Kawhi is not resigning here

[jermaine]

If anyone knows Pop, you'd know not to expect Kawhi back this season an he's good as gone next season. Pop went on live Tv an called Kawhi out. He allowed Tony an Manu air Kawhi out an didn't do damage control. Then he bunkered down to say Kawhi an his group. You can't make Pop look bad in the media an stay with the Spurs. Not only that, once Pop made it public, that was him telling Kawhi comeback over this franchise is moving on from you. That's if you know Pop... IDC when or if Kawhi gets cleared. Pop meant what he said about bringing him back to late an coming back right before the playoffs.

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't buy that narrative at all. Pop has a well-do ented history of prioritizing health over wins, from holding Duncan out in 2000 to resting his stars to managing Manu's minutes. He's also given Kawhi time off for nagging injuries when needed.

Nobody knows who made the final call when Kawhi came back for those 9 games, but I sincerely doubt it was Pop forcing Kawhi out on the floor against his will...and Pop's already said several times that they aren't trying to do that now.

Passive aggressive or not, he literally has said, "It's Kawhi's call."

Obviously, there is a sense of urgency since we have 5 games left and still haven't clinched a playoff spot, but Pop will roll with the guys he has if he needs to.

Sometimes people will make every excuse to justify their beliefs. If Kawhis' Uncle or group truly believes he is better off elsewhere for his shoe deal, for his ability to build a bigger Kawhi brand, then they'll throw in every excuse they can to get what they want.

I don't disagree with your reasons why you don't buy that but you're looking at it through a lens of a fan that doesn't want to see him leave. That lens is a totally different lens from Kawhi's Uncle or group that wants him to continue his career elsewhere.

[DPG21920]

Sometimes people will make every excuse to justify their beliefs. If Kawhis' Uncle or group truly believes he is better off elsewhere for his shoe deal, for his ability to build a bigger Kawhi brand, then they'll throw in every excuse they can to get what they want.

I don't disagree with your reasons why you don't buy that but you're looking at it through a lens of a fan that doesn't want to see him leave. That lens is a totally different lens from Kawhi's Uncle or group that wants him to continue his career elsewhere.

His reasons are bogus. Different lense or not, they are bogus. The only truth is they want out of SA (if that is indeed the truth); there is no legit reason for it.

[weebo]

Sometimes people will make every excuse to justify their beliefs. If Kawhis' Uncle or group truly believes he is better off elsewhere for his shoe deal, for his ability to build a bigger Kawhi brand, then they'll throw in every excuse they can to get what they want.

I don't disagree with your reasons why you don't buy that but you're looking at it through a lens of a fan that doesn't want to see him leave. That lens is a totally different lens from Kawhi's Uncle or group that wants him to continue his career elsewhere.

How do you know this? Post the link that verifies your claim.

[daslicer]

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

Carter proving what I have said before about these black sports analyst being racially biased and have their on agenda which is not promoting the truth. Carter coming with the bs narrative that Pop doesn't care about Kawhi's health and wants him to play because he needs Kawhi to keep the 50 win streak going. Carter bases this off of Kawhi's team telling him that which is a bunch of bs that's not even believable knowing Pop's history about being super cautious about bringing guys back from injury. Nick Wright then plays along the spurs are in disarray by citing Stephen Jackson as a credible source on what's going on which is laughable. I laughed at the end when Carter said "We as the group" implying that he's part of Kawh's team. Proving another point I have made earlier that a lot of these guys including Carter, Jalen Rose, are auditioning to be Kawhi's insider. It's obvious Carter want's to be Kawhi's Brian Windhorst.

Not strange to see both sides trying to set the narrative. Like I told you earlier Kawhi's uncle declared war on the Spurs and now the Spurs are on the defensive trying to defend their reputation.

[Ice009]

I don't buy that narrative at all. Pop has a well-do ented history of prioritizing health over wins, from holding Duncan out in 2000 to resting his stars to managing Manu's minutes. He's also given Kawhi time off for nagging injuries when needed.

Nobody knows who made the final call when Kawhi came back for those 9 games, but I sincerely doubt it was Pop forcing Kawhi out on the floor against his will...and Pop's already said several times that they aren't trying to do that now.

Passive aggressive or not, he literally has said, "It's Kawhi's call."

Obviously, there is a sense of urgency since we have 5 games left and still haven't clinched a playoff spot, but Pop will roll with the guys he has if he needs to.

Very strange video. Cris Carter seems to think he's in Kawhi group at the end of the video. If he really is, then everything he said here doesn't look good for the Spurs retaining Kawhi.

[bklynspursfan]

I mentioned in another thread, but Carter was represented by Impact Sports Management, which also represents Kawhi.

http://impactse.com/the-company/

Impact Sports represents the likes of Lavonte David, Robert Quinn, Travis Benjamin, Laquon Treadwell and Brandon Flowers among its roughly forty NFL clients. Additionally, it has grown a basketball division in the recent past, with its marquee client being San Antonio Spurs forward Kawhi Leonard.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenh.../#5959c682701a

[Ice009]

Carter seems to think there is some big announcement coming, but not until the end of the season. He was really ing smug in that video. I didn't like it at all.

I mentioned in another thread, but Carter was represented by Impact Sports Management, which also represents Kawhi.

http://impactse.com/the-company/



https://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenh.../#5959c682701a

I remember you posting this before. I really do hope he's not as clued in as he thinks and that he's wrong. I don't know, though. His smugness at the end of the video was really annoying. It really disgusted me.

[MaNu4Tres]

His reasons are bogus. Different lense or not, they are bogus. The only truth is they want out of SA (if that is indeed the truth); there is no legit reason for it.

The only opinions that matter are the opinions of Kawhi and his group. We can disagree with them til we are blue in the face and be right -- and that doesn't matter.

It's like when a girl breaks up with a man or woman because she likes or finds someone else more attractive -- and then uses bull excuses to justify her actions whether they be true or not.

[apalisoc_9]

His reasons are bogus. Different lense or not, they are bogus. The only truth is they want out of SA (if that is indeed the truth); there is no legit reason for it.

His reasons are bogus in your eyes but these are human beings who look after themselves more than anything. Its a me me first situation.

Its a job for kawhi and his family and if they feel like somewhere else provides a better opportunity they will male up all sorts of excuses.

Just like any human being.

[Ice009]

One question I have, why does he need to be rehabbing in New York? Does he somehow get better treatment rehabbing in NY? I wouldn't think so, but curious why he'd be there instead of San Antonio. Is he going there to try and get clearance from his medical team? If not, I don't see why he needs to rehab there.

If Kawhi does end up leaving because of his uncle and clowns like Cris Carter (who is supposedly on his team and appears to be using his power in the the media to spread lies about the Spurs), then I'm going to end up dropping off both of those two at a car wash in Compton.

[DPG21920]

His reasons are bogus in your eyes but these are human beings who look after themselves more than anything. Its a me me first situation.

Its a job for kawhi and his family and if they feel like somewhere else provides a better opportunity they will male up all sorts of excuses.

Just like any human being.

You are free to think things; that does not make them right. If it is a job, then no place can pay Kawhi more than SA can. It’s been proven over and over for those that seek it out, the market doesn’t matter for endorsements any more. Lebron in CLE. Russ/KD in OKC. There are numerous examples of smaller markets getting big endorsement money not to mention the guaranteed salary Sa can offer.

Saying that he wants to make more money is bogus. Saying the doctors messed up is bogus. Saying his teammates are good enough is bogus.

He’s free to leave obviously but just say the truth; you don’t like living in SA or that you dislike your coach or whatever. The other stuff is just lies even though someone is free to push those lies to make themselves feel better.

[DPG21920]

The only opinions that matter are the opinions of Kawhi and his group. We can disagree with them til we are blue in the face and be right -- and that doesn't matter.

It's like when a girl breaks up with a man or woman because she likes or finds someone else more attractive -- and then uses bull excuses to justify her actions whether they be true or not.

I agree. I’m not arguing the fact that he might leave. I’m saying I’m not buying the reasons they are pushing.

[bklynspursfan]

Carter seems to think there is some big announcement coming, but not until the end of the season. He was really ing smug in that video. I didn't like it at all.



I remember you posting this before. I really do hope he's not as clued in as he thinks and that he's wrong. I don't know, though. His smugness at the end of the video was really annoying. It really disgusted me.

I hope so too. Carter being smug and all clued in, yet saying the Spurs are prioritizing the playoffs/streaks over Kawhi's health?? If he and Kawhi's group think that, when all the evidence shows the complete opposite in that last 20 years? Then they are more clueless than clued in, and looking for any reason to want out.

One question I have, why does he need to be rehabbing in New York? Does he somehow get better treatment rehabbing in NY? I wouldn't think so, but curious why he'd be there instead of San Antonio. Is he going there to try and get clearance from his medical team? If not, I don't see why he needs to rehab there.

If Kawhi does end up leaving because of his uncle and clowns like Cris Carter (who is supposedly on his team and appears to be using his power in the the media to spread lies about the Spurs), then I'm going to end up dropping off both of those two at a car wash in Compton.

I guess he has to show his doctors or his "group" in NYC that he can play. Once he got that 2nd opinion, he pretty much has to get clearance from them now in their territory.

[duncan2k5]

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

Pop didn't really shut him down... Remember he got some criticism (unwarranted I'm) for playing Kawhi after his second sprain

[DPG21920]

I hope so too. Carter being smug and all clued in, yet saying the Spurs are prioritizing the playoffs/streaks over Kawhi's health?? If he and Kawhi's group think that, when all the evidence shows the complete opposite in that last 20 years? Then they are more clueless than clued in, and looking for any reason to want out.



I guess he has to show his doctors or his "group" in NYC that he can play. Once he got that 2nd opinion, he pretty much has to get clearance from them now in their territory.

It could be that or it could be that if he’s in NY under the guise of rehab, that there will be no expectation of him showing up to games, etc..

So far he’s had a sick daughter, now a trip to NY to rehab, etc..Could all be coincidence but harder to believe at this point. Seems like some excuses to stay away from the team after being called out for doing so and understanding the optics are bad.

[duncan2k5]

I'm just not sure what to think of all of this. Obviously, we only have piecemeal information and so we don't have a clear picture of what is happening. I'm assuming one of two things is going on: (1) Kawhi is injured and is worried that if he doesn't get 100%, then he will risk losing his big payday...sounds like the tendonopathy or whatever can be a significant long term issue if it isn't resolved and maybe he's spooked because it isn't 100% even with all the rest and rehab; or (2) he may or may not be injured, but he wants out of SA and the powers that be are telling him that even if he doesn't get the super max, he'll make more money from endorsements, etc. if he plays in a larger market.

Under the first scenario, the Spurs are driving the bus because they can super max him. Under the 2nd scenario, Kawhi is driving the bus because the only way to get to a team that could hypothetically get him more endorsements would be to get to California (really one of the LA teams) or New York. That's pretty much it and he can force his way by saying those are the only teams with which he will sign an extension. And the assets from both those teams are less attractive. But I would think the Spurs would prefer to get a haul from NY over LA.

It will be an interesting summer.

Second scenario makes no sense... He can play and demand a trade if that was his intention... As opposed to having teams think he has a serious injury, thus lowering his value... And missing out on endorsement deals by losing a year off his prime

[duncan2k5]

I am not signing a guy to any contract who needs his own doctors to clear him to play. I am not signing any player to a contract who has sat out a whole year to soft tissue issues/inflammation.

He he is going to screw himself though cause Pop kept the media away from him. When he goes to La or New York s going to be on him like flies on his life will be a living .

Trade him to who ever gives us the best picks/players.
1. Get rid of Forbes and Paul ASAP
2. Get rid of Joffrey bring in our foreign Center to replace him and Fosil
3. Retire Tony

You think Kawhi doesn't know the media elsewhere is tough? U think u have that info and he is oblivious?

[cd98]

Second scenario makes no sense... He can play and demand a trade if that was his intention... As opposed to having teams think he has a serious injury, thus lowering his value... And missing out on endorsement deals by losing a year off his prime

He was injured, but at this point, who knows what is going on with him and what the guys in the background are whispering to him. They could be poisoning him on the Spurs and how they have talked about him to the media and they could be telling him don't come back and force a trade in the off season. Yes it makes no sense, but these relatives that think they are on the same level as agents have no idea what they are doing.

[DPG21920]

Second scenario makes no sense... He can play and demand a trade if that was his intention... As opposed to having teams think he has a serious injury, thus lowering his value... And missing out on endorsement deals by losing a year off his prime

It makes perfect sense. Look at Isiah Thomas. The basketball contract for Kawhi will far exceed any Jordan Deal. The objective is the largest basketball contract and the only way to jeopardize THAT money is to pick up an injury and give a team leverage.

Right now Kawhi knows that as long as he makes it to contract time healthy, especially with SA’s doctors clearing him, he’s a lock for that offer.

Whether he takes it or not is entirely different.

[duncan2k5]

It makes perfect sense. Look at Isiah Thomas. The basketball contract for Kawhi will far exceed any Jordan Deal. The objective is the largest basketball contract and the only way to jeopardize THAT money is to pick up an injury and give a team leverage.

Right now Kawhi knows that as long as he makes it to contract time healthy, especially with SA’s doctors clearing him, he’s a lock for that offer.

Whether he takes it or not is entirely different.

That makes no sense... He is injured NOW! This is the exact scenario u said would jeopardize a team signing him for super max

[duncan2k5]

I hope so too. Carter being smug and all clued in, yet saying the Spurs are prioritizing the playoffs/streaks over Kawhi's health?? If he and Kawhi's group think that, when all the evidence shows the complete opposite in that last 20 years? Then they are more clueless than clued in, and looking for any reason to want out.



I guess he has to show his doctors or his "group" in NYC that he can play. Once he got that 2nd opinion, he pretty much has to get clearance from them now in their territory.

Yes they have been conservative with injuries for 20 years, but that doesn't mean they can't change pop and the FO had made decisions recently that they wouldn't have ten years ago...

Secondly, it's no secret that Pop, Manu, and Tony have a bond that is super strong... Their desire to send them out with a fighting chance may be affecting their decisions

[DPG21920]

That makes no sense... He is injured NOW! This is the exact scenario u said would jeopardize a team signing him for super max

So based on this and your post after you are saying that Pop/SA would risk his career. Got it.

[apalisoc_9]

You are free to think things; that does not make them right. If it is a job, then no place can pay Kawhi more than SA can. It’s been proven over and over for those that seek it out, the market doesn’t matter for endorsements any more. Lebron in CLE. Russ/KD in OKC. There are numerous examples of smaller markets getting big endorsement money not to mention the guaranteed salary Sa can offer.

Saying that he wants to make more money is bogus. Saying the doctors messed up is bogus. Saying his teammates are good enough is bogus.

He’s free to leave obviously but just say the truth; you don’t like living in SA or that you dislike your coach or whatever. The other stuff is just lies even though someone is free to push those lies to make themselves feel better.

Except that San Antonio is not OKC or CLE.

Russ and Lebron both had the freedom to do whatever they want which made them very marketbale. Just look at Duncan, for a player lf his caliber he never reach Russ or heck even Kyrie level endorsment.

Its the San Antonio narrative "boring". He gets away from it and you can bet he is going to make more.

[Ice009]

You are free to think things; that does not make them right. If it is a job, then no place can pay Kawhi more than SA can. It’s been proven over and over for those that seek it out, the market doesn’t matter for endorsements any more. Lebron in CLE. Russ/KD in OKC. There are numerous examples of smaller markets getting big endorsement money not to mention the guaranteed salary Sa can offer.

Saying that he wants to make more money is bogus. Saying the doctors messed up is bogus. Saying his teammates are good enough is bogus.

He’s free to leave obviously but just say the truth; you don’t like living in SA or that you dislike your coach or whatever. The other stuff is just lies even though someone is free to push those lies to make themselves feel better.

I agree. If he does want to leave, it sounds like they're making up lies as excuses for him to leave. That is bull . The Spurs wouldn't compromise his health. If they didn't think he could play, they would tell him not to play.

I agree. I’m not arguing the fact that he might leave. I’m saying I’m not buying the reasons they are pushing.

Yep. If they want to discredit the Spurs with made up BS because they want to leave, I hope the Spurs fire back and totally roast these guys.

I hope so too. Carter being smug and all clued in, yet saying the Spurs are prioritizing the playoffs/streaks over Kawhi's health?? If he and Kawhi's group think that, when all the evidence shows the complete opposite in that last 20 years? Then they are more clueless than clued in, and looking for any reason to want out.



I guess he has to show his doctors or his "group" in NYC that he can play. Once he got that 2nd opinion, he pretty much has to get clearance from them now in their territory.

Yeah, Cris Carter's reason's are idiotic. The Spurs would never force a player to play just to keep up a streak. When has Pop ever done that? The main reason they want him for the playoffs is because they believe they have a real shot of winning it with him if he plays. They would also have to believe he's healthy enough to play and can't make the injury any worse. If Kawhi and his people want to spread BS because he wants out, then I hope the Spurs hit back hard and defend themselves.