You'd think if they were trying to get so far under the cap they wouldn't have given Tony Battie (no one's answer to anything) a $25 million extension in March, wouldn't you?Look...either they are rebuilding or trying to win now...they are over the cap. If they are rebuilding they are trying to get under it.
All thet have to do to get way under the cap is wait a year. A couple million (the most anyone would ever spend for Ariza in year two) isn't a deal breaker, especially when Hedo will be the only SF left, if that.
It could go either way at this point, though the Battie extension points more towards coach having the most say in the decision instead of the bean counters.
I thought this might be interesting, I posted it on the other thread also:
Javtokas averaged 21.8 PPG, 14.7 RPG and 4.6 BPG last season per 48 mins.
For comparison, Duncan career 28 PPG, 15.2, 3.0 per 48
Of course the compe ion is a not quite is good, but it looks like Robertas has the potential to be a very good rebounder and shotblocker in the NBA. I don't see him playing more than 25 mins a game, but he and Duncan could combine to punish teams on the inside during that time.
Who's the 2 guard? Who're the shooters? Trade Hedo and they trade their best...
Their young core is going to be eating their future cap space quickly. Extending Battie illustrates just how dire their bigman situation is on the bench...they'll be looking to fix that before working on a project SF not as talented as the one they are looking to deal.
That's why you have to ask yourself, are they in it to win now, or rebuilding?
If rebuilding they just draft and probably do resign Ariza, if win now they have better places to spend their money while dancing around the lux tax.
I think they are trying to win now. Orlando doesn't exactly have a banner history of retaining it's Superstars and Howard's going to be sick of the losing right about the time his deal is up...
I think their desire in keeping Ariza is not that strong...if it was they'd just say so and scare off any potential suitors.
You tell me a better use for the Scola scraps...
Here's the entire body of the snippet posted by TimVP the other day:
Despite an earlier report to the contrary, the Magic likely will match any reasonable offer that restricted free-agent forward Trevor Ariza receives this summer. Ariza came to the Magic last season from the New York Knicks as part of the trade involving guard Steve Francis, and the Magic like his open-court abilities and offensive rebounding. They won't sacrifice future salary-cap space to keep him, but he isn't expected to get any big-money offers, anyway. Ariza still needs to develop a jump shot.
Big money being the key phrase here...what is big money for Ariza, and the over the cap lottery Magic?
Honestly...I think they are looking at LLE type pay for him.
They need shooters and centers/forwards...Veterans...all of which we have.
Stevenson?Who's the 2 guard?
#11?
MLE signee?
They could spend all their exceptions, sign their pick, match Ariza and still not go over the tax threshold. If Augmon retires and Garrity and Grant go down with injuries (how strong a possibility is that?) Ariza becomes critical.
Too many question marks right now. I simply think it's up to Brian Hill, seeing as the money isn't a terribly critical issue in either a win-now or rebuilding scenario.
Stephenson's deal is up after next season..that sends them into the following season with Millicic up...after that Nelson and Howard.
Again...it comes down to if they are trying to win now or rebuild.
Remember...the Spurs once were so tight on their cap in win now mode they traded Leandro Barbosa for basically pennies of cap room.
Ariza beceomes critical for what? Winning? ..in that case they are resigning everyone. Ariza being critical for them bodes badly for their future...
Ariza got more minutes under Larry Brown than under Brian Hill btw.
It would be pretty easy for them to match an LLE offer, they don't have to s out the big money for Howard and Nelson until the year following the end of that deal.If you're talking about a trade, that's entirely different. Would it not be easier for them to trade Hill or Garrity, who are in the final years of their deals to fill their needs, then sign Ariza on the cheap to replace them?They need shooters and centers/forwards...Veterans...all of which we have.
Too many options to make any call at all.
And don't give me names like Jones, Jeffries or Evans...because the scraps won't get any of them.
Why'd they trade Francis for Penny?
They want expiring deals...not to deal them away.
Edit...then again they did resign Battie... this, the Magic are ing idiots and always have been, so forget trying to use logic on their decisions to figure out their plan...
The bottom line is I can't think of anything better to do with the money and their interest in resigning him is lukewarm at best. Guy can be had and should be one of the things the Spurs look into...they really need shooting.
I personally don't think Scola scraps are going to amount to more than the LLE, so it's kind of moot.
If they are, I'd try for Chuck Hayes. Houston needs to replentish its guard corps and, unlike Orlando, the Rockets would have to blow MLE money to match.
Now you understand. I have to believe it's the coach's call at this point -- it's the only thing that makes sense.
Well if it's the coach's call...the minutes he got correspond accordingly with their lukewarm interest in resigning him....
They don't feel he's a major key for their success right now. This is obvious.
Well, he got more minutes than Garrity or Augmon during their big run at season's end -- and the way Hedo was playing, he couldn't be kept off the floor for more than 12-15mpg. Looks like once again Grant Hill's health will be a major determining factor.
Look, point is, IMO, if we are going to do this small ball thing, this is the guy we have a legitmate chance at getting. He's can penetrate, defend and rebound...he can't shoot, shooting isn't a need for this team anymore, and it's not a need against this new way of soft interior d small ball teams...Ariza got the skills.
The Magic are not that interested in him...the quotes are there, they are not willing to sacrifice cap space for him...Why is cap space their concern? Rebuilding purposes? Or big FA purposes?
There are a variety of ways the Spurs can go after this guy...
They can try and get him on the low..
Offer the Magic a shooter with an expiring contract...
Or...if Scola wants too much...they can make him an unreasonable offer. 3 mil per year?
To me the guy is perfect for what we need...he's long, can run, can defend on the perimeter, board.
Get him. It can be done...it can be done easily. It's not like we're trying to sign Elton Brand here...
Not exactly a career highlight beating out those two. I thought they were dead.
If Hedo is playing so well then why are they gripping over his pay? And why then would they pay his lesser talented backup more than the cheap?-- and the way Hedo was playing, he couldn't be kept off the floor for more than 12-15mpg.
They've also got a buttload of draft picks to use to get other back up SF's, some of whom might be less of a project than Ariza...Looks like once again Grant Hill's health will be a major determining factor.
I am telling you, they aren't gripping over keeping this guy.
Sure the quotes are there, but are they to really be believed?The Magic are not that interested in him...the quotes are there, they are not willing to sacrifice cap space for him.
Smith: We like Trevor, but won't match any offers over the minimum.
Buford: GREAT! All we have to do is make an offer just over the minimum. Let's make it two years starting at $1.2 million, the remainder of our MLE.
Smith: Psych! I'm matching this ! What a bargain!
Buford: But I read on the internets....
Smith: You're always honest with the media?
Buford: Susie, get me Chuck Hayes' agent.
CIA Otis.
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But you said they weren't using him. Those were the other guys they were using.There you go again, trying to apply logic to the Magic.If Hedo is playing so well then why are they gripping over his pay?If they moved Hedo. That was the only reason I brought it up. It made no sense to me either.And why then would they pay his lesser talented backup more than the cheap?So they could also adress their other needs that you listed as well.They've also got a buttload of draft picks to use to get other back up SF's, some of whom might be less of a project than Ariza...As small as our offer would be, it would be a viable option.I am telling you, they aren't gripping over keeping this guy.
And doing that hurts us how?
It doesn't.
Sign LJIII for the min...
Que: Spurfan paranoia about how LJIII is now coveted by the Hornets like he's the second coming of Larry Bird.
Susie couldn't call anyone for a week.And doing that hurts us how?
False...I said he was getting less minutes under Hill than he did under Brown.
There is a logic stupid though it may be...they want a shorterm core signed as cheaply as possible but they are trying to lower their cap for signing their own young talent and perhaps aquiring it elsewhere...the bottom line is that 2 guard and shooters are their primary needs.There you go again, trying to apply logic to the Magic.
Bottom line is that you guys think they are more interested in him than they are...even if they won't let him go for nothing...they'll let him go for an immediate need. Shooter.If they moved Hedo. That was the only reason I brought it up. It made no sense to me either.So they could also adress their other needs that you listed as well.As small as our offer would be, it would be a viable option.
LJIII for the vet min makes that moot.
Sanikidze waiting around for us to call does as well...
What makes anyone think LJ wants to come back here again?
for all of you who havent seen Javtokas in game footage here is something posted by timvp on youtube, hope you guys enjoy
Javtokas highlight video
What makes anyone think anyone wants to play here?
You think he likes his ring?
You mind not ing up this Ariza thread with Javtokas talk? Thanks.
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