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Looks like money talks and your BS walks...The NBA fined Mavericks owner Mark Cuban $200,000 for going onto the court in Game 1 of Dallas' series against the Spurs and criticizing league officials on his blog, ESPN's Jim Gray is reporting.
Just to think of the possibilities of Salvitore reffing Game 3.
Looks like money talks and your BS walks...The NBA fined Mavericks owner Mark Cuban $200,000 for going onto the court in Game 1 of Dallas' series against the Spurs and criticizing league officials on his blog, ESPN's Jim Gray is reporting.
comon guys its time to stop whining about the officiating....The spurs got more calls in game 1 as did the mavs in game 2
I like the charge call against Duncan when Koby did the same thing against NASH in damn near the same spot on the court and they called it 'posterizing' Nash.
That's the problem. It's not just one game or any particular team but there ARE some players they seem to ref differently one way or the other.
I like watching the NBA but the product is often 'suspect' to say the least. Had the Spurs won game two this thing was OVER. It's going 7 games if they have to foul TD out in the first period.
They have to give us something to watch, since they know the Pistons/Cavs series will probably be over in 4 games! So much for his highness, King James - what a joke!It's going 7 games if they have to foul TD out in the first period.
The Spurs attacked the rim, but they missed 12 layups....they could not buy a basket. That will not happen again. I really think fatigue set in and they just had no energy.
That's the only good thing about having to deal with Mavs fans until Saturday, the Spurs will get some rest.
I just watched the game again and SCREW all those that say the refs had NO negative IMPACT whatsoever on the game.
The timing of those calls and obvious no calls especially came when we were gaining momentum. Watch the darn game again. Screw the amount of free throws.
It's when they called them.
Exactly, we were on a run, then all these sorry calls and no calls screwing up the pace and our momentum.
If we are on a run to get back in the game and the calls don't go the same both ways, then that DOES have an impact on the game whether we played spurs ball for 48 minutes or not. Even if we still lost by 10 with a well effeciently called game, it's ridiculous. No excuse and ridiculous for people to be blind to that.
The Spurs tried to make several runs, but the Mavs came right back and scored. It wasn't the refs, it was the SA D.
I sit here and watch the replay of this game and see this crap and how obvious it was and wonder how people can act like it was no big deal.
When Duncan got cleared out, Javie was watching it clearly as was the other ref on the opposite side. If you watch the replay you will see how obvious it was and the refs saw it and swallowed their whistles and Pop got up yelling at that other ref.
Pop saw it from sitting down and those refs were watching them even better while being on the floor. That does have an impact.
Crazy.
All Spurs fans need to pray to God on their knees for the next 3 days that he heals TP and Manu before then. If not, the Spurs are dead in the water. If you expect Udrih or NVE to take his spot over and produce like TP does, your terrribly mistaken.
Agreed.
I think with 3 days rest, Tony will be fine. I don't know about Manu because I don't know what's wrong with him.
I can already see that ALOT of you barley watched ANY basketball during the season. Trust me, mavs fans watch pretty much 70% of the games on TV. The ones who show up are the rich and poshy who leave after the 3rd quarter, props to the spurs fans who show up to the game and STAY there.
anyway, lets get back to the ignorance. Make up calls firstly. This has been implemented throughout the WHOLE season, nothing new here people. If my mavs get 3 straight calls called against them, they are going to get some ridiculous calls for them on the other side.
The refs HELPING you out!?! Our centers (diop,dampier) had how many fouls after the 2nd or in the middle of the second!?! 6! that's insane. Coming back from halftime we had foul trouble with 4 guys....it was 3, 3, 3, 2, 2 spurs were 3,2,2,2
mavs superstar = DIRK How many free throws so far 6 + 7 = 15
spurs superstar = TD How many free throws so far 14 + 15 = 29
and for those who SAY dirk shouldnt be getting perimeter calls because the guy in the paint will always get fouled....
come on. look at his season avg. He wasn't ALMOST MVP for his style of play. That is why he is so unique.
This is nothing new, your bruce bowen defense is light years ahead of the refs. you can actually hug a man and slap his arms and forearms and not get called.
You want to see see the results of bear hug defense? ask manu how his chin feels. (which was purley accidental) there is no point in leaning into a guy when he is going up for a layup, bad decision by Manu.
also, we've seen circus o'lay shots from both teams, but ask manu how his butt feels today. Not every player is going to land on his feet
AND FOR GOD'S SAKE, LEARN SOME SPORTSMANSHIP. STOP COMPLAINING AFTER EVERY FOUL CALLED ON YOU. THIS ISN'T A COURT OF LAW ITS A BASKETBALL GAME. LOOK HOW NO MAV'S PLAYER WILL COMPLAIN TO THE REF TO HIS FACE, MAYBE STACKHOUSE BUT THATS IT.
death to timmy, death to the spurs.
I don't disagree with a lot that you said. But this part was classic ..
Mav fans are classic.
sorry thats been my tagline since '03
(I posted the following in a different thread, but I think it's still relevant to what you stated here, so if you guys think you've already seen it, you may actually have...) - also, I wasn't at the game, but I couldn't hear the "Let's Go Mavericks" shouts over the TV. I heard "[Steve] Javie Sucks!" pretty loudly and thought that was hilarious, but I will admit that AT&T was the quietest I've ever heard it, and I've been to about 4 games and one And 1 MixTape Tour Event there.
"I'll admit it was a poorly officiated game overall (for both teams), but it was especially damaging to the Spurs because of the timing and impact of the calls - like when 2 obvious fouls by Dirk (and they were pretty obvious - not really judgment calls like block/charge) in the first half (when he had only 1 foul at the time) went uncalled and then Duncan ends up getting his 3rd at a pivotal point in the second quarter. Then Devin Harris jumps into Ginobili with his elbow (Ginobili required stiches), but it's called a block and Harris gets a 3-pt play out of it. Also, the Spurs are making a small comeback, but the Mavs are on the break, and then Brent Barry gets called for the 2nd worst block call of the playoffs (I'm still partial to the Kobe over Nash dunk because of my fandom) - a huge momentum-shift possibility for the Spurs that goes in favor of the Mavs. (And Barry was planted at least a second before Howard got there/went up - a really bad call by Javie, which no doubt intensified the "Javie Sucks!" chant from a relatively knowledgeable and fair SA fan-base.)
In all honesty, it seemed as if the refs had a quick whistle all night long (2 quick techs on Pop and Avery; Van Exel gets ejected), but the most extreme example was the inadvertant whistle play where the ref jumped the gun thinking Ginobili (who is a smart player and was just trying to shield off the Mavs) was going to touch the ball and then didn't. The call forced a timeout and jumpball, which also affected the Spurs momentum after just getting a stop at the other end. I mean, I'm in no way a Spurs fan right now (not until the Suns are eliminated), but I just don't like seeing a team that is struggling in a game have to endure officiating that impacts their momentum in such a way, especially when the Mavs seemed to have an answer at the other end for every Spurs score - they needed every break to go their way and it seems like these plays and calls just took the life out of them."
trust me there should have been 4 fouls to put dirk on the free throw line.
if you don't see dirk getting whistled, like i said in my post, it's more than likely a make up for the call he didn't get on the other end.
and momentum killers? pace killing? come on. you all love the half court game. Those face paced games arent your style at all.
lol
death to hypocricy!
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"This is nothing new, your bruce bowen defense is light years ahead of the refs. you can actually hug a man and slap his arms and forearms and not get called.
You want to see see the results of bear hug defense? ask manu how his chin feels. (which was purley accidental) there is no point in leaning into a guy when he is going up for a layup, bad decision by Manu."
This too is classic. First, this guy bought into the whole bear hug thing, going so far even as to quote it. Then, he seems to get some gross satisfaction about asking Manu how his chin feels after having to take s ches.
Sick Maverick humor I guess
It's possible that Dirk was getting away with some of his patented Karl Malone-style slap downs and inability to move his feet laterally on defense (see hitting Horry on the head as Dirk is pretty much frozen), because he's not getting the "respect" he deserves at the other end from the officials. I can give you that one, but if he's the Mavs "superstar," then it's a poor trade-off for the Spurs who have to lose Duncan (the Spurs superstar) to his 3rd foul (an offensive foul when the aforementioned Dirk pushed him into Jason Terry, who definitely was outside the circle with good position) - especially when Duncan is the only one playing well for the Spurs at that time. (I'll just mention that Duncan's second foul came on a questionable ticky-tack against Marquis Daniels when Daniels drove to the lane and double-pumped... the same type of call that Dirk got away with on Horry a few plays later.)
Once again, I'm not really discussing the numbers of calls missed, but the situational changes that arose from the inconsistent officiating (i.e. as a Mavs fan, you know that if I said Diop and Dampier would have 2-3 fouls apeice, but Duncan has to sit down with over 5 minutes remaining in the first half with 3 fouls, you would take that in a heartbeat). Likewise, so what if Jason Terry had to go out a few minutes later with his 3rd foul? He's still not your marquee player (Dirk) or your X-factor (Josh Howard) and he's getting outperformed by his backup (Devin Harris) who was just inserted into the starting line-up. (Sidenote: we all know Jason Terry folds in the big ones - especially back to when he lost in the NCAA Tourney first round on his home floor in Tucson to an Edjuardo Najera-led Oklahoma team... ending with Terry missing an 8-footer at the buzzer... I'm kind of confused why Pop was thinking they should focus on him.)
And to your other point - momentum and pace are two different things... the Suns run-and-gun at a fast pace - putting up a lot of shots and playing lackadaisical defense in order to spur their fast break. Momentum does not depend on pace, but can shift as a result of it - for example, the Suns and Clippers were still playing at a fast pace the whole game, but it wasn't until Elton Brand went out with 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter that the Suns gained momentum and went from 1-pt down to 7-pts up in a matter of minutes, and then rode that momentum to 130 points. So, in the case of the Mavs vs. Spurs, both teams wanted to impose their respective paces on the other (Mavs wanted to speed it up for Game 2, while the Spurs prefer the half-court game). In that scenario, a shift in momentum for the Spurs would have been getting defensive stops and getting their half-court game up and running with tight cuts and sharp passes instead of a lot of the problems they were having with it last night.
Therefore, the momentum shifting plays I refered to above and in my previous post helped the Mavs both maintain their pace and their lead (a lead that forced the Spurs to try and play more to the Mavs style because you can't come back from 20 pts down by running half-court sets until 5 seconds left on the shot clock). You see where I'm going with this? So situations arise, such as a Devin Harris 3-pt play that could have been ruled a charging call (where Ginobili took a shot to the mouth) can result in a potential 5 or 6 point momentum swing depending on how the Spurs would have fared on the next possession and the ones after that (i.e. taking the emotional and homecrowd upswing of getting an offensive foul and running it the other way). Say they hit a 3 on that possession, then the Mavs might be back on their heels... instead, a few plays later Brent Barry is called for a blocking foul that was pretty questionable and the Mavs are riding high. That is the essence of momentum.
Last edited by RonMexico; 05-10-2006 at 07:56 PM.
How was he "almost mvp"? Nash got like, 4 times as many first place votes. Should I congratulate the Mavs on their ALMOST CHAMPIONSHIP after the Spurs knock them the out?
Although you're a little harsher than I would be, I agree that Nash pretty much destroyed the compe ion, which is interesting because a lot of people theorized (especially on this board) that he had gotten a lot of 2nd place votes to garner a bunch of points and then win by a smaller margin. I agree that Dirk is unique, but new "MVP candidate" Dirk isn't as exciting or impressive to me as the older one that drove to the hoop with his head down and was not afraid to power his way through... New Dirk likes to sit too much on the perimiter and make seizure-like movements when he drives to the hoop - I'm not sure yet if this is used to distract the opponent or try and draw undue attention to himself from the officiating crew. Old Dirk was quieter on the floor, had a chisled haircut, and wore a lot fewer accessories... New Dirk has this floppy mop, publicly chastises his teammates and officials to show "leadership," and wears an obnoxious elbow pad. Yet, his former teammate and good friend has had much more success since leaving the Mavs and left his appearence and game relatively unchanged... hmmm...
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