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Probably not. But one player is going up and the other well, not up.
He’s a better shooter than Gay, but no way is he a better all around player or scorer.
Probably not. But one player is going up and the other well, not up.
Seriously lol Gay is also a good rebounder in addition to his versatility on offense
A good team can give Bertans rotation minutes. I do think Parker/Murray, Green, Leonard, Bertans, Aldridge has the potential to be a great bridge lineup, but Davis is so erratic right now. Dude is 25 and still has developmental holes in his game. I don't know what his long-term future is with SA.
Sometimes landing on a good team is actually not good for an aspiring player with talent. Some guys need the consistent run to work on their weaknesses in real-time. Not all, but some.
I like the fact Pop takes time with guys to make sure they focus on their weaknesses and makes them earn their playing time. In bad teams like say the Suns, they would play him a lot for his shooting (a la Devin Booker) and who knows if a player ever works or improves on weaknesses since he's not made to earn playing time the hard way.
It's just after a guy has shown he can play, that "holding someone back" starts to become an issue. Davis already could shoot since last season. He had some impressive games last year too.
At some point you have to find the guy a rotation spot or let him go this summer. He's probably at that stage.
Bertans has been pretty solid and consistent this year whenever he gets 15+ minutes.
It's all about opportunity.
Pop is slow as molasses to make the necessary personnel adjustments, so it doesn't surprise me to see how it took him 3 months to move Bertans ahead of Joffrey in the rotation.
Bertans has played over 16 minutes in only 14 games this year.
In these 14 games,
He's averaging 11.8 points. 3.4 boards .8 blocks on 52% shooting and 43% from three.
He needs consistent minutes.
And who's saying he has been one? Pau has been very good. All I'm saying is that the way the roster is constructed (and the way the team will have to play to face our biggest rivals), it makes more sense to have Pau come off the bench.
Mmmh, what? I'm talking about this season.You are also assuming Manu comes back. I think you can easily find minutes for all of Gay/Bertans/Gasol/Anderson. Issue is still the third big as Bertans can’t be that without rebounding and another penetrating guard should Manu retire. Maybe Murray develops more.
I don't know if he's a better all around player but for the role he has to play and the way he compliments the rest of the team, Bertans is more valuable than Gay.
been saying that all along ... good stuff
Good to see you come around to the idea of Bertans needing playing time no matter how good other guys are playing. Bertans, if able to produce at his potential, is a true difference maker, unlike most of the other guys.
shooters are rhythm players. playing them 5 minutes a game and giving them 1-2 attempts per game is poor usage. bertans has a unique skill set on our team... let him loose
I remember when Pop let reigning Euroleague MVP Splitter rot on the bench the first year and a half
I've always been a fan of his game, never said he wasn't deserving of consistent minutes.
I was only saying at beginning of the year why he wasn't getting minutes. The reason for that was simply a numbers game with how Kyle & Gay got off to a strong start.
Still, that was no reason to have guys like Lauvergne, Forbes or Paul get minutes over him. And if it was up to me Bertans would have been over Gay and Anderson in minutes consideration from the beggining too.
Unfortunately, I still think Pop has no place for Bertans in the rotation with everyone healthy.
i dont think forbes or paul ever took minutes from bertans, as he has almost exclusively played at the 4 this year. those minutes had largely been going to gay
Gay can easily switch to one of the 2 wing spots and Bertans gets minutes at the 4.
our 2 wing spots aren't really interchangeable though. between danny, kawhi, anderson, and gay, only Danny sees real minutes at the 2
bball reference estimates that kawhi has spent like 1% of his career at the 2. so you've really got kawhi/anderson/gay as the 4's in our small lineups, with LMA at the 4 quite a bit, too
Yes they are. There are literal quotes from Manu saying that playing the 2 or 3 on the Spurs system is the exact same thing.
And now that Pop is using more and more smallball, the 2, 3 and 4 can easily be exchangeable.
Splitter was nothing more than a decent NBA big
Berta has the abilities that todays NBA requires which makes him a far superior asset
Can u imagine Berta on the Golden Showers or Cleveland or Boston???
Dude would be a beast
You have a point.
I am not sure what happens in a hypothetical world with everyone healthy? The Spurs have a lot of quality in their forwards and less in other spots so mix guys up more hopefully as you said.
I kind of have been worrying less about a fully healthy rotation bc Spurs are already half way through the season and the team isn't fully healthy.
and i even forgot to mention manu in my post, which shows just how much more cluttered it is.
and what manu says is irrelevant. we never see kawhi, anderson, or gay and the 2
Have to agree with this. Bertans on the Dubs would be deadly.
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