Spare me..

[SA210]

You see this is where you lose your credibility to even start a discussion. I made it clear i wasn't discussing Homeless people. The subject was those who rip off welfare. If you want to lump in Homeless people and s bags who rip off the government in the same group, then your either very stupid or full of hate yourself.

Clearly even a half wit would recognize the difference.

me lose credibility? to one who has none?

Gtown, Many homeless ppl get government assistance and you call for ending that assistance on the basis that many are abusing it, are drug dealers, welfare queens, babies mommas, lazy ppl, theives, unemployed and all the other stereotypes you have in your little smaller than pea sized brain, if even that.

Please Get real, don't spin. Ending that assistance will harm them even more whether your doing it for welfare queens or not. You see, you would be harming that woman under the bridge after those cuts. It's better if you look into the situation in whole. But how could u, u know nothing about being poor. Stop spinning. This just further proves you know nothing about poor ppl.

You stereotype poor ppl as a whole as abusing the system. You only started speaking of "certain ones" that do, only after the fact that I called you out on your innacurate, hateful, stereotypical, childish, selfish, closed minded, ignorant, self centered, no fact having, prejudice, gutless, no spine having posts. It's in the way you speak of the matter. Full of hate. These ppl need help, not suffer because of some bad apples.

Hate me for that, call me a girl, Lie and say I changed the subject, do whatever. That doesn't change the fact that you know nothing about poor ppl and don't care for them. Saying you do only after I call u out on it, doesn't make it true.

[xrayzebra]

^^^SA210, how many TRILLIONS have been spent on poor people? Do we still
have them? Have you been following the series in the E-N about the wonderful
homeless couple who milk what they can so they can crash in Motels (with their
newborn child). Who travel from town to town. No, much of the misery caused
on the so called homeless was caused by Libs who went to lib courts and got the
mental ins utions cleared out of those who most need help. Now they are on the
streets and in dire need and all the money in the world wont help them. The need
supervised care, someone to make them take meds so they can function as close
to normal as possible. You could give them all 25 grand a year, which would be
cheaper than what we do now, and they would blow it in a week and be back
under the bridge cold, hungry and dirty.

[SA210]

^^^ xray, the answer to poverty

[xrayzebra]

^^I have no answer to poverty, nor does anyone else. In the past those who
lived on the streets and panhandled were called bums. They were also some
called hobos. The mentally ill were placed into hospitals and cared for and
supervised. Not well in all cases, but they were better off than now, living on
the streets by their poor mental capabilities. I understand you have a soft spot in
your heart for them and good for you, no gripe from me on that count. But there
will never be a solution because people are people and some will also end up as
so called homeless. Others will try the lifestyle, reject it and go back to work,
it happens everyday. Others who are mentally defective, the ones that cause the
most problems on the streets, will continue as they do now.

[SA210]

^^^ well I don't think that it's a lost cause as u seem to make it. But I do have soft spot for this issue. It's something that hasn't been properly dealt with by both parties. Those certain ppl u speak of are not the majority.

[xrayzebra]

^^ okay, how do you deal with it. Money is obviously not the answer? We have
well established welfare organizations, Salvation Army, SAM and others who do
their best and many Church's. We have established food banks. Heck taking care
of the poor has become an industry. We (the government) spend literally hundred
of millions of dollars a year and folks keep saying we need to spend more. Why?

[SA210]

Well, firstly, I think that much of the money or granted funds are mismanaged. That's very important.

And I also believe that lots of ppl just don't care enough to help on a consistant basis to make a permanant change, not just cuz it's Christmas time. And the poor have to believe in a different avenue and how to get there and be taught that avenue if they don't already know it. There are so many things to look at when it comes to poverty, no doubt, it's not an easy thing, but something does have to change. On all sides.

[gtownspur]

me lose credibility? to one who has none?

Gtown, Many homeless ppl get government assistance and you call for ending that assistance on the basis that many are abusing it, are drug dealers, welfare queens, babies mommas, lazy ppl, theives, unemployed and all the other stereotypes you have in your little smaller than pea sized brain, if even that.

Please Get real, don't spin. Ending that assistance will harm them even more whether your doing it for welfare queens or not. You see, you would be harming that woman under the bridge after those cuts. It's better if you look into the situation in whole. But how could u, u know nothing about being poor. Stop spinning. This just further proves you know nothing about poor ppl.

You stereotype poor ppl as a whole as abusing the system. You only started speaking of "certain ones" that do, only after the fact that I called you out on your innacurate, hateful, stereotypical, childish, selfish, closed minded, ignorant, self centered, no fact having, prejudice, gutless, no spine having posts. It's in the way you speak of the matter. Full of hate. These ppl need help, not suffer because of some bad apples.

Hate me for that, call me a girl, Lie and say I changed the subject, do whatever. That doesn't change the fact that you know nothing about poor ppl and don't care for them. Saying you do only after I call u out on it, doesn't make it true.

^those ladys under the bridge are not recieving govt assistance. You're dumb enough to believe if we were to cut welfare programs that it'd effect the homeless. That's idiotic cuz if they did recieve govt welfare, they wouldn't be out on the streets. But see here you go again. You know jack in these matters.

Also calling people hateful without examining their argument is an ad hominem attack. i just split your whole argument in a matter of 2 sentences.

[gtownspur]

Well, firstly, I think that much of the money or granted funds are mismanaged. That's very important.

And I also believe that lots of ppl just don't care enough to help on a consistant basis to make a permanant change, not just cuz it's Christmas time. And the poor have to believe in a different avenue and how to get there and be taught that avenue if they don't already know it. There are so many things to look at when it comes to poverty, no doubt, it's not an easy thing, but something does have to change. On all sides.

So in essence, everyone but the homeless have to change. Excluding kids who are helpless, many of the homeless chose to be homeless. Alot are offered a job or groceries but they reject them, they are hooked on their crank and booze. It's sad, even if some homeless are s bags i have never denied them from my assistance. If one is starving and needs change for a burger, i give them what they need. To say that i don't care about the homelesss is stupid and is a perfect example of how you trash others to uplift yourself.

[SA210]

^those ladys under the bridge are not recieving govt assistance. You're dumb enough to believe if we were to cut welfare programs that it'd effect the homeless. That's idiotic cuz if they did recieve govt welfare, they wouldn't be out on the streets. But see here you go again. You know jack in these matters.

Also calling people hateful without examining their argument is an ad hominem attack. i just split your whole argument in a matter of 2 sentences.

Gtown, This actually, is not me just calling you a name. I actually believe you are a moron.

You just went on the record saying that homeless ppl do not recieve government assistance. That is very stupid, idiotic, moronic, ignorant and completely false. Everyone who reads this must know you are a moron and that you actually said homless ppl don't get any kind of welfare or government assistance. You're dumb enough to want to believe this trash. That's very idiotic.

I thought u knew about poor ppl Gtown? I thought u knew what u were talking about? You have completely lost any credibility anyone else might have thought u had. I actually work with the homeless alot, but don't take my word for it, call an agency that deals with this as well. Many of the homeless, including single mothers do receive foodstamps and other benefits.

What, because they are homeless? they don't apply nor recieve these benefits? Where did u get that from? U just pulled that out of your ignorant little stereotypical hateful head of yours. My God, How could u make that claim?

Gtown, do something for a change and read a book, call the city, go take a dump in the restroom instead of on this board, walk outside or something, do some research before you throw up this trash.

Regardless of what you say, many homeless ppl can and do recieve benefits. You further prove you know nothing about any of this, and u absolutely don't know what u are talking about when u say that they wouldn't be homeless if they got assistance. Shows how much u know about benefit amounts and qualifications for assistance, and I would advise you to just stop talking about this issue, because you are embarrassing yourself. Really.

If you cut those programs (as you so much pray for), then it would make it much harder for them to come out of homelessness, wouldn't it? Now, if this were Your fantasy world and say homeless ppl didn't get welfare ( yea right) , and say u cut the programs, what assistance would these ppl have when trying to get housed, but couldn't get a little help with welfare or foodstamps once in a home or low income housing?

So, really? Wouldn't it effect homeless ppl? Come on......... mature already. Stop making idiotic claims that you know absolutely nothing about. You also want to cut low income housing. So how is someone to come out of homelessness if you stop housing? At the moment there are over 30, 000 ppl on a waiting list in SA to get into public housing or Section 8, and btw, those lists are so long they are on freeze right now. There are about 25,000 homeless ppl in our city. Section 8 is already gonna be taken away, so you should be happy about that.

And the public housing units are being demolished in record numbers and not being replaced on a 1 for 1 basis, demolitions in SA faster than any other US city actually. So you have over 30,000 poor families on a waiting list to get into housing that won't be there. Hmmm... Makes alot of sense. You have a big heart Gtown, your right.

Nah, None of this would ever effect that homeless lady, man, family, child, whatever, Ever. But see here you go again. You know jack about these matters.

You saying I know nothing about this matter without examing commen sense is an ad hominem attack.

Now, you couldn't assume that a homeless person could automatically buy a home could u if there weren't a housing program? Actually, it's Gtown i'm talking to, of course they could, right? Now u wanna take away foodstamps, welfare, and housing. Congratulations Gtown. Your a wonderful scholar on poverty. Good going. If all these were eliminated, where will these ppl go? ah, what does it matter, right? They're just poor ppl. Just as long as they don't end up in Your backyard.

Yes, you are hateful, and you are a moron, and you know nothing about poor ppl, nor do u care to know and u make false statements about things you know absolutely nothing about.
Your posts are trash.

You actually thought you split my whole argument in 2 sentences......... ,
but what u actually did was solidify yourself as
"Gtown, the 2005 winner of the "Spurstalk Moron of the Year Award"....

in just 2 sentences.

Please walk up and accept your award sir. You won it hands down.

Acceptance speech???????...........................

[SA210]

going once, going twice, anyone..... Buellar, Bueller....

oh well, Congrats Gtown.

[SA210]

^those ladys under the bridge are not recieving govt assistance. You're dumb enough to believe if we were to cut welfare programs that it'd effect the homeless. That's idiotic cuz if they did recieve govt welfare, they wouldn't be out on the streets. But see here you go again. You know jack in these matters.

Also calling people hateful without examining their argument is an ad hominem attack. i just split your whole argument in a matter of 2 sentences.

Homeless Persons' Rights under
the Food Stamp Program

Homeless persons have all the same rights under the Food Stamp Program as persons who are housed. They also have some additional rights due to the fact that they are homeless. In addition, certain provisions in food stamp law that apply to all persons often particularly affect homeless people.

When is someone considered homeless?

You are considered "homeless" under the Food Stamp Program if you:
(1) have no fixed, regular place you sleep at night or;
(2) the place you sleep at night is one of the following:
(a) a shelter (which includes a welfare hotel or congregate shelter)
(b) a half-way house
(c) the home of someone else if you are there less than 90 days
(d) a place where people do not usually sleep such as a doorway, a lobby, a bus station, a hallway, or a subway. 7 CFR 271.2 (definition of "homeless individual")

Homeless persons are eligible for food stamps even if they live on the streets and do not have a mailing address. Homeless people cannot be denied food stamps simply because they lack a permanent address. 7 CFR 273.3(a).

Homeless people are also eligible for food stamps even if they live in a homeless shelter which provides them with meals. Homeless people cannot be denied food stamps only because they are living in a homeless shelter which serves meals.

You do not need a place to cook or store food to receive food stamps. 7 CFR 273.3(a). You cannot be denied food stamps solely because you lack a kitchen or other cooking facility.

Where can homeless people use food stamps?

Homeless persons have the option of using their food stamps at places other than the grocery store or farmers market. Homeless persons can pay for meals at some soup kitchens and homeless shelters with food stamps. 7 CFR 278.2(b). These soup kitchens and shelters must be authorized by FNS to accept food stamps. They cannot force you to use your food stamps to pay for food at the shelter. They can only request that you voluntarily use your food stamps to pay for meals and cannot ask you to pay more than the average cost of meals at the shelter. 7 CFR 278.2(b). In addition, if the soup kitchen or homeless shelter gives other clients the option of eating free or making a monetary donation, you must be given the option of eating free, making a monetary donation, or using your food stamps to pay for the food. 7 CFR 278.2(b).

Homeless persons may use their food stamps at certain restaurants. Restaurants can contract with the state to serve meals to homeless persons at reduced prices in exchange for food stamps. 7 CFR 271.2 (definition of "eligible foods") If you are homeless and would like to be able to use your food stamps to purchase meals at restaurants, you should tell your food stamp caseworker. You will be given a specially-marked ID card which will allow you to buy meals at restaurants. 7 CFR 274.10(a)(4)(iii).

How can homeless people verify their iden y and residence?

The food stamp caseworker is required to verify your iden y. 7 CFR 273.2(f). There are many ways, however, that you may verify your iden y. A photo ID is only one way. You should not be denied food stamps simply because you do not have a photo ID. To prove who you are, you can use such things as a work or school ID, an ID for health benefits, an ID from another social services program such as "TANF", wage stubs, a birth certificate, or a voter registration card. The food stamp caseworker can also verify your iden y by calling a "collateral contact" who can confirm you who are. Shelter workers and employers are examples of possible collateral contacts. If you have no paper do entation of who you are, you should ask the food stamp caseworker to call a collateral contact. 7 CFR 273.2(f)(1)(C)(vii).

Homeless households are not required to verify where they live. If you are living in a shelter, however, it may be helpful to bring a letter to the food stamp office which is written by a shelter employee and says that you are living in the shelter.

What happens if a homeless person spends money on shelter?

Homeless people may spend money on shelter by doing such things as paying to stay with a friend, or paying to stay in a motel. If you can do ent those shelter costs, you may be able to deduct them from your gross income for purposes of determining net monthly income. (see section XX of FRAC Guide for more information on the standard shelter deduction and when it is used) If you are homeless and have spent money on shelter, but have no receipts or other do entation to prove how much you spent, you still may be able to receive a deduction in some states. Certain states have chosen to use what is called the "homeless shelter deduction" which allows people who are homeless, but who have spent money on shelter, to deduct a flat $143 from their gross income. Even if your state uses the homeless shelter deduction, you may not receive the deduction if you have extremely low shelter costs. If you can get more food stamp benefits by using the regular shelter deduction instead of the homeless shelter deduction, you should use the regular deduction. If your state does not use the homeless shelter deduction, you may want to advocate that your state elect to use it.

Do homeless people get any special help with receiving their benefits?

Food stamp offices are required to establish procedures that serve homeless persons. 7 CFR 273.2(a). If you are homeless, the food stamp office is required to give you assistance in receiving your food stamp benefits. 7 CFR 274.2(a). For example, the food stamp office may assist you by helping you to find an authorized representative or mailing your benefits to a shelter that you are staying at. The food stamp office cannot make you fill out report forms each month if you are homeless. 7 CFR 273.21(b)(1)(ii).

What are the rights of homeless youth?

If you are a young person who is living in a shelter or entirely alone, you should be able to apply for food stamps on your own. Your parent's income should not be used in calculating whether you are eligible for food stamps. If you are living in a shelter, you may want to bring a letter written by a caseworker at the shelter which says that you are living there.


What were u saying Gtown?

[SA210]

^those ladys under the bridge are not recieving govt assistance. You're dumb enough to believe if we were to cut welfare programs that it'd effect the homeless. That's idiotic cuz if they did recieve govt welfare, they wouldn't be out on the streets. But see here you go again. You know jack in these matters.

Also calling people hateful without examining their argument is an ad hominem attack. i just split your whole argument in a matter of 2 sentences.

Well Gtown, I figured u might lie and say u weren't talking about foodstamps, so here ya go.
Wow, TANF, so homeless Do get welfare!!

Who knows jack what in these matters? Exactly. Your posts are trash.


http://www.clasp.org/publications/edge_brief.pdf

"As some of the most vulnerable members of society, homeless young parents need access to public services, including "welfare". "

The Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program, a system of cash grants for eligible low-income families, was replaced by the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program, which places a 60-month lifetime limit on federal assistance to families and emphasizes work over education as the means toward family self-sufficiency. As a block grant program, TANF gives states significant responsibility—and flexibility—to design and implement their own welfare programs.

A new report from the National Network for Youth (National Network) and the Center for Law and Social Policy (CLASP),

Families on the Edge: Young Homeless Parents and Their Welfare Experiences, focuses on the experiences of homeless young parents with the TANF program.

For young parents, TANF can be an important tool—a "leg up"—in helping these families achieve longterm stability and economic self-sufficiency. Most lowincome young parents struggle to secure child care and transportation, to continue their education, and to find reliable jobs that pay livable wages. Homeless young parents face the additional challenge of locating permanentand safe housing. Young parents may receive their own TANF assistance grants if they meet certain eligibility criteria.

Families on the Edge: Homeless Young Parents and Their Welfare Experiences

Findings
The main findings of the survey include:

Most homeless parenting youth would likely meet the basic eligibility requirements to receive TANF benefits. In fact, 84 percent of homeless parenting youth surveyed who applied were eligible.

However, many homeless youth did not even know they might be eligible to receive welfare assistance. Fully one-half of homeless youth surveyed who had never applied for TANF did not even know about the program. And less than 40 percent of survey respondents reported receiving TANF assistance at thetime of the survey.


NEXT.

[SA210]

[SA210]

::crickets::

[cecil collins]

Are you calling me an ignorant ?. Tell me where i said all muslims are terrorist. Cuz if i did, i'd be all for pulling out of iraq and nuking it instead of improving it.

First of all you should stick to raising cattle and milking bulls in argentina. You know nothing about americans.

Had the bible endorsed whites to kill blacks, you'd have a point moron! but that's not so, and most of the skinheads out there are all atheist. But the koran does endorse holy war against infidels, and justifies the means to the ends.

i swear you should stick to being a province of venezuela.

I miss you gtown.

[SA210]

He's in hiding.

[gtownspur]

Well Gtown, I figured u might lie and say u weren't talking about foodstamps, so here ya go.
Wow, TANF, so homeless Do get welfare!!

Who knows jack what in these matters? Exactly. Your posts are trash.


http://www.clasp.org/publications/edge_brief.pdf

"As some of the most vulnerable members of society, homeless young parents need access to public services, including "welfare". "

The Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program, a system of cash grants for eligible low-income families, was replaced by the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program, which places a 60-month lifetime limit on federal assistance to families and emphasizes work over education as the means toward family self-sufficiency. As a block grant program, TANF gives states significant responsibility—and flexibility—to design and implement their own welfare programs.

A new report from the National Network for Youth (National Network) and the Center for Law and Social Policy (CLASP),

Families on the Edge: Young Homeless Parents and Their Welfare Experiences, focuses on the experiences of homeless young parents with the TANF program.

For young parents, TANF can be an important tool—a "leg up"—in helping these families achieve longterm stability and economic self-sufficiency. Most lowincome young parents struggle to secure child care and transportation, to continue their education, and to find reliable jobs that pay livable wages. Homeless young parents face the additional challenge of locating permanentand safe housing. Young parents may receive their own TANF assistance grants if they meet certain eligibility criteria.

Families on the Edge: Homeless Young Parents and Their Welfare Experiences

Findings
The main findings of the survey include:

Most homeless parenting youth would likely meet the basic eligibility requirements to receive TANF benefits. In fact, 84 percent of homeless parenting youth surveyed who applied were eligible.

However, many homeless youth did not even know they might be eligible to receive welfare assistance. Fully one-half of homeless youth surveyed who had never applied for TANF did not even know about the program. And ****less**** <<< than 40 percent of survey respondents reported receiving TANF assistance at thetime of the survey.


NEXT.

Wow, not only did you waste your time posting the obvious of how homeless need welfare, but you even highlighted your talking points for you. I'm perplexed! For your to respond on subject is a step in the right direction. Funny how even though you tried to make the point that 40 percent of homeless people have reported recieving TANF, the statement said less less than 40 percent. It could of been 38%, 37, ..34, or even 33%, which means that only a third of all homeless people recieve benefits, and ty ones to boot!

It's obvious you have nothing new to add to this matter, besides homeless statistics from the "Phil Donahue" popsicle sticks you lick clean, coming in flavors such as Chocolate Steamer, Creamy drops, and Buttered Country .


But don't waste your time on crowning your self "Queen of the DEs ute", you are a queen for sure, but as far as being one who knows about charity, i'd think everyone in here will consult the "down syndromed" salvation army man at Big Lotz before they consult with you on homeless statistics.

I think you said once that 30,000 homeless people were applying for government housing in san antonio in one specific area. Lets see, The US Department of HEALTH and Human Resources says that there are 600,000 homeless people in the US. So lets say that 5% of all homeless people lived in San Antonio.

So a city of San Antonio which has 1.1 million residents, that's only .003%, not even 1 perecent, of the whole US population, has 5% of all the homeless people in the US.

So that means that 5% of all the US homeless people, including men, women, and nine year olds, are on the waiting list for one area in town.....WOW!!!!! Thats asstronomical!, and that doesnt include the other half of all homeless people who don't apply for TANF like you said!!!.

So that means that 30,000 is 40 percent of all homeless people in SAN ANTONIO who receive welfare, then that means that there are 80,000 homeless people in San Antonio!!:LMAO!!!

....and most of them, you said, were nine year olds.

So that means that there are 55,000 homeless nine year olds roamin around in San Antonio selling chiclets! UNbe inglievable!!!!!!!!!!, ....You are amazing!!!

That also means that nearly 10 percent of the san antonio population is homeless compared to 3 percent of the US population!, and that sanantonio has 10 percent of all the homeless in america!!, and half of those all signed up for govt housing.

YOu have cities like Los angeles and Houston, Dallas, New York, St.Louis, etc, yet according to you san antone happens to have a tenth of all homeless people. That means a city of New York who 8x the people we have has only 2 percent of all homeless people. That's only 15,000 homeless in New york!! wow!

Dude, where do you get your bull statistics? I've seen more homeless kids at the border bridge in Mexico than all of San Antonio! THere's no doubt that there are homeless children out there, but you over exaggerate like a mofo!

Sorry, SA210, but you should stick to doing the menial labor for the poor, the rest of your brain is useless. They should take the other 99.9% of your brain and use it to replace the horse placenta in the making of Mookie's 2oz travel container of jheri curl grease.

If you could stay out of politics and cut spellling out little boy's halo 2 nicknames on your buzz lightyear sheets, and focus on feeding the needy, you'd serve a better purpose.

[SA210]

40 percent of homeless people have reported recieving TANF, the statement said less less than 40 percent. It could of been 38%, 37, ..34, or even 33%, which means that only a third of all homeless people recieve benefits, and ty ones to boot!

Gaytown, you should stay in hiding. You're a moron. You again say nothing but vomit worthless words. U claim that homeless ppl don't get government assistance. I proved that they do. Do they? YES or NO? It's simple to answer.

Guess what else makes u and idiot. I purposely used this particular article. I put trust in you. I trusted that you would be the idiot that u are and that you would argue and point out that ONLY 40% recieve it or less.

What an idiot. This is really too much. Why did u have to do something so stupid? The article is about YOUNG PARENTS that are homeless.

What an idiot you are. I trusted that u'd be stupid enough to argue that. That's 40% of YOUNG parents that are homeless, which means that doesn't count for all the others. Your such a waste. Seriously. You speak as if it were gonna change anything. And that still doesn't change the fact that YOU WERE WRONG about them recieving welfare to begin with. Your an idiot.

So lets say that 5% of all homeless people lived in San Antonio.

What a moron, just a percentage out a your rump. A very Dumbya thing to do.

So a city of San Antonio which has 1.1 million residents, that's only .003%, not even 1 perecent, of the whole US population, has 5% of all the homeless people in the US.

More fuzzy Math to avoid that u completely got OWNED on your outrageous ignorant hateful assumption that homeless don't recieve any kind of government assistance.

....and most of them, you said, were nine year olds.

The city os San Antonio had a report about the average age of a homeless person being NINE years old. I never said MOST are 9. I said the report said that was the AVERAGE. But don't speak so soon Gtown. I didn't think u could look any dumber.

So that means that there are 55,000 homeless nine year olds roamin around in San Antonio selling chiclets! UNbe inglievable!!!!!!!!!!, ....You are amazing!!!

And then you go and try to screw with numbers to show some mysterious exaggereation. What a moron. 1st u lie and say that I gave a 30,000 figure in which I didn't. I said 30,000 ppl are on a waiting list for housing. I said about 25,000 are homeless. But you did what you know best, SPIN. You tried to twist numbers to hide the fact that You were wrong in the 1st place Nice try, but didn't work.

YOu have cities like Los angeles and Houston, Dallas, New York, St.Louis, etc, yet according to you san antone happens to have a tenth of all homeless people. That means a city of New York who 8x the people we have has only 2 percent of all homeless people. That's only 15,000 homeless in New york!! wow!

You seriously can't be this stupid, but then again, you support Dumbya.

Go to the City of San Antonio. You try to compare cities like New York and others, but your an idiot, you got a bogus figure and divided it up between cities, how much of a moron can u be? Just because You have NO arguement, don't insult the poor.

The San Antonio statistics are upwards to 25,000 ppl homeless, and guess what? We lead the nation in not helping homeless ppl. We lead the nation in percentage of homeless ppl, but you couldn't factor that into your bogus calculations, because you know nothing about the subject and your spinning it for lack of an arguement, and btw, you were STILL wrong. You said Homeless don't recieve welfare. They do, Yes or No?

Dude, where do you get your bull statistics?

You must to talking to yourself.

"In Bexar County, according to a December 2004 policy analysis report, many of San Antonio's large homeless population—some 25,000 to 30,000 people—have a mental illness. The Texas CHCS, the county's mental health authority, is spearheading the turnaround for Bexar County in close collaboration with city, county, and state law enforcement authorities in addition to judicial and health care en ies."

˜ The Library of Congress

CRS Report for Congress
Recent Data on the Homeless

The consensus is that the number of homeless persons is probably between 600,000 and 2.5 million. The homeless are notoriously difficult to count because of their nomadic nature and because so many of the homeless are not in shelters, but are on the streets or are doubled-up with friends and family.



U see, Gtown, You actually are a moron. Even in congress they say 600,000 to 2.5 million. But you would want to use the lowest number possible. Shows the heartless, gutless jerk you are.



Gtown, you are a moron.
And P.S., back to the original question, Do homeless ppl recieve any government assistance? Foodstamps? Welafare/TANF? anything else?

YES or NO?

NEXT.




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[gtownspur]

Okay, Let me get this straight. While at the same time you were trying to add legitimacy to your homeless knowledge, you planted a bogus statistic to rile me. , sounds like a lame excuse to backtrack, because the only one laughing is you.

Second, the 600,000 number comes from a different report than the one you posted. Mine comes from the The US health department for Health and human services, yours comes from Congress. Given, MIne is an actual study of the homeless, from a govt. ins ute, while yours is just a bunch of blowhard material from congress. WHiptee do,

SA210! You are the winner! i quit. I cannot compete with your pseudo homeless knowledge.

To prove you're a diehard bag, you went after my 30000 homeless figure in san antonio. YOu corrected me that it's actually a figure of 25,000. Wow! How does one estimate 30000 from 25000! THey must be doing serious spinning! Woman, back off. It was just an estimation. It still didnt disprove anything for you.

And drop the whole "your insulting the homeless". I don't insult homeless people, or speak directly about them when i make criticisms. MY criticisms are to able bodied welfare recipients, you some how lump those criticisms to the homeless. Again two different things. Just like the statistics you shove.

ANother, yes. Homeless do get welfare assistance. THere's probably some pitbulls that don't bite, and there was once a T-rex that was vegetarian. BUt regardless, MOst homeless do not partake in welfare benefits, even your ty stats would agree. CUtting welfare spending wouldn't hurt the homeless.
When it was done under the House Republicans and Clinton, it weeded out the leeches and focused more on those in need.

See as much as you attack me for saying that we should cut welfare spending, you miss the real perpetrators that deprive your homeless community from recieveing those benefits. It's the leeches out there who are hogging all the benefits, and it's your homeless people that are suffering because of it. And more money wont solve the problem.<< this has been my point all along, but your a stupid idiotic who gets all diva on anyone who doesn't suck hobo .

You have no point in your post. You have no solutions. You have no logic or intelligence. And you've now resorted to namecallling, something your queeny ass said you'd never do. But i guess you've already been disqualified from the pageant, so your real self is showing.

Tell me SA210 of how your so compassionate, and loving. we all want to know. No seriously, to all of us you're our favorite . \
No one can dare touch you on any subject because you debate only the issues and don't stoop to name calling.

But let me guess, you still will claim that san antonio has over 100,000 homeless people. That's like ten percent of the population in SA, different from the other 10 percent in SA210.

IF anyone comes away with the le of idiot, it's simply you. SOrry but you're still the weakest bag.

ANd oh yeah! I voted for BUsh!

Not like John Kerry would've helped the homeless situation. Bill Clinton didn't. According to you he pawned of the street hobos for approval ratings when he signed the Welfare Reform act.

[SA210]

your still rambling. My stats on homeless and poverty come from different reports.

And your ignorant to Not want to ackknowledge that MANY homeless are not even accounted for. That is a fact. So the problem is greater than U want to believe.

Yes, many do recieve welfare. You said they didn't. Period. You were wrong. And that study was 40% of YOUNG homeless parents who recieve welfare, NOT including the whole population. Funny how you ignored that.

You are hateful. If those 40% of YOUNG homeless parents are recieving TANF that You want eliminated and they are waiting to get into housing that You want taken away, then, please tell me , how that doesn't effect the homeless.

And again, You only talked about "certain poor ppl" after I called u out for your hateful comments on them as a whole.

Indeed you are wrong. Save it for yourself. Your an insult.

[gtownspur]

Quit being a tool, and tell me where it says in your bull reports that a majority recieve welfare? Tell me.

[gtownspur]

IF anyone's rambling it's your pathetic ass. Quit relying on your statistics since you yourself said they were bull .

[SA210]

Quit being a tool, and tell me where it says in your bull reports that a majority recieve welfare? Tell me.

so it went from you saying "the homeless don't get any government assistance at all" to "tell me where it says in your bull reports that a majority recieve welfare"



what a waste.

[gtownspur]

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Your still the one claiming that the majority of homeless are nine year olds.

You're a bag and a waste of matter.