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Lol @ Kori/Timvp teaming up on this guy.
You are talking about the past. Tony didn't choke in this year's playoffs. Even though you've repeated that he did, over and over. It doesn't make it true.
Lol @ Kori/Timvp teaming up on this guy.
He didn't choke...but he didn't exactly come through either.
He settled for jumpshots way too often, what happened to the attacking Tony Parker of the regular season? Why did Pop have to stick Nick Van Exel in for so many minutes, crunch minutes? Somebody who barely played all season.
He averaged 20 ppg in the Mavs series. 22 vs the Kings.
Pop told him to shoot jumpshots. He wanted him take 25 shots a game. He wanted him to shoot a lot of jumpshots because the defense was sagging.
Van Exel barely played. WTF are you talking about?
It's like people missed the playoffs or something.
HE ATTACKED WHEN HIS LEGS WOULD LET HIM HE WAS BANGED UP
That's a fair argument.
that is what cost the spurs
when the spurs were in ot pop went to duncan and duncan was GASSED instead of going to tp or manu
I don't really have the stats in front of me, I'm just going off what I watched in the games.
It seemed like at times Pop was losing faith in TP and would stick Nick Van Exel in. Then he'd be forced to pull Nick back out cuz he wasn't doing either. I'm sure if you look at Van Exel's minutes through the season, and then look at them in this series there will be a jump.
I love Tony Parker, but he didn't do as much as he could've/should've in these playoffs. I'm not the only one who thinks so...I guess we all didn't watch the games and you did?
manu ed up more late in games then tp did this year
also manu's road games against pistons SUCKED ASS last year in finals
I don't remember Manu "sucking ass".
If his offense isn't there he normally finds other ways to contribute. But it seems like if TP's drive isn't there, and his shot isn't falling that day...he/we are ed.
Kori,
If we traded TP for Kirk tommorrow...what would your reaction be?
People don't get it. Tony had a pulled groin and 2 huge thigh bruises. He attacked all he could but had no lift in a couple games. He still hung in and scored 20 ppg. Yes, he's young and sometimes doesn't have good vision. Yes, he makes mistakes sometimes.
But it makes me laugh (and not in a good way) that he gets bashed so heavily. He carried the team for the whole year while Manu/Tim were banged up. In the Kings series, he got a thigh bruise, then in Game 1 vs Mavs he got another, plus the groin pull by Game 3. He still managed to score 20ppg. NVE only play 10 mpg in the Mavs series, he wasn't bailing anyone out.
Tony used to be inconsistent. This season, he was the most consistent Spur on the roster. Yes, he has a bad game here and there. But you guys much not watch any other basketball. If you did, you'd see Hinrich's 3-for-15 games. Marbury, Kidd, Paul, anyone -- they all have games when they 0-for, have a lot of turnovers, or whatever. They are basketball players, not robots.
Last edited by Kori Ellis; 06-05-2006 at 06:06 PM.
I think the big three could have done more
against mavs manu and tp were hurt and it hurt their performances
against mavs
By the way, this is me talking about the Kings Game Six. If you meant Mavs Game Six .. then yeah, that was Tony's worst game of the playoffs.
Van Exel averaged over 15 mpg in the regular season and 11 in the playoffs.
Then you're argument should be "he was injured". Not 'he played fine'.
This season he was great. I'm not even complaining about the season. I'm complaining about the playoffs...more specifically this series. As for TP's turnovers, I don't think his ratio is even that high...he's not that type of a point guard. I didn't even bring that up?
Tim was hurt too...
I can't wait to see how he comes back next year once he has had a chance to rest that foot.
I'd be pissed.
On the season, Kirk averaged 16ppg, 6apg and shot only 41.8%.
Tony averaged 19ppg, 6apg and shot 54.8%.
Tony is far more efficient.
Just double-checked, those numbers are right.
Again I'm just going off what I was watching in the games...it seemed like Nick was in more than he should've been...and he was only taken out when he failed to produce and Pop was sort of forced to put TP back in before he wanted to.
With the percentage, keep in mind they have no inside game.
Also keep in mind TP's high percentage came from getting to the hoop, which was taken away from him in the playoffs.
Other then that, 3 points diff is ppg isn't a big deal, apg is the same. The most important thing to me is playing style. I think his would fit with the Spurs a little better. The only problem would be when Manu isn't being aggressive and getting to the rim...we don't have a 2nd who can do it like TP used to.
Look at the Derek Fishers and the James Posey's...
When you put them with an inside game and a few open looks they start looking like a fat after a few beers, much better.
It wasn't taken away. He couldn't lift as much PLUS and more importantly, Pop told him to shoot jumpshots.Also keep in mind TP's high percentage came from getting to the hoop, which was taken away from him in the playoffs.
You don't know anything about basketball if you'll take a guy who shoots 41% over a guy who shoot 54%. That difference is huge. Hinrich has one of the worst shooting percentage of any starting guard in the league.
You probably have only watched him in a handful of games. I watch him all the time. He has tons and tons of bad shooting games that would make you want to kill him if he were on the Spurs.
I don't know anything about basketball.
I realize I don't have an AP pass, but bear with me Kori. How can you not acknowledge the teams they're playing on and the effect that has on the field goal percentage? You're telling me if Kirk's with the Spurs and starts getting open jumpers more often than in Chicago (where they hvae no interior offense) that his shooting percentage won't go up?
What good is TP's 56% field goal perecentage when he starts settling for jump shots? If he's injured, that's one thing...but the same thing has happened in the past when he wasn't injured.
Like Tim Duncan...he's laying up balls now he would've dunked before. You can say he's injured, and this isn't the real him. But with TP what do you have to go off? Past playoff performances? He's pulled the same . His numbers are never horrible, but he leaves you yearning for more. That's all I'm saying.
Kirk is a certain niche type of player that can iplay in a good system on a good team. The Bulls are a few pieces away from that, but I bet if you stick him in here he starts looking very good.
With the percentage, keep in mind they have no inside game.
Also keep in mind TP's high percentage came from getting to the hoop, which was taken away from him in the playoffs.
can you hold that against him?
hthe last few months is was on fire from the free thorw line and jumpers outside of 9 feet
do nto have that info here
It wasn't taken away in the playoffs. Tony scored a lot of layups in the playoffs.
PDBM - You say Tony can't hit jumpers, but he hit 46% of his jumpers outside 16 feet after the All-Star break. Don't keep looking at past years and complaining about Tony. He's a much different player and constantly getting better. Tony still shot over 50% against the Kings in the playoffs .. then he got hurt. Kirk Hinrich would never shoot 54% no matter what.How can you not acknowledge the teams they're playing on and the effect that has on the field goal percentage? You're telling me if Kirk's with the Spurs and starts getting open jumpers more often than in Chicago (where they hvae no interior offense) that his shooting percentage won't go up? ....
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