why are super red states dystopian holes?

[Winehole23]

You're free to throw money at whatever you want, ergo you have the control. Get after it. I know you want a group movement where you get to spectate and yell from the stands, but that's proven to not change the outcomes of games. Plus, you responded to me. You know my opinion already on idle ing.

How are you changing the outcome of the game?

Btw, thanks for continuing to talk about me, I'm sure other posters find it super interesting!

[HemisfairArena]

(As far as policing our neighborhoods go, throwing money at the police doesn't seem to be doing the trick[the US spends more money on police than anyone], maybe we should start throwing more money at the determinants of the problem like poverty, jobs and access to capital and ins utions.)

So lets see there, Wine Ho,,,by your philosophy,,,we should stop throwing money at cancer research and a cure but instead throw money at the companies causing cancer like the tobacco industry. Is that what youre telling?

[HemisfairArena]

And wine ho,,,thats what you democrats do,,,they raised prices on cigarettes,,,barred people from smoking in establishments,,,,tell me how that worked out for ya. They thought just like you did,,,go after the source instead of supporting the solution. People will always smoke,,,,so the end game is create a cure. You democrats never think ahead.

[ChumpDumper]

That was a whole lot of stupid in two posts.

[DMC]

How are you changing the outcome of the game?

Btw, thanks for continuing to talk about me, I'm sure other posters find it super interesting!

I'm not changing anything. I just come here for the refreshments.

Throwing money at poverty. Because money is the reason poverty exists. It's not ins utionalized racism.

What more do you need than control of the political offices that make these changes? That's what the dems have now, had then. Didn't do .

"but Manchin"
"but Biden"

Two mother ers the left voted for.

[Winehole23]

I'm not changing anything. I just come here for the refreshments.

Throwing money at poverty. Because money is the reason poverty exists. It's not ins utionalized racism.

it doesn't seem clear to me that material deprivation and the existence of racism are mutually exclusive, how did you reach that conclusion?

[DMC]

it doesn't seem clear to me that material deprivation and the existence of racism are mutually exclusive, how did you reach that conclusion?

So throw money at racism?

"These people are bleeding to death! How can we stop this and prevent it in the future!"

WH "Throw blood at them"

[Winehole23]

So throw money at racism?

"These people are bleeding to death! How can we stop this and prevent it in the future!"

WH "Throw blood at them"

typical semantic sophism.

do continue, you're just starting to impress.

[koriwhat]

All I can say is, living in the greatest of red states, Texas, I have yet to almost step in human feces but while visiting California, back in 2019, I was hard pressed to find a sidewalk not riddled with human or piss. If Texas is a dystopian hole then I'll take it 10/10!

[DMC]

typical semantic sophism.

do continue, you're just starting to impress.

Typical sedentary internet alarmist.

You've not impressed, not even close.

[Winehole23]

Typical sedentary internet alarmist.

You've not impressed, not even close.

I wasn't trying to impress anyone, I was just responding to you moping about the lack of policing in "muh neighborhood"

[RandomGuy]

You cherry picked data sets to back up your "hypothesis", ignoring newer data for confirmation bias supporting older samples. You'd not make a good scientist. You also picked three metrics that you personally chose as proof.
Had you picked metrics that are accepted as defining for what you're going for, that'd be different. You can't be both the standard and the variable.

Feel free to provide alternate metrics for human well being.

Be specific.

[RandomGuy]

I threw out a lot of lists and maps and made some conclusions. Even then I don't consider any of that to be an hypothesis because I didn't actually test any of it. I started looking at the available data and just noticed that the IMR for whites in these red states doesn't e above the noise nationally, nor does the IMR for blacks statewide, however since blacks have such a higher IMR, the clustering of high IMR births in certain areas would naturally elevate the average. It seems then that, although 6.5 or so IMR for whites is higher than some other areas, 13 for blacks is 2x that so should be the concern. Instead though, you wanted to use the average. It's probably not a good idea to ignore disparities and focus instead on averages.

I won't follow your "political control" red herring. I've already shown (and you've admitted) that it is likely more correlation than causation, and you've completely ignored underlying factors. Someone with a real hypothesis wouldn't do that.

DMC: I spit on your hypothesis. it isn't even scientific

RG: [demostrates it fits the logical scientific form] Ok then provide your own hypothesis.

DMC: no. your metrics suck.

RG: ok, provide an alternate set of metrics

DMC: no. look how bad it is for black people. I win the the argument. neener neener.

[RandomGuy]

The thread backfired on RG..

So lets start with infant mortality rate. download the table from https://www.kff.org/other/state-indi...2:%22asc%22%7D
Life expectancy: download the table from https://www.kff.org/other/state-indi...2:%22asc%22%7D
Education, high school graduate percentage downloaded dataset https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...-by-state.html

Took an average from all states for each metric. Any state with a stat below average was put into the running for that stat.

The following states were below average on all three, IMR, life-expectancy, and high school graduation rate:

Alabama
Arkansas
Georgia
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Nevada
North Carolina
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Tennessee
West Virginia

These states meet the definition of "dystopian holes", i.e. lower than average in education, infant mortality and life expectancy.

Soooo next step. To determine control of state government of each of those states. Two out of three Executive, house, senage at state level.

Ballotopedia provided a decent data. https://ballotpedia.org/Partisan_com...e_legislatures


A state is a red state if it has a republican control of two out of the three: Governor, house, senate

Alabama red
Arkansas red
Georgia red
Mississippi red
Missouri red
Oklahoma red
South Carolina red
Tennessee red
West Virginia red
North Carolina red
Kentucky red
Louisiana red

Nevada Blue

All but NC, KY, and LA are trifectas. Those three have the fascist party firmly in control of the state legislature, and democratic governors

Pattern is very clear.

[DMC]

Yes, you people Care So Much, and have such Good Intentions, which is why liberal enclaves like Austin, Portland, etc. have solved all racial inequality since 1965, rather than making inequality worse through gentrification, NIMBYism, policy fads, etc.

There’s a part of me that thinks that a place like Minneapolis deserves it. The self-righteous cat lady progressives pay lip service to solving racial problems, Black people believe them and vote in progressives, then either nothing changes or it gets worse, and so Black people start to think maybe the whole system has to be burnt down.

You come on here and start smug threads like this, which are all about how superior you and your kind are to the other kind of white people, in Oklahoma. The kind who can’t maintain roads or whatever.

Valid Criticisms for the most part.

Still, it is a stupid "both sides" argument. Lazy cynicism that underlies the fact that Republican knee-jerk policy solutions literally do nothing, and purposefully so.

Even hypocritical sops offer better than ... nothing.

I think that the stark fact that so many of hte states that I looked at are below national averages in three seperate categories of well-being, would seem to prove that out.

Whatever Democrats are or should be or Republicans are or should be... the fact remains:

States in which Republicans run the legislative process... tend to do worse for their citizens in general.

DMC: I spit on your hypothesis. it isn't even scientific

RG: [demostrates it fits the logical scientific form] Ok then provide your own hypothesis.

DMC: no. your metrics suck.

RG: ok, provide an alternate set of metrics

DMC: no. look how bad it is for black people. I win the the argument. neener neener.

Putting words in people's mouths to try to steal a "w" here isn't going to work. You were wrong about education, wrong about IMR and life expectancy means not much after about 70. Of course you dilute the black man's life expectancy using white numbers.

ES sent it, you caught it right in your gaping maw.

[DMC]

"life expectancy"

[DMC]

I wasn't trying to impress anyone, I was just responding to you moping about the lack of policing in "muh neighborhood"

Since the facts don't flatter you, you're relegated to lying. I never said anything about my neighborhood or the lack of policing. I said they also aren't trying to police the world while not being able to police their own neighborhoods. I guess putting "muh" before everything instantly renders things unimportant though.

The fact is that I didn't ask you, and that you were more focused on me than on the topic else you'd have known I was referring to other countries, not neighborhoods.

[Ef-man]

"life expectancy"

The least black populated states touting longevity!

There are less than 100k blacks in Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, SD, and ND.

[DMC]

The least black populated states touting longevity!

There are less than 100k blacks in Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, SD, and ND.

Black life expectancy is still the same. Population doesn't matter here, idiot

The point isn't to show who's better or worse here as far as states, but the disparity between black and white life expectancies. If you're going to advertise your life expectancy numbers, and you're not ing out the disparity, you're only advertising to whites.

[DMC]

all this and still RG's family is kept here in Texas, a red state that shortens their life expectancy and lowers their potential income and education.

[RandomGuy]

"life expectancy"

So what?

Seriously, explain exactly what this means. Use your words.

[RandomGuy]

Putting words in people's mouths to try to steal a "w" here isn't going to work. You were wrong about education, wrong about IMR and life expectancy means not much after about 70. Of course you dilute the black man's life expectancy using white numbers.

ES sent it, you caught it right in your gaping maw.

That is neither a testable hypothesis, nor any suggested metrics for well-being to test for dystopian holes.

Nor does it explain how those bad black people are skewing wyomings IMR.

So much fail. You. Suck. So. Bad. At. This.

[RandomGuy]

all this and still RG's family is kept here in Texas, a red state that shortens their life expectancy and lowers their potential income and education.

Can't resist the personal attack. smh

Your go-to when you know, deep down, you are losing badly.

You will note Texas didn't make the list, dip , so you can't even get the nasty personal attack right.

Jesus you are dumb.

[DarrinS]

Oddly enough, Californians moving in droves to super red states. Oh well.

[DMC]

So what?

Seriously, explain exactly what this means. Use your words.

It's simple actually but you don't read my words. You haven't so far so I show you big pictures.

These averages you're showing mean if you don't fall into an average, like if you're black or some other minority whose numbers get diluted in the avalanche of majority (white) stats.

You say a red state has the lowest life expectancy. You're celebrating the life expectancy of blue states with lower black populations. Rhode Island has the lowest life expectancy for blacks.

Either way, the concave, almost vertical slope on that chart for black is in stark contrast to the convex, much better outlook chart for whites. What do you do? You take the "better state for white people" approach and pretend "white people" is "all people".