Someone posted “unintentional elbow.” I was responding to that.
I don’t know a lot about Isaiah Stewart the person. I do watch most Pistons games. I know him as a basketball player. He doesn’t take from other players. He won’t be punked. And he won’t back down. That’s from watching him for some 80+ NBA regular season games. He hasn’t thrown any punches or gotten in any actual fights in an NBA game. But he’s often in the middle of physical confrontations and scuffles with other big guys. And he’s not looking for people to hold him back. That wasn’t a tough guy act last night. He was bulldozing tackles from his own teammates, coaches, and staff to get back at LeBron. That wasn’t some let me act tough and I hope someone stops me right before I get there. Dude had blood in his eyes and blood on his mind while chopping arm tackles like Aaron Donald. I just don’t see how anyone watches that unfold last night and thinks that was a fake tough guy act. Seriously.very possible. then again, you could say the same about nearly every one of these situations that come up and the seeming desire to fight comes after the two parties are separated by a sea of people, yet many are quick to label all those other situations as "fake tough guy" acts.
i dont know a thing about stewart, but since hes a player on your favorite team that you follow closely, i believe what you say about the guy
Maybe I should not say elbow was unintentional but hitting him in the face and drawing blood was.
I’m not some huge Bron defender or fan. He a Laker now I ride with him and never hated him even when I preferred Kobe. He was rightly suspended but not sure why there is the revisionist history to paint him as a villain or dirty by some. Is he a diva narrative controlling egotistical prick etc? Abso inglutely but so was Kobe and MJ
Last edited by Killakobe81; 11-23-2021 at 09:33 AM.
Come on guys, bear with him
James just had a difficult week, emotionally, spiritually , physically, financially
Still laughing at that loose bal fall on Stewart.
Again reporting is a strong word in today’s media climate … but Broussard is claiming Bron did apologize in moment and again I saw comments from attendees court side (obviously laker fans) that said same … take both with a grain of salt but you asked.
Last edited by Killakobe81; 11-23-2021 at 11:11 AM.
That don't mean punck a guy in the face and apologize don't absolve you of anything
Didn’t say it did … just provided context
I’d like to hear LeBron or Stewart actually confirm what was said between them before Stewart snapped. Anyone guessing what LeBron said or was going to say doesn’t provide context. It’s as much conjecture as what any one of us could suggest what happened. I don’t want to hear Anthony Davis say LeBron was moving towards him to say sorry. That’s also assuming. I want to hear LeBron say, “I said sorry.” Or Stewart say, “he apologized, and I didn’t care.” Short of that, still conjecture.
And again, like:
“Damn, bro, my bad. But you shouldn’t have dug your elbow into me. That’s what you get.”
“Chill the out. Damn, sorry, ok.”
“You’re acting like a , but I apologize.”
Those types of “apologies” can still set a person off. And I’m not suggesting that’s what LeBron did or say. I don’t know what was said. But my point is that someone can technically “apologize” and still frame in it a way that angers the other guy. Broussard or McMenamin or Wilbon can say LeBron apologized all they want. LeBron has to confirm it. Stewart has to confirm it. Anyone in the media especially saying it isn’t enough.
Of course it’s conjecture or at least hearsay if not from the two players involved. However I think if you are being realistic the ref, game mics, people in front row and other players and coaches are reliable witness to an apology or at least can be. Seems like a direct statement from the guilty parties is not unreasonable but a pretty high bar in this case, where all we are arguing is if we think it was intentional, if Bron was apologetic and if it was sincere. At the end of the day we can only make judgments on what we have.
I think he was apologetic In moment based on what I saw (and was told) I do not know how sincere it was … and even if Bron or Stewart shares what was said it still won’t prove sincerity if the tone was sarcastic or dismissive. All we can hope for is leaked audio so we can make our own conclusions.
Stephen NostalgiA Smith
Lebron was like: "Hold me back! Hold me back!... Wait!... For the sake of god. Please someone hold HIM back, while I'm stranding here trying to save face!“
What players said LeBron actually apologized? I believe Anthony Davis may have said LeBron went over to apologize. Not that he did apologize. Not the same thing. Did Vogel say anything? Maybe I haven’t read all reported accounts. But I haven’t heard someone confirm there was an actual apology in the moment. If there is or was, from a player or referee who was right there, then I take back everything. All the media say it so matter-of-factly, but say it in a way that’s still presumptive. “He was going over to Stewart to apologize.” Not “LeBron apologized.” That’s not reliable witness accounting. That’s still conjecture.
I think it should be a pretty high bar to set because Isaiah Stewart flipped the out. If LeBron clearly and unquestionably apologized sincerely, then Stewart is a ing nut job that needs a psych eval and anger management help. If LeBron said, “chill the out. Sorry. But don’t be a about it,” then Stewart’s actions are much more understandable. That’s why it’s important to know what was said. That’s why the reliability of someone saying what was said is just as important.
I want to know because I want to know how much of Isaiah Stewart’s crazy is on him. And if it’s all on him and none of it on LeBron’s words or reaction to the foul, then that changes my opinion of Isaiah Stewart as a mentally stable player for my home team. That’s why the bar should be set pretty high to find out what was said and the reliability of people who are claiming what was said.
Also, side note on all the stories about LeBron seeking Stewart’s phone number after the game to apologize. Wtf is that? Everyone from Wilbon to Shams to old man Johnson at the barbershop insisting on screaming and shouting how LeBron tried to get Isaiah Stewart’s phone number. He’s ing LeBron James. If he wanted to get Stewart’s number, he could get Stewart’s number. Why does it have to be reported from the four letter network to the Apple Daily Taiwan News that he tried to get his number? It’s about as disingenuous a PR stunt as “The Decision.” You want to call the dude to apologize? Then call him and apologize. Don’t make sure every news outlet reports it. outta here.
Without seeing what happened I can safely assume LeBron was in the wrong
Or it could’ve just been Lebron saying “good call” when Stewart somehow fouled Lebrons elbow with his face.
Well in the presser tonight he says he went over to apologize but sounds like Stewart wasn’t feeling it. He goes on to say accidental and explain how it happened but of course this could be a PR move and we know he likes to control narratives. I believe him Jam but don’t blame ya if you don’t…
Lebron a snitch and a dirty lmao
Killakobe81,
How come you still don’t understand the difference between “going to apologize” and actually apologizing. It’s like the biggest part of my point in order to judge whether we can kind of understand why Stewart acted the way he did or whether he’s just a ing nutjob. LeBron could have “intended” to apologize all he wanted. If he didn’t, then Stewart could have never viewed the situation as LeBron trying to apologize.
Say you take your lady out to a really nice restaurant. Have a great time, great meal. And right when you get up from the table, someone accidentally spills some wine on you. You go clean up in the restroom. And leave. Oh, you were “going to pay the bill,” but then that happened. There’s a difference between “intending” to pay the bill and actually paying the bill.
There still has yet to be confirmation of an “actual” apology. So we can’t assume that Stewart flipped the out despite an apology. And LeBron himself said he “went over to apologize.” He didn’t say he apologized. That’s what I’ve been getting at.
Read the rest of LeBron’s comments. Called the suspension bull . Cried how it prevented him from playing in his favorite place to play, MSG. Poor baby. Blames Stewart for how he lifted his arm and got them off balanced. Says he tried to do a swim move and swung “down.” So now he swung “down.” The video was perfectly clear, and he claims he swung “down.” And then called his hit on Stewart a “graze” to his face. A closed fist that cut the guy open in the eye, a graze. Such a good guy being persecuted so harshly. They should probably give him a sportsmanship award. And the four letter story adds he has not spoken to Stewart yet. So those “reached out to get his number to apologize” stories were obviously a PR stunt. Oh but he sounds so genuinely remorseful and so sincere...
LeBron James apparently can’t get the phone number of a fellow NBA player. Must be someone else’s fault for that too. Poor common folk like LeBron certainly don’t have the juice or the connections to get just anybody’s phone number...
Come on, man.
Last edited by JamStone; 11-25-2021 at 09:46 AM.
Doesn't look very "accidental" to me (first 40 s of video).
Please relax I may have worded it poorly but Bron did not say he apologized in presser he only says he went over to do so. I figured you would have seen it by now. So there isn’t anything to get I heard it. He says he wanted to apologize but we could see what happened… (paraphrasing) have not heard Stewart’s account
Last edited by Killakobe81; 11-25-2021 at 10:18 PM.
I find it interesting how much you claim lebron's supposed apology is based in "conjecture", but your constant defense of Stanley's reaction and dismissal of lebron's apology and attempt to get Stanley's contact info is likewise based on conjecture
Not sure why none of the press wanted to get Stewart’s side of the story. His number must be really hard to get.
I’m not defending Stewart’s (not Stanley) reaction. That’s the thing. I thought Stewart’s behavior was egregious, over the top, and disturbing. There’s no defending his behavior. I thought he deserved more games in his suspension. And if LeBron actually apologized or said anything in a way to be apologetic (which we still don’t know), then it puts Stewart in an even worse light. It means, to me at least, the guy is mentally unstable and should get help. Because if he flips out after an apology, he’ll probably react similarly after other episodes that do not warrant such reactions. And that’s a dangerous 6’8, 250 physical specimen of a dude on the court. When he was being held back by Cade Cunningham, he could have easily seriously injured Cade. And I would have been pissed.
My desire to know what was said is to find out if there is any rational reason that Stewart flipped out like that. If LeBron said or acted in any way that could be seen as triggering Stewart to react in such a way, that somewhat changes the narrative. That’s why I offered the types of hypothetical comments that could have helped explain why someone would have gotten so full of rage.
And I keep saying that LeBron going to Stewart intending to apologize is not the same as LeBron apologizing because that’s exactly the information needed to determine how crazy Stewart’s reaction was. It’s conjecture either way, yes. Because we still don’t know that LeBron actually apologized. And LeBron himself didn’t say he actually apologized. To me, that’s telling.
Ass cakes?
Stewart basically got punched in the face and then started bleeding everywhere. The blood probably just pissed him off and he went off. It's understandable
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