Wait...Simmons doesn't do ANYTHING better than ANYONE on the team?
No he wouldn’t have. Again there are injuries. When everyone is healthy was he going to still play ahead of Manu, Patty and Rudy Gay? No way. Kyle wouldn’t be a blip on the radar he was already the 11th guy last year. Are you saying he was going to come back to compete with Kyle again? No way. He wanted to be ahead of all of Manu, Patty, Gay etc and would have liked to have been compensated accordingly too.
With everybody healthy, all of Mills, Manu, Gay and Simmoms would be getting minutes. Mills, Manu, Simmons, Gay and Lauvergne would be the line-up off the bench.
What minutes does he get? How many shots? Is Pop going to bench him as he makes a mistake in a play? Yes. He just didn’t want to come back to compete for small opportunities with Kyle or whomever. Spurs didn’t offer him the opportunities that the Magic offered him. It’s not that difficult to see tbh. You seem fixed with Kyle when you gave to look at a healthy roster, entrenched guys, Pops style, how do he system depresses guys shots and how Pop would have used mistakes he made as an opportunity to play someone else just bc that’s what Pop does. Someone remarked he wasn’t mentally strong since Pop did that with the big 3 at times too. He wasn’t going to get what he wanted.
You are the one fixed with Kyle, tbh.
I only mentioned Anderson because Simmons would be taking his place on the starting lineup right now with Kawhi out, nothing more.
And regarding what Kind of role Simmons would have with everyone healthy, I'm telling you that at the end of last season he had already surpassed Manu as the first wing off the bench, so it's pretty safe to assume that he would have kept that role, tbh.
If you do something better than anyone on the team, you're the best at it. That's not the same as saying you do something better than any one particular individual, but your amphibology is duly noted.Wait...Simmons doesn't do ANYTHING better than ANYONE on the team?
Players want to play they don’t want to sit and they don’t want to be with the second stringers. He left for decent money and a good chance to get starting minutes.
64 points over his last 3 games, all done coming off the bench.
Good for him for leaving this mediocre senile coach who was misusing him. Pop closed the Pacers game with Manure who was 0/6. He knew Manure was going to be ahead of him as does everyone. Jackson wasn't lying when he said Poop plays his favorites, no matter how trash they are.
Not difficult to see he wasn’t going to get the same opportunities + he still mentioned feeling restricted not being able to make lay through ugh mistakes and a whole host of other reasons. He chose to move on and he’s happy.... Jezzus
Ok fair enough. Just you weren’t the only one mentioning Kyle which is irrelevant. He wasn’t coming back to compete with Kyle. He wanted a bigger role, more minutes, opportunities starter level minutes if he was playing well, a role etc. Coming back to the status quo wasn’t going to cut it. To pay him Spurs had to let Mills go bc he wanted more than he got eventually. If the Spurs wanted him he would have gotten 12:01. Was he worthy of that? At the time I didn’t think he was. Raybies and Sasaint and others thought so. It didn’t matter bc he wanted to see what else was out there and eventually found a better fit.You are the one fixed with Kyle, tbh.
I only mentioned Anderson because Simmons would be taking his place on the starting lineup right now with Kawhi out, nothing more.
And regarding what Kind of role Simmons would have with everyone healthy, I'm telling you that at the end of last season he had already surpassed Manu as the first wing off the bench, so it's pretty safe to assume that he would have kept that role, tbh.
In Pop's system, he would be and that's a fact. Simmons wouldn't have amounted to anything here. It's better he went somewhere where he'd get a decent amount of burn because Pop always prioritizes veterans and seniors over inexperienced/young players. He's one of the most overrated coaches in the NBA."b-b-but...but...but da' advanced stats say Simmons is a net negative player"
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For those who do not understand what they're watching, probably.
no, he is not, besides 3pt he does nothing better than Simmons, he is undersized and this will show against elite teams, However, it is much better than Mills or Forbes, not that it means anything.
Paul can playmake without turning it over half the time, tbh. Also, Paul defensive numbers are better than Simmons right now, not that that is very hard to do since Simmons defensive numbers are pretty ty, tbh.
When the best teams in the league are athletic, at some point you must counter with athleticism. Simmons provided that and more. He is missed. The only true reason he is not on the team is he did not kiss the ring of Pop enough. Pop takes all the credit when the team does well, so he should take all the credit when it does not. Pop has turned into Woody Hayes.
I understand where he's coming from. If I was him, I would have left too. It seems like they didn't treat him like a priority, they didn't seem to want to tell him he'll get Manu's minute or regular court time, they just mishandled the whole thing to overpay two scrubby players. I wonder if both Kawhi and LMA wanted him back. LMA and KA were tight with him, and I always used to see Kawhi cheer hard for him when he made a great play, so I think Kawhi liked him quite a bit.
I hope I don't log onto Spurstalk from now until the trade deadline and see a thread with Kawhi asking to be traded.
If Kyle was playing like Simmons, ppl on here would be ing themselves...all im seeing is a lot of sour grapes
and all of you were wrong...like we were saying at the time...simmons is even better than Danny Green, tbh...Danny Green's defense isnt MILES ahead of Simmons' defense (he WAS the only one to absolutely lock down harden last playoffs), plus danny has his defensive impact increased because he plays alongside the other starters, who are the best defensive players on the team...Simmons in that same role would excel...on the other hand, Simmons is WAAAAY more dynamic and consistent offensively because he doesnt just rely on shooting...he slashes, and passes well...2 things we need on this team, and 2 things danny is absolutely trash at doing...
Simmons passes better than Kyle (check the stats both last year and this year...and Kyle gets so much props for his alleged passing ability
this is all irrelevant. I don't think you have read anything that he has said in several interviews about his departure.
He didn't want to come back. Part of the reason is he's with a different coach and system. He has more freedom. He is happy. He can play freely, he's trusted by his coach. He gets more touches, more opportunities, and isn't in a restricted system.
There is a chance that had he come back he wouldn't have been much better than regular season Simmons last year playing in Pop's system. He wanted to grow his game and spread his wings and he didn't feel like he could do that in the Spurs (his words). I am happy for him tbh.. you should too.
there are some things i miss about simmons but i think paul could eventually be a better fit.
show me once where he said he didnt wanna come back, and ill concede
it's in several threads. .. some of it on his church, some of it in some other threads. there is an article about it in the orlando magic website with the most recent interview he gave, there is one in pounding the rock... he gave several interviews at the time he signed that contract, and he also gave some at the media day with the magic, and most recently prior to the game the Spurs had in Orlando... there were several you can track them down.
not puying it...post exact quote, or it didnt exist...i dont wanna see some vague quote like "i felt like my opportunities were better here"....that doenst say he didnt want to come back, that says he wanted to, but Pop and FO werent willing to give him what he deserves in terms of money and opportunity
ok whatever I am not making it up but it's in several threads and I don't want to chase that down for you. for a Jsimms fan you really haven't kept up with what he has really been up to and interviews he has given.
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