*sigh*
Once again,Pop's insistence on small ball game plan is not helping the cause. He needs to realize that yes, while it may be putting up points on the board, it's allowing hte Mavs to score 100+ points and outrebound the Spurs in crucial seconds of the game.
what center do we have that we aren't playing that you guys think is worth a crap?
Are you guys totally like stupified to how bad Nazr Mohammed and Rasho are?!?!
Good lord peeps.
I'm sure most Spurs fans feel that way...I'm simply in shock this morning. I kept going over the game over and over again. And it absolutely amazes me. Tim Duncan goes into the 4th quarter with 2...count it 2 fouls, and then within the 4 minutes, he has 5 all of a sudden? Dirk has made ZERO, count it ZERO clutch shots in the 4th quarter of this series. , the MAVS as a whole have made ZERO clutch shots in this series. The one game, Game 1, where the refs allowed them to play the game, without calling a foul and getting the Mavs to the FT line, what happened? Mavs choked.
What pisses me off is that I honestly don't think the Mavs are a better team than the Spurs.
No clutch shots by the Mavs?? WTF?? You must've missed a few games...
How about the bull call when at the end Dirk obviously used his forearm to push Bowen away and somehow the foul was on Bowen. And Dirk ends up tying the game with free throws.
The suppose blocking foul when Duncan was about 2 feet in front of the arc and had position. It was horrible.
And I know I hardly post here but if anyone every pays attention to my posts I never blame the officials for a Spurs loss. But I do blame them for this one.
LMAO...yep, the Mavs just aren't really that good...
BTW; the known basketball on-line universe agrees the Spurs are getting hosed. LakersGround, Clutch City, etc....
it's obvious to all ('cept Mavericks fans).
Kind of like Phoenix's two in LA - with the, tackle Nash and get turnovers defense. How'd that turn out?
This will go the same.
Spurs in 7.
No, I didn't. You hit clutch shots in OT yesterday, but it shouldn't have come to that. Game 2 was a blowout, there was no need for any "clutch shots" Games 3 and 4, end of regulation, Dirk goes to the line BOTH games to shoot FT's that ultimately decide hte outcome of the game.I'm sure most Spurs fans feel that way...
No clutch shots by the Mavs?? WTF?? You must've missed a few games...
Look, Mavs are obviously a great team. Im really surprised with the way they've played this series. But, you're honestly telling me as a Mavs fan, that if the calls had been reversed, and it was the Mavs getting these bogus calls at the end, you wouldn't be here ing about it? I'm not saying that's why the Spurs lost, obviously a lot of it has to do with our defense and our inability to rebound a freakin ball because Pop continues to sit our centers on the bench, but NBA refs should be letting the players just play in crucial game situations, instead of influencing the outcome so much.
NEWSFLASH: The Mavs have been getting the short end of the stick on calls FOR YEARS! They're finally at the Spurs / Pistons level in the minds of everyone, so they're get the benefit of the doubt more than they used to. They paid their dues. The bottom line is they've made plenty of "clutch" shots (clutch doesn't have to be a game winner at the buzzer!) in this series...the Spurs have made "clutch" turnovers and Duncan had a good look at a game winner last night...
This is just frustrating as .
We should have won this game and by all accounts we lost it on our own accord.
However, we should have never been in the position we were in at the end of the fourth but the refs made sure of it.
ing bull .
This is all clearly part of a league wide conspiracy to push LeBron James. Although his team is not ready to win the East this year, they will be sometime in the near future. Stern does not want the "boring" Spurs coming out of the West to stop them. Therefore, the league uses its referee enforcers to make a far superior Spurs team lose to the Mavericks. This way the Spurs will feel compelled to change a 60+ win team in the offseason and lose some of the magic. Now when referees allow the juggernaut Spurs to face the Cavs, the Spurs will have lost all of their wily veterans in the offseason, thinking that they need to improve.
The commish will be happy, introducing the LBJ era with a bang.
You said it - Mark Cuban has paid hundreds of thousands of "dues" to insure the Mavs get "respect."They paid their dues
What pisses me off the most about this is that the officiating has overshadowed two absolute classic playoff games. Both of these teams are bringing everything they've got, and it's so great to watch.
The way the Mavs were shooting, if Bowen doesn't get called for the foul then maybe Dirk hits a jumper anyway. But at least then it would have felt more legit.
It's such ing bull . I don't even recognize this game anymore. The Playoffs are supposed to be the time when the Players decide the outcome more than ever. The game has historically slowed down in the Playoffs because it gets more physical, and the refs have been less likely to bail you out.
This year, suddenly, the officiating has discouraged and penalized good physical defense and awarded pussy bull .
Jordan is tossing in his sleep at night all those game winners he had to make, now the refs can just give you the game winning freethows wow how the nba has changed
whott, your posts are on the money.
Bavetta actually gave us a chance to win. That was all I was hoping for when I saw it was his crew. TD had a look to win it. ! If he just knocked down that bunny.
I am so pissed.
Refs > Spurs
Not sure what this means, but after the game, all 3 refs were laying on the scorers table smoking cigarettes and looking quite satisfied.
The past 2 games have gone to the Mavs because of fouls, not last second shots or any damn clutch play, just ghost calls and BS fouls
I am optimistic we win the series 4-3
this is nothing about this thread but wasnt "timvp" the one who said devin harris doesnt have a shot or does not pass?...i hope you saw number 2 on the NBA Top 10...just wanted to say that...
I've been inclined to say that officiating shouldn't affect the Spurs. I'm inclined to think that if the Spurs grab defensive rebounds at the ends of Games 3 and 4, they're coming home 3-1 and the Mavs are wondering what in the happened to their season. I find myself wondering what would have happened if Duncan had gone baseline at the end of regulation, rather than going middle -- would he have gotten a call against Dampier if he attacks the rim? I can point to many other things about the way the Spurs played at points last night and in Game 3 that harmed their chances.
I'm not going to say that the officials have stolen games from the Spurs.
But I'm getting really, really close.
And I think there's catharsis in venting about certain things.
I'm still really, really bothered by the horrendous block call on Duncan at Spurs +5 in the 4th (which resulted in an equally horrendous delay of game technical, but that's another issue). I don't see how any official could have made that call. Duncan was outside the circle, his feet were set, and he stayed in position. Dirk barrels into him and Jim Clark points to the floor, indicating that Duncan was in the restricted area. He was at least 2 feet outside of it. At best, it's blatant incompetence -- that is a textbook charge in any setting; at worst, it's suggestive of officials seeking to secure a result.
The touch foul for Dirk, some 17 feet from the basket in the last 10 seconds of a close playoff game was equally bad. I don't know at what point Dirk Nowitzki became the most protected player in the NBA; I don't know why it is that NBA officials seem to have decided that Manu flops routinely and have stopped giving him calls, but haven't given Herr Flopitzki the same treatment. If the wind blows, Dirk flops. And when he does, an NBA official is there most of the time to call it. There was a time when officials swallowed their whistles late in 4th Quarters except for egregious contact -- they allowed the players to decide games like games are decided in the schoolyard. Then, along came Mark Cuban.
Among the Dirk flops that aggravates me most is the flop that got Finley T'd up in the 2nd quarter. Let me get this straight -- a player is pushed across the lane by an opponent and flails his arms; he makes glancing contact with another opponent and draws a technical foul for, essentially, having been pushed and (apparently) trying to maintain his balance? Points are points, and giving Dallas that point certainly proved harmful to the Spurs; particularly because Finley did absolutely nothing to deserve the technical foul.
I think what's most reprehensible about all of this is that the officiating might deprive NBA fans of the chance to see two great teams battle for 7 games and decide what is likely to be the best series of these playoffs on their own merits. It's shameful that the defending champions aren't permitted an opportunity to defend their crown without shenanigans by purportedly objective and unbiased officials. If Dirk makes the shot and the Mavericks win, he makes the shot and the Mavericks win. But allow him the chance to make the shot; don't bail him out with a bull block, a garbage technical, and a relatively-unprecedented end-game touch foul.
I'm not blaming anyone. We are not the ones out there. Mavs where just knocking down the open shot and their free throws however bowen fouls should have been a no call since the contact was mutual. I would have rather seen tim spin baseline away from the double team but I am not on the team. It was a great game and would of been better without all the fouls called on both sides.
To be read if we don't win 3 in a row against the refs.
Our players fought hard against everyone. Constant whinning from Cuban, Johnson, the Mavs players; bad luck, refs and their biased or crappy calls. Everyone was expecting the Spurs to lose, from the media to other teams fans (with the only honourable exception of the Pistons, yeah, one of the few other organizations in the league that know what class means).
We still have our dignity intact. We have the pride. We have the right to call ourselves the champions that weren't beaten on the court. If the NBA feels happy with one-sided and crappy refereeing, if they are happy to get such a repulsive product as the Mavs as their poster boys, fine with them. But then don't call this a sports league, because it was seen on the court who the better team was without the referees intervention. When they started blowing their whistles, it was all in the Mavs way.
Dirk Nowitzki is now an All-Star free throw shooter, a whiner and a flopper. And yet we had to stand watching the Mavs play videos with about Manu flopping or hearing them call Bruce dirty. The same classless fans who booed Michael Finley, who put the Mavs in the map (if it wasn't for him, nowadays they'll be something like the Grizzlies).
Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Bruce Bowen, three excellent defenders by the league standards, suddenly find themselves in foul trouble every game. How can this be explained? Do the Mavs suddenly became some sort of supernatural team? No, they simply got a foul just for staring at them. It's ridiculous, a jump shooting team like the Mavs go to the line the whole fricking time, it just doesn't make any sense at all. I'd like to believe that the refs are useless rather than corrupt, but this series makes you wonder.
The Spurs won't complain about this in front of the microphones. They aren't the Mavs, who complain all the time, in the court and then in front of the media, even when the calls are all going their way. They complain about moving screens when they are the worst team in that aspect. Also, suddenly, the refs start calling travelling, offensive fouls, blocking fouls, delay-of game, 3 second violations, all on the Spurs, what a coincidence. Every time the Spurs made a big play, the Mavs got a trip to the line for being stared at, it is frustrating, it feels you are playing 5 vs. 8.
The only thing I regret is the Spurs quitting on hard defense because of the refs. That pretty much sealed the series. If the NBA wants sissy basketball, they just should let everyone know. "We want Lebron, we want Dirk soft pussy jump shooting style, no contact please". Every team with classless acts in their organization and fans like the Mavs should feel proud right now. They boo every right call made, they demand fouls all the time, and don't accept their own.
As a fan of the NBA since 1995, I feel betrayed. This really hurts the sport, we get to watch how a team with no balls, who have a moronic owner who writes a stupid blog, got his way. Gone are the days where defense was a virtue, where games were decided on the court by the players. You might think I'm being a little harsh here, well, I'm not. I could say what I wish to happen to the refs and the Mavs...
This is the worst piece of bull I've had the pleasure to watch since 1994. Also counting games from previous years watched on tape. And I'm talking about basketball at all levels, NBA, Europe, Olympics, World Championships, South American basketball. It's just bull , it has been the most biased refereeing I've ever seen.
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Amen Brother - preach it! Please send this post to nba.com - it probably won't do any good, but at least we'll feel better!
You do realize that TD fouled out TWO of our centers, right?
Duncan whined after game 3...
I cant believe that its come to this..
the officals have left their imprint on the game, and it shouldnt be that way.
LET THEM PLAY!!
I agree, if Dirk hits the game winning shot and the mavs win in result of that, then thats that.
Nothing more, Dallas beat us fair and square, but it hasnt been that way now has it?
Im saying that the refs throw us a bone, no the refs have been terrible through the series on both sides of the court.
How do you give the spurs the ball when it clearly didnt hit the rim and call a bull moving pick on duncan???
Unreal.
But... ing about it wont change the mavs being up 3-1, lets just go into game 5 looking for a win then go up to Dallas and finally get that win.
We know the spurs can take care of home, but the deciding factor will be can they win on the road against dallas?
We'll find out soon..
Dont give up
believe spurs fans!!
Our spurs need us.
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