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    Again, then why the meltdown?

    Are you asking me in my capacity as CENTCOM commander?

    My uneducated guess is that the US did not expect the Taliban to make such rapid advances.
    So you agree that there is something really wrong with our so called "exit plan" correct?

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    So you agree that there is something really wrong with our so called "exit plan" correct?
    Not really. The 9/11 target date was not a great idea, but that's about it.

    You're getting what you want, so why are you melting down?

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    The 9/11 target date was not a great idea, but that's about it.
    Everything is fine

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    Everything is fine
    No, but what do you want the US to do there now?

    Step up.

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    hater, in 3 acts

    1) US should withdraw all troops! war bad! <3 tulsi

    ** US withdraws **

    2) Taliban taking over ... US getting destroyed, worse than Saigon

    ** US returning 3k troops to protect airport and let american nationals evacuate **

    3) lol US sending more troops. war bad!

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    Leaving Hussein in place would have been the better option than the show of Iraq since 2003, the unending show.

    But BigOil wanted Iraq's oil so it LIED itself into yet another geopolitical disaster.

    Repugs did kill a few of OBL's group right after 9/11, but then made the huge mistake of staying. The locals, as in Viet Nam and Iraq, have always outlasted the invasions of the American predators.
    The president's dad, the Big B, understood this with the punishment of Saddam and... leaving him in place by stopping short of Baghdad. But that was looked as a failure because Saddam was still considered a problem. When we intervened in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, we very much solved the problem at that time... the owners of oil. But Saddam was still considered an enemy, even after being given weapons to fight with Iran. It could be said we greatly reduced the effectiveness of each of those countries by aiding Saddam. So that could be considered a big win by some for that time and place.

    Vietnam is not Iraq. Iraq is not Afghanistan, Afghanistan is not Korea, Korea is not Panama... continue. The Korean war is looked at through very different lenses depending who you are. That was a huge win for South Korea. This is not so straightforward. It not only depends on whose point of view, it also depends on what time frame we look back on it.

    We have had many misadventures into the lives of others. But dont tell South Koreans, Bosnians or Yazidis in Iraq we did nothing to help them. Also, we should not forget that our misadventures in the ME and beyond that region might have greatly reduced Islamic terrorism here. We actually made this a policy theme at one time: Keep pestering them in their back yard, and they wont have the means nor the will to make trouble here. If we were to ask which country has increased strife between Sunni and Shia muslims and help continue ME conflicts we should take a bow, along with Israel. And hey we dont get missiles fired at California. We just burn it ourselves. So do we even feel the conflict...? its seems to me we sit at keyboards monitoring it, but we dont really feel it.

    To me so much of this depends on who you are, how you were involved, and how you feel at THIS point in time. my blather...

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    hater, in 3 acts

    1) US should withdraw all troops! war bad! <3 tulsi

    ** US withdraws **

    2) Taliban taking over ... US getting destroyed, worse than Saigon

    ** US returning 3k troops to protect airport and let american nationals evacuate **

    3) lol US sending more troops. war bad!
    Pretty much.
    As long as each step makes the US look like wimps.
    Now if we had Putin or Assad as our leader...

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    hater, in 3 acts

    1) US should withdraw all troops! war bad! <3 tulsi

    ** US withdraws **

    2) Taliban taking over ... US getting destroyed, worse than Saigon

    ** US returning 3k troops to protect airport and let american nationals evacuate **

    3) lol US sending more troops. war bad!
    Fake news again

    Its not a withdrawal if your sending back 3,000 troops

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    Fake news again

    Its not a withdrawal if your sending back 3,000 troops
    If that's your definition, you said you wanted the troops sent there so you aren't in favor of a withdrawal.

    Lane picked.

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    If that's your definition, you want the troops sent there so you aren't in favor of a withdrawal.

    Lane picked.
    Im in favor

    We are just not doing it since we are sending thousands in.

    This up is on Biden forever

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    God help our americans.

    Taliban are now 9 miles away from Kabul

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    Im in favor

    We are just not doing it since we are sending thousands in.

    This up is on Biden forever
    You said you wanted to leave for 20 years.

    Now you say leaving is a up.

    This is on the record forever.

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    When someone occupies your home for 20 years and s your wife, raises your kids and improves their lives... then one day says ' it I'm leaving", you didn't "win" just because you camped out close by and came back in afterward to declare victory.

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    DMC weighs in with no opinion.

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    When someone occupies your home for 20 years and s your wife, raises your kids and improves their lives... then one day says ' it I'm leaving", you didn't "win" just because you camped out close by and came back in afterward to declare victory.
    Thats a fun story to tell the US embassy workers destroying do ents, computers and american flags throughout the night.

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    Thats a fun story to tell the US embassy workers destroying do ents, computers and american flags throughout the night.
    Oh no, not the flags!

    We were there to get OBL (supposedly). We had no beef with the Taliban until they didn't comply. 20 years of getting the kicked out of them for it, plus OBL was in Pakistan. There are worse countries (like NK) who treat people as bad or worse, and won't even let them leave. Maybe we should camp out in NK a while.

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    Oh no, not the flags!
    Oh no the choppers!

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    Oh no the choppers!
    I can see you're worried sick over it. It's a wonder more of you folks didn't enlist.

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    I can see you're worried sick over it. It's a wonder more of you folks didn't enlist.
    I can see you are not.

    Its a wonder more of you folks dont scratch their ass while on the couch.

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    Oh no, not the flags!

    We were there to get OBL (supposedly). We had no beef with the Taliban until they didn't comply. 20 years of getting the kicked out of them for it, plus OBL was in Pakistan. There are worse countries (like NK) who treat people as bad or worse, and won't even let them leave. Maybe we should camp out in NK a while.
    3 trillion spent, hundreds of thousands of civilians dead and we didnt even their wives

    Now we are running to the choppers because they are coming.

    Yeah we won alright ..

    We also won in Vietnam.

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    3 trillion spent, hundreds of thousands of civilians dead and we didnt even their wives

    Now we are running to the choppers because they are coming.

    Yeah we won alright ..

    We also won in Vietnam.
    They are coming because we're leaving. They had 20 years.

    "We"

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    Pat Tillman died for this?
    Then Pat's parents called Bush2 everything but a white man.

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    Oh, DMC is declaring victory.

    I guess that should have been predicted.

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    They are coming because we're leaving. They had 20 years.

    "We"
    Were leaving because they are.coming.

    "We"

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