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    Jordan dominated subs ute teachers, CPAs, and plumbers. 90s defenses were not complex either. Sequence:

    Jordan takes someone off the dribble and dunks.

    Crowd: ooooooh!

    Bad Boyz get mad. Next time Jordan tries that, Rodman clotheslined him or suplexes him.

    Phil Jackson complains thru the media.

    Results: Bad Boys no longer can rough up His Airness without impunity. Players can't even look at Mike without it being a tech.

    Mike goes on to win 6 rings.

    /The End

    What Jordan got away with is equivalent to modern day white privilegePERIOD
    If Jordan played today, he will be destroy the league because he's a once-a-generation player. We're salty because deep down, our franchise's best players (Kobe, Lebron, and Duncan) will never be considered the GOAT by most people.

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    This do entary is so overrated. I’m sick of the slobbering.

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    If Jordan played today, he will be destroy the league because he's a once-a-generation player. We're salty because deep down, our franchise's best players (Kobe, Lebron, and Duncan) will never be considered the GOAT by most people.
    Jordan would be DeRozan today tbh, he wouldn’t be matched up against Uncle Joey from Full house or grocery bagger Stark
    Plus he hates zone defense

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    This I do agree. Jordan was great but he’s so overrated. People make is sound like he never lost a game in his life and scores 35 points every game. He got beat by the pistons. He struggled against the sonics in the finals (rodman or Pippen should have won the FMVP).

    He didn’t win 6 rings by himself. Pippen was a beast, his team got away with all kinds of stuff, the east was weak and Krause the Hutt was great building a very particular type of team to magnify Jordan’s strength so that the bulls can win.
    I’ve always thought Rodman should have won Finals MVP in 96
    It is a team sport FFS
    Not to mention Jordan doesn’t really make a team better, you had to build a specific team aroind him to make it work.

    And the ringz argument is so flawed when it comes to comparing players, context is conveniently ignored

    I like how the goals posts are moved in MJ’s favor : “MJ is the GOAT cuz more ringz than Lebron” ok then Russell should be the GOAT by that logic

    Or “Jordan’s team wasn’t good enough when he started his career” or “he willed his teams to victory” yet Lebron is vilified for wanting a better situation. Is it his fault if the Celtics were much better than Cleveland? Jordan would have bolted if Krause didn’t built that team, people forget he threw the FO under the bus.
    After the decision, Jordan said he wouldn’t have joined other superstars (duh he had Scottie, the best Euro player back then who was also the best 6th man a clutch shooter and a matchup nightmare in Kukoc, Rodman) but he paused and said “but... this is a possibility those kids have today” so maybe he would have done the same thing if he played today
    Jordan gets praised for wanting to be in a better situation to win because “so compe ive” but when Lebron wants the exact same thing he is a pussy
    That logic

    People also forget Jordan disappeared in 4th quarters vs the Pistons and got bailed out by Armstrong, Kerr and Paxson (and Stern)

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    I do remember that time LeBron couldn’t get past that squad with Kendrick Perkins in the starting lineup

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    I do remember that time LeBron couldn’t get past that squad with Kendrick Perkins in the starting lineup
    Kendrick would have averaged 50 ppg in the 90s

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    Hot damn

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    You want to talk about Jordan’s overrated defense ?

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    LeBron or James Harden?

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    Good trolling tbh

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    Jordan would be DeRozan today tbh, he wouldn’t be matched up against Uncle Joey from Full house or grocery bagger Stark
    Plus he hates zone defense
    Except Jordan is a psychopath while Derozan is eternally depressed and suicidal.

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    Kendrick would have averaged 50 ppg in the 90s
    The , brah.

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    Abdul Rauf would be Steph Curry on steroids in tdays NBA

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    Jordan is still is the undisputed GOAT. There's no question about that. However, old-timers would get riled up one when player, like James, gets mentioned as a potential GOAT contender. The gap between Jordan and James is closer than many people think. If the Bulls came back to try to win 4 straight in 99, they won't come out of the East or if they did, the Spurs would sweep them.

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    Jordan is still is the undisputed GOAT. There's no question about that. However, old-timers would get riled up one when player, like James, gets mentioned as a potential GOAT contender. The gap between Jordan and James is closer than many people think. If the Bulls came back to try to win 4 straight in 99, they won't come out of the East or if they did, the Spurs would sweep them.
    what is you smoking? ? First off kinfolk lemme tell ya something. Bron ain’t never won DPOY. even Dwight’s goofy ass won that . I’m too two all time in steals. Most blocks all time by a guard. Bron has never been a great one on one defender like me. In Bron’s biggest, most decisive moments it has nearly always been someone else who has stood out. Ray Allen. Chris Bosh. Dwayne Wade. even Kyrie’s 3 over Curry. The don’t want it with the game on the line. Next time you come and say there’s anything even remotely close between me and that front runner imma slap the taste out ya mommas mouth.

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    what is you smoking? ? First off kinfolk lemme tell ya something. Bron ain’t never won DPOY. even Dwight’s goofy ass won that . I’m too two all time in steals. Most blocks all time by a guard. Bron has never been a great one on one defender like me. In Bron’s biggest, most decisive moments it has nearly always been someone else who has stood out. Ray Allen. Chris Bosh. Dwayne Wade. even Kyrie’s 3 over Curry. The don’t want it with the game on the line. Next time you come and say there’s anything even remotely close between me and that front runner imma slap the taste out ya mommas mouth.
    Nice shtick, bruh. Keep it up.

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    I’ve always thought Rodman should have won Finals MVP in 96
    It is a team sport FFS
    Not to mention Jordan doesn’t really make a team better, you had to build a specific team aroind him to make it work.

    And the ringz argument is so flawed when it comes to comparing players, context is conveniently ignored

    I like how the goals posts are moved in MJ’s favor : “MJ is the GOAT cuz more ringz than Lebron” ok then Russell should be the GOAT by that logic

    Or “Jordan’s team wasn’t good enough when he started his career” or “he willed his teams to victory” yet Lebron is vilified for wanting a better situation. Is it his fault if the Celtics were much better than Cleveland? Jordan would have bolted if Krause didn’t built that team, people forget he threw the FO under the bus.
    After the decision, Jordan said he wouldn’t have joined other superstars (duh he had Scottie, the best Euro player back then who was also the best 6th man a clutch shooter and a matchup nightmare in Kukoc, Rodman) but he paused and said “but... this is a possibility those kids have today” so maybe he would have done the same thing if he played today
    Jordan gets praised for wanting to be in a better situation to win because “so compe ive” but when Lebron wants the exact same thing he is a pussy
    That logic

    People also forget Jordan disappeared in 4th quarters vs the Pistons and got bailed out by Armstrong, Kerr and Paxson (and Stern)
    We are pretty much on the same page on this topic.

    Ranking of players is largely around narratives, which is why Knicks and Lakers players get massively overrated In general as they have the most fans in the media.

    Imagine an entire free press doing for you what Kenny smith is doing for Hakeem.

    I mean, look at Willis reed. Love that guy, but in most subjective measures he’s barely a top 50 player and he’s being treated as a top ten Center of all time. Ewing is regularly ranked along Hakeem and Robinson yet both are clearly better than him. Earl Monroe is some wizard with the ball and yet he’s nothing better than Dave bing.

    Kareem had his best years with the bucks but the history books wrote him up as a Laker. Magic isn’t equal as bird but he’s ranked as better than him. Kobe isn’t even top 15 but he’s ranked alongside Lebron (solid top 3) and Duncan (top 5 or 6). Worthy better than nique? Shaq was consensus too 5 before he started his feud with Kobe publicly at which point the laker friendly press tried to give Kobe more credit (and thus shaq less) for that three peat (refs never go their due).

    Players from smaller markets (duncan, moses, Stockton, Robinson, Rick Barry) gets underrated daily. , Hakeem wasn’t on the radar until Kenny smith goes on a personal crusade to deify him.

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    Jordan is still is the undisputed GOAT. There's no question about that. However, old-timers would get riled up one when player, like James, gets mentioned as a potential GOAT contender. The gap between Jordan and James is closer than many people think. If the Bulls came back to try to win 4 straight in 99, they won't come out of the East or if they did, the Spurs would sweep them.
    35 year old Mario Elie was gonna slow down the defending scoring champ and MVP?

    3 of the Spurs starters were out of the NBA within 2 seasons. You wouldn't have gotten Kerr either

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    Jordan would be DeRozan today tbh, he wouldn’t be matched up against Uncle Joey from Full house or grocery bagger Stark
    Plus he hates zone defense
    I was thinking Rip Hamilton

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    I’ve always thought Rodman should have won Finals MVP in 96
    It is a team sport FFS
    Not to mention Jordan doesn’t really make a team better, you had to build a specific team aroind him to make it work.

    And the ringz argument is so flawed when it comes to comparing players, context is conveniently ignored

    I like how the goals posts are moved in MJ’s favor : “MJ is the GOAT cuz more ringz than Lebron” ok then Russell should be the GOAT by that logic

    Or “Jordan’s team wasn’t good enough when he started his career” or “he willed his teams to victory” yet Lebron is vilified for wanting a better situation. Is it his fault if the Celtics were much better than Cleveland? Jordan would have bolted if Krause didn’t built that team, people forget he threw the FO under the bus.
    After the decision, Jordan said he wouldn’t have joined other superstars (duh he had Scottie, the best Euro player back then who was also the best 6th man a clutch shooter and a matchup nightmare in Kukoc, Rodman) but he paused and said “but... this is a possibility those kids have today” so maybe he would have done the same thing if he played today
    Jordan gets praised for wanting to be in a better situation to win because “so compe ive” but when Lebron wants the exact same thing he is a pussy
    That logic

    People also forget Jordan disappeared in 4th quarters vs the Pistons and got bailed out by Armstrong, Kerr and Paxson (and Stern)
    Are you familiar how Jordan and Pippen treated Kukoc in the 1992 Olympics?

    LeBron would have taken him out to dinner. Slapped ass and danced on the court.

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    90s NBA defenders

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    90s NBA defenders
    Today's player would have launched a 3

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    Today's player would have launched a 3
    That's true #analytics

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    The rings argument is not 6>3, imo.

    It's the fact that Jordan didn't have to go to 12 finals to get those 6 rings like Lebron would need to to attain that.

    It's fact that nobody even took him to a game 7 in the Finals. It's not like all those teams were weak. The Lakers were probably the worst finals opponent they had. There were some decent defenders he faced like Russell (it was a push off) and Gary Payton.

    It's the killer instinct factor that stat sheets and John Hollinger do not account for. We all know Chicago only ran that triangle for 3 quarters. Then Jordan would often just take over. Something we do not see a lot of from Lebron. And I tend to give LBJ a pass on that as he often does make the right basketball play, even if it does not result in a W. But there are some unpardonable sins on his resume that will not be forgotten. Getting outsocred by Jet Terry in an NBA finals -- a bronze medal(lol), poor free throw shooting in the clutch and being carried off the floor all cramped up during another embarrassing Finals loss.

    Lebron is likely the most physically gifted athlete the world has ever seen. I think he would be an all pro football or baseball player as well. But when it comes to drive and killer instinct, the closest we have seen a player come to Jordan is Kobe.

    I’ve always thought Rodman should have won Finals MVP in 96
    It is a team sport FFS
    Not to mention Jordan doesn’t really make a team better, you had to build a specific team aroind him to make it work.

    And the ringz argument is so flawed when it comes to comparing players, context is conveniently ignored

    I like how the goals posts are moved in MJ’s favor : “MJ is the GOAT cuz more ringz than Lebron” ok then Russell should be the GOAT by that logic

    Or “Jordan’s team wasn’t good enough when he started his career” or “he willed his teams to victory” yet Lebron is vilified for wanting a better situation. Is it his fault if the Celtics were much better than Cleveland? Jordan would have bolted if Krause didn’t built that team, people forget he threw the FO under the bus.
    After the decision, Jordan said he wouldn’t have joined other superstars (duh he had Scottie, the best Euro player back then who was also the best 6th man a clutch shooter and a matchup nightmare in Kukoc, Rodman) but he paused and said “but... this is a possibility those kids have today” so maybe he would have done the same thing if he played today
    Jordan gets praised for wanting to be in a better situation to win because “so compe ive” but when Lebron wants the exact same thing he is a pussy
    That logic

    People also forget Jordan disappeared in 4th quarters vs the Pistons and got bailed out by Armstrong, Kerr and Paxson (and Stern)

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