manu hater....
....I still believe.... GO SPURS GO!!!! GET GAME 3!!! TANG-INA!!!
Oh please. This is almost as pathetic as " Avery for leaving their starters in so long" smack talk. Get over it.
When bench players come in for their rare playoff opportunities, they're GOING to play hard. Especially guys like Armstrong who, despite his age, has more drive and energy than most 22 year olds.
We're all very sorry if Darrell Armstrong dashed your hopes that the Spurs could cut the deficit under 20 and save a little face. Boo hoo.
I had no problem with that...just like I had no problem with Nazr's 3 in the Sac series.
Alright.
I told myself last night that I would just go the coward's route and not check into the SPURS part of the forum until Saturday, but it. I'm a sucker for punishment.
I see alot of "Get Over It"s from Mav fans. Will you be following your own advice when you feel your team got jipped? Will it be so easy for you to "Get over" when you lose this series in 6? We'll see.
Obviously alot of us are upset about the officiating. When we lose we feel the inconsistancy and bad calls even more, we just tend to over look the bad stuff when we win...well because WE WIN. That being said...like alot of other posters have said, the refs didn't lose the game for us.
And you know what, I wish sometimes Pop WOULD say something about officiating, not go all George Karl Whiney Ass mind you, but , saying a sentence or two about the matter wouldn't hurt. It obviously gets you somewhere (ala AJ).
On the subject of Avery. him. The jerkoff has disrespected the Spurs, the City, the Fans. Seriously. him. I can't say I have ever cared for him deeply but now it's just like why the do you want to smile and make small talk with the enemy? Especially now when we are in a grueling, balls to the wall, type of series?? Avery Johnson.
Someone send out a Missing Persons Report for one Manu Ginobili. Like alot of you, I'm just baffled by his performance in the playoffs. Sans 2 games, it's like he's not even on the team. I don't know if it's mental or physical or what but we need him to get out of his funk ASAP. And TPark...I've always stuck up for you but damn dude, I can't believe you went there and pulled the "trade Manu" card out. That's the most insane idea I've read from you. Please tell me you were just drunk or jacked up on coke when you typed that.
Tim Duncan. There's nothing bad I can say about him. He's playing great. It's just too damn bad that he seems to be the only one.
There's probably a billion more points I would like to vent on but I know how super long posts alot of the time get overlooked. So, let's just kick ass on Saturday so I can relax and be happy about my Spurs again.
How and when???
He's got nothing but respect for SA, the team, coaches, owners, etc...
How and when???
He's got nothing but respect for SA, the team, coaches, owners, etc...
Its got me baffled too??? What did you seriously want AJ to do, purposely lose the series because he played his best yrs here. Give me a break, he's the Mavs head coach. He's going to do everything in his power to make them win, what else do you expect.
(I posted the following in a different thread, but I think it's still relevant to what you stated here, so if you guys think you've already seen it, you may actually have...) - also, I wasn't at the game, but I couldn't hear the "Let's Go Mavericks" shouts over the TV. I heard "[Steve] Javie Sucks!" pretty loudly and thought that was hilarious, but I will admit that AT&T was the quietest I've ever heard it, and I've been to about 4 games and one And 1 MixTape Tour Event there.
"I'll admit it was a poorly officiated game overall (for both teams), but it was especially damaging to the Spurs because of the timing and impact of the calls - like when 2 obvious fouls by Dirk (and they were pretty obvious - not really judgment calls like block/charge) in the first half (when he had only 1 foul at the time) went uncalled and then Duncan ends up getting his 3rd at a pivotal point in the second quarter. Then Devin Harris jumps into Ginobili with his elbow (Ginobili required stiches), but it's called a block and Harris gets a 3-pt play out of it. Also, the Spurs are making a small comeback, but the Mavs are on the break, and then Brent Barry gets called for the 2nd worst block call of the playoffs (I'm still partial to the Kobe over Nash dunk because of my fandom) - a huge momentum-shift possibility for the Spurs that goes in favor of the Mavs. (And Barry was planted at least a second before Howard got there/went up - a really bad call by Javie, which no doubt intensified the "Javie Sucks!" chant from a relatively knowledgeable and fair SA fan-base.)
In all honesty, it seemed as if the refs had a quick whistle all night long (2 quick techs on Pop and Avery; Van Exel gets ejected), but the most extreme example was the inadvertant whistle play where the ref jumped the gun thinking Ginobili (who is a smart player and was just trying to shield off the Mavs) was going to touch the ball and then didn't. The call forced a timeout and jumpball, which also affected the Spurs momentum after just getting a stop at the other end. I mean, I'm in no way a Spurs fan right now (not until the Suns are eliminated), but I just don't like seeing a team that is struggling in a game have to endure officiating that impacts their momentum in such a way, especially when the Mavs seemed to have an answer at the other end for every Spurs score - they needed every break to go their way and it seems like these plays and calls just took the life out of them."
Game 2 was not a time to get angry .. therefore there is no need to vent for the veteran fans. Only lightweight bandwagoneer's freak after a single loss.
We push our team so far then get mad. We need to give them a break and more support.
We where tired... we can talk about this and that all day.. but we are tired..
And JUST think a LOT of you wanted us to PUSH harder in regular season.. we would be in LOT worse shape if what YOU people wanted happened. You know who you are.. the forum does not lie in the archives...
When a team gets beatdown like the Spurs did, it's okay to vent. It doesn't matter if it's the first game of the season or game 7. If you don't like the thread, then stay the out of it. Venting doesn't equal freaking out.
Ok first of all, Beno Udrih Sucks. He is a little boy trying to grow a goatee which doesnt work. Anyways what the is he doing, put in manu at point and barry and shooting when tp has to come out like last year. Beno is horrible. Against SAC he was launching up like 6 shots in a row and none of them went it. Last night when he got in, the first minute he launched up 3 shots when people were wide open. Get him out of the arena, i rather have oberto playing point.
And Horry, he is a phenomenal underrated player, i have always believed. In the first game all his intangibles such as diving for loose balls, rebounds and defensive reads were impressive. But wtf, where is his offense? in game 2 he looked like a bum doing nothing on offense. He walks around on offense and does nothing. It looks like he's not even trying. He needs to get more into the game and destroy them with his 3s.
Also its not completely his fault. Tony parker is a freaking jackass, horry was wide open at least 4 times on cuts and never game him the ball.
Are we finding out we CANT MATCHUP with other teams? WTF?
Why don't we make them matchup with us if we're the defending champs we must have done something right last year.
I don't think you can changed your damn lineup in the playoffs and expect to have the same cohesion and team play as you had in the regular season. If we lose, we lose but go with what we know won us 63 damn games.
Sorry I got here late. I'm sure that everyone has probably made these points but I need to let off a little steam.
1. NVE-I was psyched that we got this guy in the offseason, and I defended him on a few occasions during the year with the old, "We got this guy for his postseason talents." Well I'm swearing off that Kool-aid. I'd rather watch Beno struggle against a press than watch Van Exel jack up brick upon brick. Udrih might not be much better but I know Blingy would be excited to him out there, where as the only people who get hyped about Nick stepping out on the court are the Mavs.
2. Rebounding-I have yet to see a line-up that gives the Spurs a good edge on the boards. Last year Nazr was able to do that, and this year he seems to totally regressed. Rasho and rebounds rarely appear in the same sentence. Horry had a good game 1, but he was getting pushed around too easily last night. At the end of the day the biggest part of winning the battle on the boards is effort and I haven't seen enough of the that from the Spurs this entire offseason for 48 minutes.
3. Manu-Get your head in the game son!
4. Refs-Like Mark Cuban, I really dislike the inconsistency of the refs on both ends of the floor. Unlike Mark Cuban, I actually mean it when I say this. This postseason in particular I've been shaking my head alot. (I know there's a ref thread, but I'm on a roll here.)
5. Defend the F^&$*%# paint, fools! If we're not going to give a damn about rebounds we might as well start Rasho, who can guard the paint better than Horry and Nazr. It would also let Horry be the scoring punch off the bench. I know it worked well enough against the Kings, but I don't like him starting. Start Rasho, get the defense and Duncan established then bring in Horry to start raining the threes.
I love this quote.
I still dont understand why kori and lj just dont tell pop that his small lineups suck major ass and he deserves to go to for playing them for such long periods of game time.
If I had the access they did, I would be all over Pop's ass, calling his cel phone 24/7
Tell us, mavs fan, of the love you still harbor for Michael Finley and Nick Van Exel.
If that's IT, then this place over-reacts even more than I thought...bearhug defense?
It was bad enough with just the "Avery whining" crap when all he mentioned was the bearhug defense...
theyre waiting for something more important
(vote for jeb bush)
If anyone has a recording of the game, check out the play that lead to a San Antonio timeout at 10:14 of the second quarter. I know Duncan was avoiding another foul at this point, but Dirk used to get dogged when he put his tail between his legs and rolled out the red carpet for someone like Duncan did for Harris on that play.
I've been on travel and haven't been able to post much but I did see Game 2.
kris is one of only a few people who have mentioned Devin Harris' impact in this thread, but I think his value to the Mavs attack has been undervalued. The times AJ has played Harris major minutes, he has owned the Spurs in the 2-man game, particularly the high-screen roll.
The Spurs started out with Manu on Devin, which was fine, but Manu was getting picked or detained and the switches were soft...very soft. To make things worse, the more Devin got to the basket, the more the corner help got distracted thus leaving the open 3 point shooter, Stack in particular.
Putting Parker on Devin doesn't work so well, because AJ will see that and use Dirk as the screener. We all remember how well the 6'-2" Tony defends Dirk off that switch, don't we?
The Spurs will have to show hard and get strong on the ball and stay with Devin. Otherwise Devin will penetrate change pace, then penetrate again once he feels the D fades in their attention to him.
BRENT STAY ON YOUR MAN IN THE CORNER!!!
That's all I got for now. Later ya'll.
Kobe's wearing 24 next year. I want to see them announce at the beginning of the Spurs game in SA that Manu will be going back to his original number 6 next year.
Pop chewed Nazr out for shooting a lae three in the Sac series. If Avery didn't chew Armstrong out he's a bigger dip than you.
If that's IT, then this place over-reacts even more than I thought...
It was bad enough with just the "Avery whining" crap when all he mentioned was the bearhug defense...
Well, Avery had a little Phil Jackson in him with his word choice of the 'bear-hug' defense. When you overreact (a la George Karl), it can sometimes backfire on you next time around because you do look like a real "whiner." Everyone knows that the "zen-master" tries to be really philisophical and make slightly veiled comments that attack the officials and how they can affect the game. I think Avery probably told the more bombastic Mark Cuban that he was going to take over this one and Mark stayed silent (his $200,000 fine notwithstanding). That, mixed with the gametime coaching adjustments showed some real playoff prowess on Avery's part. So, while I won't go so far to say "whining" (probably because I'm a Suns fan and it didn't directly affect my team), I won't deny that he definitely was trying to put some ideas in the officials' heads, which no-doubt led to quick whistles and questionable calls by the refs... I have more in my head, but I'm too tired to keep writing.
That'd be sweet. All the fans would totally dig it, no matter how this series or this season winds up. We're just about fed up with Avery.
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