We Still Need a Point Guard

[KobesAchilles]

I really hope you pick up the phone and let the front office know.

I did.

[BackHome]

2024 has a couple of good PG and also SF so with any luck we can get our man either with our pick or with Raptors pick - This team is still not built to make long run in the Playoffs there are other positions we need to upgrade. A lot of peoples pet cats are going to get traded in the very near future as some of these draft picks are going to allow us to bring in better talent

[TeKu]

So what?

You take the chance - and the Spurs are not mortgaging their future -

you try to do everything - EVERY YEAR that wemby is a spur -there are no guarantees that in 2-3-4 years everything will fall perfectly on your timeline/schedule
gtfo

It's that thinking that ends up with debacles like Westbrook to the Lakers, Gobert to the Wolves, Durant to the Suns etc... it's never been the Spur MO.

It'll be much more like the Nuggets timeline. Homegrown stars (Murray, Joker), supplemented by well timed targeted trades for the best support around those stars (KCP, Gordon) once they know what is needed by seeing the 'stars' develop.

And point guard will be one of those support positions with a solid 'add a little/take nothing away' team player. Tre Jones is pretty much that already, with a track record of improvement. I'm keen to see how he develops further this season.

[scott]

You're still missing the point. In order to get Morris, you have to use a pick and take on his salary. Tack-on costs include not knowing whether he's a cultural fit and that you'd then have to do something with Graham. (Morris is also a bad defender.) I think Morris is on an expiring, so at least you don't have to work to get rid of him after this year. But overall it just doesn't make sense. You're making a marginal, at-most lateral move when Morris isn't better than Graham enough to do it.

But I agree about the top PGs.

A second round pick and the incremental salary are non-factors, because neither are scarce around here, so there is no point missed, not one that matters to anyone with a functioning brain anyway. Everything else, you're basically just repeating what I already said (verbatim: "but Devonte Graham may be plenty good enough as well")... so... thanks? Is arguing just your default nature and something you do just for the sake of it?

[spurraider21]

5 won't get it done. Nobody has traded into top 6 with just future picks. Trade a young All star or ridiculous amounts of picks nobody can refuse. 7-8 is getting into wtf territory for mid lottery that should get it done even then teams just fall in love with prospects and would rather pick their guy, the package your offering would just affirm their evaluation of players in that range. Take note that UTA with 6 extra unprotected and a pick close to that range also tried to get Black.

nobody is getting 5 firsts for the #6 overall picks unless they’re all protected

[RC_Drunkford]

Vassell is untouchable. Windhorst said today the Spurs love Vassell and that he‘s Most likely the 2nd untouchable Player on the team

[spurraider21]

As well he should be. Untouchable is strong but I’d move anybody else over him including sochan

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

oh lawd rookie contract dejounte trying to make a layup in transition ...

[Ariel]

The same TP that Murray went on an interview to cry about him not even being there for him his entire time he was on the team? IIRC, he was basically saying TP ghosted him and wanted to have nothing to do with him.

The justification Dejounte Murray gave for claiming that was pathetic, from "he should have stayed to mentor me" to "I should have been the starter and they were playing mind games with me" (I'm paraphrasing but those were almost literal). When you're that deluded you're going to interpret anything however you please no matter the facts, but it doesn't have to be that way for someone else.

[Mr. Body]

A second round pick and the incremental salary are non-factors, because neither are scarce around here, so there is no point missed, not one that matters to anyone with a functioning brain anyway. Everything else, you're basically just repeating what I already said (verbatim: "but Devonte Graham may be plenty good enough as well")... so... thanks? Is arguing just your default nature and something you do just for the sake of it?

Cool, so you wasted resources on a player the team already has in essence and one who is worse in defense. Why did you make that move? Now you have to figure out what to do with Graham.

[R. DeMurre]

I'n not overly concerned about the PG position, at least not yet. The Spurs can solidify it at some point in the next few years, but I wouldn't be obsessed with the idea of finding some uber athletic traditional 6'2" PG who puts up gaudy numbers, because those types tend to 1. be extremely expensive, and 2. not win championships. The John Wall, Russell Westbrook, De'Aaron Fox, Trae Young types are exciting to watch but also tend to cause issues with team building. Chris Paul, Steve Nash, and John Stockton are arguably three of the greatest point guards ever and have zero rings in many tries. For me the target should be a guy who's 6'4", plays defense, and is a steady reliable character-- Jrue Holiday, Derrick White types. The inexpensive option I like right now is Delon Wright, who's got great size, and is one of the most underrated defenders in the league. My main goal, big picture, would be to find Wemby his Scottie Pippen, Kawhi Leonard, or Jimmy Butler... not his Damian Lillard.

[rankingtear]

nobody is getting 5 firsts for the #6 overall picks unless they’re all protected

Either way it has never been done before because of reasons from either side. Some posters still think this was possible that the FO just wasn't trying enough.

[EricB]

agreed. Which is why I think we need to bring in a good point guard this year. They should’ve sacrificed those picks to bring in Anthony Black.

the price to move up was 4 firsts, including the hawks picks.

you’re nuts if you think that’s smart to do.

[spurraider21]

the price to move up was 4 firsts, including the hawks picks.

you’re nuts if you think that’s smart to do.

Link?

[Spurs Homer]

I'd love Lillard if they were just giving him away like that. Don't see it though.

Exactly. Spurs are in a position to find a way to get him creatively -

just remember when the spurs were put in the same - no in a WORSE - position by kawhitter -

he not only said - "i only want to go here" - he also TANKED his own value by playing cutesy with his injury and rehab -

all of us fans here were DREAMING we could get this star or that star or all those FRP's, etc
we got SOMETHING back and spurs front office came away with something much LESS than what kawhi's perceived value was -

so spurs mgmt should KNOW EXACTLY what portland front office is going thru and all their talk and strong demands will fall by the wayside when the spurs find a creative solution and the spurs are stacked with young players who are possible rotation players and picks of all kinds

this is malpractice if they do NOT try and fleece portland

[baseline bum]

Exactly. Spurs are in a position to find a way to get him creatively -

just remember when the spurs were put in the same - no in a WORSE - position by kawhitter -

he not only said - "i only want to go here" - he also TANKED his own value by playing cutesy with his injury and rehab -

all of us fans here were DREAMING we could get this star or that star or all those FRP's, etc
we got SOMETHING back and spurs front office came away with something much LESS than what kawhi's perceived value was -

so spurs mgmt should KNOW EXACTLY what portland front office is going thru and all their talk and strong demands will fall by the wayside when the spurs find a creative solution and the spurs are stacked with young players who are possible rotation players and picks of all kinds

this is malpractice if they do NOT try and fleece portland

I think Lillard probably isn't a got who'd sit games out like Kawhi Leonard or Ben Simmons. He's more Durant, a guy who loves playing the game. I think Portland's just going to tell him live up to your contract until we find an acceptable deal like Brooklyn did when Durant tried to force a trade. But I have always been in favor of trading for him if it's a steal like two firsts + Keldon and change.

[rascal]

Exactly. Spurs are in a position to find a way to get him creatively -

just remember when the spurs were put in the same - no in a WORSE - position by kawhitter -

he not only said - "i only want to go here" - he also TANKED his own value by playing cutesy with his injury and rehab -

all of us fans here were DREAMING we could get this star or that star or all those FRP's, etc
we got SOMETHING back and spurs front office came away with something much LESS than what kawhi's perceived value was -

so spurs mgmt should KNOW EXACTLY what portland front office is going thru and all their talk and strong demands will fall by the wayside when the spurs find a creative solution and the spurs are stacked with young players who are possible rotation players and picks of all kinds

this is malpractice if they do NOT try and fleece portland

Portland would rather keep Dame than be fleeced.

That's why they didn't trade Scoot, they didn't want to get fleeced and set the asking price high.

[exstatic]

Portland would rather keep Dame than be fleeced.

That's why they didn't trade Scoot, they didn't want to get fleeced and set the asking price high.

Or, if they feel they can't get their price, they'll just send him to Miami.

Anyone thinking this is a Kawhi situation is fantasizing. Dame is NOT free to walk away next summer.

[baseline bum]

Portland would rather keep Dame than be fleeced.

That's why they didn't trade Scoot, they didn't want to get fleeced and set the asking price high.

Yeah Lillard doesn't have much leverage unless he's willing to hold out.

[BacktoBasics]

the price to move up was 4 firsts, including the hawks picks.

you’re nuts if you think that’s smart to do.

I'm a huge fan of Black and even I wouldn't do that.

[rankingtear]

MIA can offer 2 unprotected 3 swaps and Herro , Jovic, Jacquez.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Exactly. Spurs are in a position to find a way to get him creatively -

just remember when the spurs were put in the same - no in a WORSE - position by kawhitter -

he not only said - "i only want to go here" - he also TANKED his own value by playing cutesy with his injury and rehab -

all of us fans here were DREAMING we could get this star or that star or all those FRP's, etc
we got SOMETHING back and spurs front office came away with something much LESS than what kawhi's perceived value was -

so spurs mgmt should KNOW EXACTLY what portland front office is going thru and all their talk and strong demands will fall by the wayside when the spurs find a creative solution and the spurs are stacked with young players who are possible rotation players and picks of all kinds

this is malpractice if they do NOT try and fleece portland

Hindsight is 20/20, but what seemed at the time to be an absolute disaster of a trade has turned out pretty good for the Spurs. Sure, Toronto got a ring and a few months rental, but Kawhi can't stay healthy and the Clippers are in salary cap . The Spurs would have ended up in purgatory if they kept him. Flipping Derozan and subsequently Thad Young, and then Poeltl has left the Spurs with the following current assets from that trade:

Keldon Johnson
Malaki Branham
2024 Lakers SRP
2025 Chicago FRP 1-10 protected in 2025, 1-8 protected in 2026, and 1-8 protected in 2027
2025 Chicago SRP
Khem Birch
Cidy Cissoko
2024 Toronto FRP (1-6 protected 2024, 2025 and 2026)
2025 Toronto SRP

Credit the front office for making chicken salad out of chicken , but that's way more than Portland is getting for Lillard.

[CorrectCrusader]

the price to move up was 4 firsts, including the hawks picks.

you’re nuts if you think that’s smart to do.

We traded an Allstar Dejounte Murray for 3 firsts and a swap and people think it's good value to trade 4 firsts for a rookie, not even top 4 pick

[spurraider21]

MIA can offer 2 unprotected 3 swaps and Herro , Jovic, Jacquez.

do we even know if portland likes jacquez at all? if miami was serious about trading for lillard, they basically should have asked portland who they should draft at that spot in furtherance of a deal

[spurraider21]

We traded an Allstar Dejounte Murray for 3 firsts and a swap and people think it's good value to trade 4 firsts for a rookie, not even top 4 pick

do we have a source for the claim that it would have cost 4 first rounders?