gay marriage banned

[gtownspur]

That's precisely the point, I think.

Assuming that you're not addressing this as some abstract issue, accepting that view would mean that you have no problem with government recognizing a union between two men or two women, just so long as government doesn't call it a "marriage."

But at that point, you're just talking semantics -- semantics that make a difference to you, but semantics nonetheless.

The govt doesnt have to recognize anything. Just give them visitation rights and other rights.

[efrem1]

Legislating Christian morals, Texas becomes a theorcracy. Probably over 50% of the 80% voting against gay marriage are fall into one or more of these categories:

1) hetero and cheating on their spouse
2) divorced (many more more than once)
3) unhappy as in their marriage
4) beating their spouse
5) abusing their children
6) abusing substances
7) gay but in the closet

Kansas repeats its rejection of evolution, confirming its role as harbinger of the Christian Dark Ages.

Yea Boutons how I pine for those "dark ages." If you were living in the Soviet Union or Red China, you would have seen the apex of the humanist dark ages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_revolution

[cherylsteele]

I never implied that sexuality should be illegal... again, in the end people will follow their hearts.... Having said that, I would add that I don't believe all paths are righteous ones (and yes I'm en led to that belief).


Read my other posts; I'm fine with the issue and know where I stand. I was making the point that children would be more affected by this mainstream shift and would have difficulty understanding it. In a satirical way you could explain the typical "birds and the bees" concept at the appropriate age but then you would also have to explain the adendum clause that included why little Billy had two daddys and no mommy.



Yeah I know, I don't believe I directed an inflamatory statement to anyone here. Besides, that ideal is something I mentioned in an earlier post.

True, I'm not denying that either. The same freedoms that allow sexuals to pursue their lifestyle allow me to believe in my relationship with God; those are the sacred freedoms this country provides and yet people still have the audicity to mock "Christians". Some of us have actually thought about the issues at hand and don't ignorantly accept everything people tell us.

For example, I was laughing inside when Bill Maher (from his 'I'm Swiss' Standup gig) was poking fun of Bush because Bush had made a statement saying that the theories of Darwinistic Evolution and Divine Creation should both be taught in schools. Bill then proceded to make blanket statements that were way out of his league... passing them off as facts with the intent of making Bush look like an ignorant fool. Now, I don't honestly believe that Bush knows all of the particulars surrounding the theory of evolution (especially when you consider he was only a 'C' student throughout school). But if Bill Maher only knew what I do on the subject then he would realize how fundamentally flawed the theory of evolution was (I wouldn't necesarily push for him to accept divine creation as fact either but his malicious contempt towards Christians would be beyond evident at that point).

I saw your other posts and understood your position....I just hear those reasons all the time and think they are stupid....wasn't directing it at you in that way...sorry for the misunderstanding.

[gtownspur]

^^are you a porn star?

[cherylsteele]

^^are you a porn star?

What in the world do mean by that?


Are you directing a porn movie?

[boutons]

The European Dark Ages was the period where the Church dominated culture.
The Enlightenment was not named so accidentally.

In the US, we currently have a childish, magicial Biblical "ideology", as anti-human and darkening as any listed above, denying and negating rationality and science.

[efrem1]

In the US, we currently have a childish, magicial Biblical "ideology", as anti-human and darkening as any listed above, denying and negating rationality and science.

Yes Boutons and now your ideology has metasesized (sic) into postmodernism. You maybe wrong, but you maybe right. You could be right today, but not at noon tomorrow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism

[jochhejaam]

In the US, we currently have a childish, magicial Biblical "ideology", as anti-human and darkening as any listed above, denying and negating rationality and science.

Could you possibly more clearly define whay you mean by "childish, magical biblical ideology and be more specific about it denies and negates rationality?
While your at it explain how and why your mature anti-biblical ideology is superior? Please cite examples.

[boutons]

You want to tar me as a postmodernist because I'm against the American Dark Ages based on evangelicals' magical interpretation of Genesis, the Bible as scientifically accurate and literally true?

That's a silly strectch. Try a different label of tar.

[efrem1]

If there is no Genesis, then there are no miracles, no resurrection, no God. Postmodernism "represent [s] the culmination of the process of modernity towards an accelerating pace of cultural change, to a point where constant change has in fact become the status quo, leaving the notion of progress, obsolete." That is what I mean when your definitions of right and wrong change almost hourly. Culturaly, incest might be acceptable to you in 20 years. how about mass murder? Maybe those people "had it coming" in your opinion. After all, right and wrong are just subjective. I find that frightening.

[jochhejaam]

Originally Posted by jochhejaam: Could you possibly more clearly define whay you mean by "childish, magical biblical ideology and be more specific about it denies and negates rationality?
While your at it explain how and why your mature anti-biblical ideology is superior? Please cite examples

You want to tar me as a postmodernist because I'm against the American Dark Ages based on evangelicals' magical interpretation of Genesis, the Bible as scientifically accurate and literally true?

That's a silly strectch. Try a different label of tar.

What I asked for was clear, I assumed you would either ignore or sidestep the questions which you did.

[gtownspur]

What in the world do mean by that?


Are you directing a porn movie?

Your name sounds like a porn star. Not that it's a bad thing.

[cherylsteele]

Your name sounds like a porn star. Not that it's a bad thing.

So is Danielle Steel a possible porn star too?

One on the weathercasters on the Weather chanel is named Steele.

I as discussing the topic and you make a comment that has nothing to do with the discussion.

[gtownspur]

So is Danielle Steel a possible porn star too?

One on the weathercasters on the Weather chanel is named Steele.

I as discussing the topic and you make a comment that has nothing to do with the discussion.

Who gives a rats ass about Danielle steel. I was just wondering that's all. I know it was off topic. But if somebodies name was Harry Hoodsleeve or Jade Sky, Katie Leggs, you'd wonder the same thing too. , just wanted to know. Now that i have an idea, i could care less and i have nothing against you. THis is a forum, dumb questions are the norm.

[jochhejaam]

The Vatican officially weighs in on the issue of sexuality;

sexuality destabilizes society: Vatican paper
Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:38 AM ET



VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Vatican newspaper said on Tuesday that sexuality risked "destabilizing people and society", had no social or moral value and could never match the importance of the relationship between a man and a woman.

The remarks were contained in a long commentary published to accompany the official release of a long-awaited do ent that restricted the access of sexual men to the Roman Catholic priesthood.

The article by Monsignor Tony Anatrella, a French Jesuit and psychologist, said sexuality could not be considered an acceptable moral alternative to heterosexuality.

"During these past years, sexuality has become a phenomenon that is always increasingly worrying and in many countries is considered a quality that is normal," the article in L'Osservatore Romano said.

The article was specifically approved by the Vatican's secretariat of state.

"It ( sexuality) does not represent a social value and even less so a moral virtue that could add to the civilization of sexuality," Anatrella said. "It could even be seen as a destabilizing reality for people and for society."

The Catholic Church, the article said, had a duty to reaffirm its position that sexuality is "against conjugal life, the life of the family, and priestly life".

"In no case is this form of sexuality a sexual alternative, or even less, a reality that is equivalent to that which is shared by a man and a woman engaged in matrimonial life," the Italian-language article said.

"It ( sexuality) cannot be encouraged or even less so, supported with pastoral initiatives," it said in an apparent reference to Catholic priests who administer to sexuals without reminding them of the Church's position against gay sex.

It said sexuality was "a sexual tendency and not an iden y" and repeated the Church's stand against allowing gays to marry or to adopt children. It also called sexuality "an incomplete and immature part of human sexuality".

It repeated some themes in the Vatican do ent, and added a list of ways seminary directors could determine if a candidate for the priesthood had overcome sexual tendencies or risked not being able to respect the Church rule of priestly celibacy.

[Spurminator]

The church can marry and reject/condemn whoever it wants.

What does this have to do with my government?

[jochhejaam]

The church can marry and reject/condemn whoever it wants.

What does this have to do with my government?

Many of the people that make up our government are Catholic and are swayed by the Church's position on issues of morality. Like it or not are duly influenced by the position of the Church.

[jochhejaam]

Keep in mind our Government can make no laws respecting the establishment of religion but the Laws of the Church cannot be prevented from establishing themselves in the hearts and minds of many of those who govern.

[Guru of Nothing]

Keep in mind our Government can make no laws respecting the establishment of religion but the Laws of the Church cannot be prevented from establishing themselves in the hearts and minds of many of those who govern.

Which church?

[jochhejaam]

The church can marry and reject/condemn whoever it wants.

What does this have to do with my government?

It's incorrect to think that the laws governing our Country and society are to be free of virtue or without moral connotation.

[Guru of Nothing]

Keep in mind our Government can make no laws respecting the establishment of religion but the Laws of the Church cannot be prevented from establishing themselves in the hearts and minds of many of those who govern.

Which Church?

[Spurminator]

Many of the people that make up our government are Catholic and are swayed by the Church's position on issues of morality. Like it or not are duly influenced by the position of the Church.

And?

Might makes right?

Many of the people that make up our government are buffoons, that doesn't mean I support government buffoonery.

[gtownspur]

Which Church?

By church he means "The ecunemical christian moral community". wow that was long. But he means christian ethics and morals.

[jochhejaam]

And?

Might makes right?

Many of the people that make up our government are buffoons, that doesn't mean I support government buffoonery.

What makes it right is if the morality and laws of Christianity are being affirmed, defined and meted out on issues in their purest form and I see no innacuracies in their presentation of it.

I understand your angst towards PRobertson because of some of the tangents he may go off on but what's the problem with the position of the Vatican?

[Winehole23]

Bexar County Clerk Gerard "Gerry" Rickhoff signed a letter today, urging the state to remove the words man and woman from a marriage license application, if necessary. The Travis and Dallas County clerks also signed the letter. Rickhoff said his office is ready to start issuing licenses to same sex couples within minutes of the Supreme Court's decision.

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/news/fe...l#.VYu4ZEYdt8E