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    Peter is here just to piss other teams fans off. I'm not bitter about anything. The mavs are in first place now so why would I be bitter? lol
    Hmm.. that's a tough one.

    Because you have 0 rings?

    Maybe.

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    no problem bro. i got nothing but respect for the spurs. i hate them, and i have my personal opinions about them, but they have won 2 of the last three les, so i got nothing but respect for them. i think since people see im a mavs fan, they think im just gunna talk crap, and be whiny or some stupid like that.
    Are you seriously gonna bring up the 99 championship in this discussion?

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    hahaha, you are funny. unfortunately, that is a very poor comeback, because being just a fan, and being an owner is COMPLETELY different. i dont think fans can just send tapes at will to the NBA front office to fix poor officiating in the NBA. cuban may complain about officiating, and that is part of his job. however, he doesnt ever blame a loss on officiating.
    And you've completely missed my point.

    A. Mark Cuban has certainly blamed losses (whether directly or by implication) on officiating. He may not do it as much anymore, but he's far from immune when that charge is levied.

    B. Even if Cuban only complains about officiating, you implied that it's bad form to even do that. I don't exactly see how Cuban is immune from that issue just by virtue of his ownership interest in the Mavericks.

    Mostly, though, my point was that it's fairly hypocritical to accuse Spurs fans of whining about officiating when the #1 Mavericks fan is the poster boy for officiating paranoia. Cubes has, to his credit, toned down his act since AJ took over as coach, and I (for one) suspect that there's a direct correlation. But to suggest that a handful of Spurs fans are somehow doing something that the Mavericks organization and its fans do not do is ridiculous.

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    I think many have, correctly, taken their cue from Pop, who as far as I can remember, never called out officials in the media. He can certainly be critical of particular calls during the course of a game, but that's quite different from suggesting afterwards that a particular call was decisive in the game. Pop gives credit to opponents who beat the Spurs and I think most Spurs fans who analyze the game and attempt to understand what has happened try to follow that lead.

    AJ, as a coach, generally does the same thing, and I think largely because of the Pop influence.

    Basketball games are won and lost by players not by officials.
    I think that fans follow the lead of an organization's leadership. Very astute point here that Pop never blames anyone but his team, and credits the other team every single time. Fans follow that lead. I like that our fans are good ones who don't disrespect another team just because we lost a game.

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    I think that fans follow the lead of an organization's leadership. Very astute point here that Pop never blames anyone but his team, and credits the other team every single time. Fans follow that lead. I like that our fans are good ones who don't disrespect another team just because we lost a game.
    Same thing goes with the mavs. What's the point?

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    The Mavs are defintely better and it will suck that we'll have to play them in the second round, I would rather wait to play them in the WCF.

    But this Bowen crap is getting tired. All great defenders pull, grab and nudge a little to get the offense guy fustrated. But to call him dirty is chicken . If he was really spitting, don't you think with all the F**king cameras they would've caught it by now. And this stupid putting his feet under, is crap, do you see him looking where his feet are, he's putting his hand in there face. He cant do that from far away, now can he.

    The only one's who truly about Bowen are Allen and Carter. The great scorers want the challenge, Kobe, T-Mac, Lebron, Carmelo.

  7. #157
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    Are you seriously gonna bring up the 99 championship in this discussion?
    i never brought up anything about the 99 championship. you did. also, that team was a completely different core from the team today, so that is why i didnt include that.

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    The Mavs are defintely better and it will suck that we'll have to play them in the second round, I would rather wait to play them in the WCF.

    But this Bowen crap is getting tired. All great defenders pull, grab and nudge a little to get the offense guy fustrated. But to call him dirty is chicken . If he was really spitting, don't you think with all the F**king cameras they would've caught it by now. And this stupid putting his feet under, is crap, do you see him looking where his feet are, he's putting his hand in there face. He cant do that from far away, now can he.

    The only one's who truly about Bowen are Allen and Carter. The great scorers want the challenge, Kobe, T-Mac, Lebron, Carmelo.
    I agree that Bowen isn't dirty but aggresive which is what a good defender should be.

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    And you've completely missed my point.

    A. Mark Cuban has certainly blamed losses (whether directly or by implication) on officiating. He may not do it as much anymore, but he's far from immune when that charge is levied.

    B. Even if Cuban only complains about officiating, you implied that it's bad form to even do that. I don't exactly see how Cuban is immune from that issue just by virtue of his ownership interest in the Mavericks.

    Mostly, though, my point was that it's fairly hypocritical to accuse Spurs fans of whining about officiating when the #1 Mavericks fan is the poster boy for officiating paranoia. Cubes has, to his credit, toned down his act since AJ took over as coach, and I (for one) suspect that there's a direct correlation. But to suggest that a handful of Spurs fans are somehow doing something that the Mavericks organization and its fans do not do is ridiculous.
    i never implied anything. i already said, officiating can be ty. , even last nights officiating in the mavs/wizards game was poor. but it wasnt the reason the wizards lost. i think the officiating was poor in the Mavs first round series against houston. Yao got away with about 100 moving picks. but it wasnt the reason the mavs lost the first 2 games. but i simply said, you cannot blame officiating on a loss.

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    The Mavs are defintely better and it will suck that we'll have to play them in the second round, I would rather wait to play them in the WCF.

    But this Bowen crap is getting tired. All great defenders pull, grab and nudge a little to get the offense guy fustrated. But to call him dirty is chicken . If he was really spitting, don't you think with all the F**king cameras they would've caught it by now. And this stupid putting his feet under, is crap, do you see him looking where his feet are, he's putting his hand in there face. He cant do that from far away, now can he.

    The only one's who truly about Bowen are Allen and Carter. The great scorers want the challenge, Kobe, T-Mac, Lebron, Carmelo.
    hey, that bowen crap is my opinion. respect it, or leave it. i respect other's opinions, and all i expect is the same respect in return. if you believe that Bowen is as clean of a player as it gets in the NBA, by all means, keep believing that. but dont bother attempting to change my opinion, because you never will.

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    i never brought up anything about the 99 championship. you did. also, that team was a completely different core from the team today, so that is why i didnt include that.
    Just checking.

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    hey, that bowen crap is my opinion. respect it, or leave it. i respect other's opinions, and all i expect is the same respect in return. if you believe that Bowen is as clean of a player as it gets in the NBA, by all means, keep believing that. but dont bother attempting to change my opinion, because you never will.

    Respect, where does respect have anything to do with this????

    Give me an example of a great defender who didn't grab, pull, push etc.... You have to be aggressive. Listen to your fellow Mav brother, he understands. You can't say he spits because you heard it on the radio, come on now. With all the camera angles, you truly believe they wouldn't of caught it by now. Bring some facts to you arguments, not hear say.

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    Damn, Mav Fan must be a .

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    yea, the playoffs is something completely different. im talking about the regular season. all teams have to deal with injuries during the season. the best of the best are able to play through those injuries. for instance, the lakers with shaq and kobe. shaq always had his annual 20 game stretch where he was "hurt". but the team always stayed on top. no one ever made any excuses for them. however, the second ONE spurs gets a LITTLE hobbled, but is still capable of playing, everyone says that they are just LOADED with injuries. the only TRUE injury they have had is Ginobili. but duncan hasnt missed any time due to injury. he missed 1 game with the flu or something. Parker hasnt missed time. Bowen hasnt missed time. a few bench players missed a game here and there. but nothing too serious. not like the Mavs, who have had Daniels, Stackhouse, Van Horn, and Howard all miss a fair amount of time. and then every player except Damp and Dirk has missed at least a game due to injury. but no one makes an excuse for any of the mavs losses due to injury. the spurs need to quit being babied by everybody.
    9. Item: For all the talk surrounding the incredible start of the Detroit Pistons and the transformation of the Dallas Mavericks, take a look at the defending champion San Antonio Spurs for a moment.

    What this really means: Despite the foot problems suffered by Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili and the general lack of health of their free agent veterans Michael Finley and Nick Van Exel, the Spurs are right there. Right there. In fact, following the Pistons' loss Sunday at Miami and the Spurs' win at Indiana, the Spurs are 40-10, and just one game behind the Pistons for the best record in the NBA.

    For whatever reason, nobody wants to believe they're the best team. Well, guess what? Tony Parker is not only hot and heavy with Desperate Housewives star Eva Longoria, he's now an All-Star point guard and nearly impossible to stop from getting into the lane. Considering their depth and experience, does anybody really think the Spurs shouldn't be favored to repeat as champions and win their third le in four years?


    That should answer your question

    BTW you should be reallly afraid seeing that your entire squad is healthy and your squad couldnt separate themselves from the Spurs

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    Respect, where does respect have anything to do with this????

    Give me an example of a great defender who didn't grab, pull, push etc.... You have to be aggressive. Listen to your fellow Mav brother, he understands. You can't say he spits because you heard it on the radio, come on now. With all the camera angles, you truly believe they wouldn't of caught it by now. Bring some facts to you arguments, not hear say.
    no , i agree about the aggressive part. but to be blamed with setting your foot under a defender more than once is not a coincedence. and to kick someone in the face is just NOT good defense. to elbow someone because they pushed you a little when going for a rebound, and elbowing them in the gut to stop them on a fast break is NOT good defense. those are facts.

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    9. Item: For all the talk surrounding the incredible start of the Detroit Pistons and the transformation of the Dallas Mavericks, take a look at the defending champion San Antonio Spurs for a moment.

    What this really means: Despite the foot problems suffered by Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili and the general lack of health of their free agent veterans Michael Finley and Nick Van Exel, the Spurs are right there. Right there. In fact, following the Pistons' loss Sunday at Miami and the Spurs' win at Indiana, the Spurs are 40-10, and just one game behind the Pistons for the best record in the NBA.

    For whatever reason, nobody wants to believe they're the best team. Well, guess what? Tony Parker is not only hot and heavy with Desperate Housewives star Eva Longoria, he's now an All-Star point guard and nearly impossible to stop from getting into the lane. Considering their depth and experience, does anybody really think the Spurs shouldn't be favored to repeat as champions and win their third le in four years?


    That should answer your question

    BTW you should be reallly afraid seeing that your entire squad is healthy and your squad couldnt separate themselves from the Spurs

    You are right. Word.

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    Damn, Mav Fan must be a .
    why dont you attempt to post something that at least requires some sort of brains? instead of just attempting to dish out lame insults. if you are going to insult me, make it INSULTING.

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    9. Item: For all the talk surrounding the incredible start of the Detroit Pistons and the transformation of the Dallas Mavericks, take a look at the defending champion San Antonio Spurs for a moment.

    What this really means: Despite the foot problems suffered by Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili and the general lack of health of their free agent veterans Michael Finley and Nick Van Exel, the Spurs are right there. Right there. In fact, following the Pistons' loss Sunday at Miami and the Spurs' win at Indiana, the Spurs are 40-10, and just one game behind the Pistons for the best record in the NBA.

    For whatever reason, nobody wants to believe they're the best team. Well, guess what? Tony Parker is not only hot and heavy with Desperate Housewives star Eva Longoria, he's now an All-Star point guard and nearly impossible to stop from getting into the lane. Considering their depth and experience, does anybody really think the Spurs shouldn't be favored to repeat as champions and win their third le in four years?


    That should answer your question

    BTW you should be reallly afraid seeing that your entire squad is healthy and your squad couldnt separate themselves from the Spurs
    uhmm... i actually have said that San Antonio is the favorite to repeat... more than once. however, our squad earlier was injuried FAR more than the Spurs are now, and the Spurs didnt separate themselves from the Mavs. funny how you just talk all about the Spurs injuries, but not about the Mavs, who have had to deal with the injury bug much more than the Spurs have. and Daniels, Van Horn, and Harris are still not 100%. sure, they are playing, but it doesnt mean they are playing hurt. just like duncan and ginobili. they are hurt, but they are still playing.

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    uhmm... i actually have said that San Antonio is the favorite to repeat... more than once. however, our squad earlier was injuried FAR more than the Spurs are now, and the Spurs didnt separate themselves from the Mavs. funny how you just talk all about the Spurs injuries, but not about the Mavs, who have had to deal with the injury bug much more than the Spurs have. and Daniels, Van Horn, and Harris are still not 100%. sure, they are playing, but it doesnt mean they are playing hurt. just like duncan and ginobili. they are hurt, but they are still playing.

    Funny that you're comparing Daniels, Van Horn or Harris injuries as important as Duncan's and Manu. Duncan is the Franchise and Manu is second/third as important. We're not talking role players here, like you are. I think the players are a little different.

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    no , i agree about the aggressive part. but to be blamed with setting your foot under a defender more than once is not a coincedence. and to kick someone in the face is just NOT good defense. to elbow someone because they pushed you a little when going for a rebound, and elbowing them in the gut to stop them on a fast break is NOT good defense. those are facts.

    Carter is the only one that complains, besides Allen and we alreadly established they're pussies. Bring me someone else who's said that.

    The kicking incident was funny, uncalled for, but its not like he done that more than that time.

    Again, they both were going at each other, both admitting so. You're bringing the same examples over and over.

    It's no coincedence he's been on the defensive team for the past what 3-4 yrs. THAT my FRIEND is a fact!!!!!

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    more mavs ...... well hi anyways

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    Funny that you're comparing Daniels, Van Horn or Harris injuries as important as Duncan's and Manu. Duncan is the Franchise and Manu is second/third as important. We're not talking role players here, like you are. I think the players are a little different.
    role players can be just as important as the big guns. without role players, where is the team? Duncan hasnt even missed any time due to injury, so i dont consider that a serious injury. when you are unable to play, that is a serious injury. Daniels, Van Horn, Stackhouse, Howard, have all had fairly long stretches of missed games.

    also, show me where i said anything about Daniels, Van Horn, or Harris being as important as Duncan, or Manu. if you read back, i never said ANYTHING about them being as important as those guys. However, aside from their injuries, how many SERIOUS injuries have the spurs had? Horry misses a couple games, but what else is new? no other big part of the spurs has missed much time, if any time at all. So in essence, Duncan and Manu's injuries are FAR less compared to our guys injuries.

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    Carter is the only one that complains, besides Allen and we alreadly established they're pussies. Bring me someone else who's said that.

    The kicking incident was funny, uncalled for, but its not like he done that more than that time.

    Again, they both were going at each other, both admitting so. You're bringing the same examples over and over.

    It's no coincedence he's been on the defensive team for the past what 3-4 yrs. THAT my FRIEND is a fact!!!!!
    ok. again, where did i say anything about him NOT being a good defensive player? i think he is an amazing defensive player. at times however, he does dirty stuff, IMO.

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    more mavs ...... well hi anyways
    hows it going?

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