as it would be a disrespectful thing to do so, but some how we turn a blind eye to alcohol related deaths when driving is concerned. ..why is that? Fewer death during a single event, but far more events, and politically speaking, it isn't good practice to go after big alcohol. Far too many contributions made to politicians by the Millers, Coors, etc.
But when we have 13,000 deaths by guns per year. The "glowing box" leads people on this political agenda to take away our second amendment...and PLEASE, do not compare the second and 13th amendment. The 13th was an added amendment to abolish slavery
Whereas people are proposing taking an amend mentioned away. That is an apples to fake plastic fruit comparison.
And can we please stop with the Nevada gun laws allow fully automatic weapons nonsense. It is illegal to posses fully automatic weapons in the US, but where there is a will, there is a way. These lunatics that commit these heinous crimes don't stop to ponder the legality of their actions beforehand. If it isn'the guns, it will be some other mechanism of destruction.
How often do we talk about the guns that save people's lives...pretty much never, as it doesn't fit in the agenda.
Again, I do not own a gun, but I fully support our 2nd amendment rights. I do not affiliate myself with any major political party, and find myself being and equal opportunity basher of both the extreme right and extreme left.
I can not contain myself when it comes to the extreme left wanting to "save lives" every time we have a "mass shooting ". Where is the far left when it comes to punitive action for offenders of these heinous crimes? They are the same ones (Susan Sarandon) who oppose victim impact statements, and work to get these offenders reduced sentences for crimes, and thus, get these s bags released back into the population, so they can offend again....sometimes the hypocrisy just reaches levels beyond insanity.
Gun related deaths are down significantly compared to the 1990's. Do why is it drawing so much attention now? Social media related political agenda.
Out.
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smh... made fun of it... not enough ?
Gun reforms that are sought cannot be justified bc it might deter 10 people in a year from shooting themselves spontaneously (assuming they don’t already own a gun anyway). If that was how we regulated, everything would be illegal. The cons ution is incredibly hard to change and takes the will of the people. Here, you might get 5% of the country to agree on banning guns under the cons ution. This is a pointless conversation that isn’t based in reality.
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