Varejao would be a great player to pick up if the Cavs would ever part with him, but not as good as Big Ben Wallace. Fear the Fro !!!
Every team in the league would be afraid to play us!
Nobody would score more than 70 points a game against us and we would be the best defensive team ever!!!
Tim- 1 of 2 best big men defenders in the NBA
Ben- 1 of 2 best big men defenders in the NBA
Bruce-best perimeter defender in the NBA
Manu-pretty good perimeter defender
Tony- his defense is a work in progress (but stopped Rip and steals)
Plus, we would dominate the boards!!!
No second chance points!!!
Great transition defense too!!!
Absolutely agreed. Unless we're talking about trading Manu or Parker (or Duncan) there's no way Detroit trades him here, and I don't really want to get rid of one of those guys. They're trying to win championships too and if he leaves their road will be tough enough, without trading a defensive force to one of their biggest rivals. Seriously, I really struggle to see the logic at work here...
If a free agent really wants to leave, you gotta try to get something back, and often you can't be too picky about what you get back.
That's the only logic at work here.
Sure it's a longshot, but so what? that's what the negotiation period is for.
The nets did get VC for eric williams, aaron williams and Zo who couldn't play at the time so you never know. The question is would Ben want to play here? I don't think so, i think he'd rather go to Chicago and make them a contender and be the star then be a role player here. He has a pretty big ego, he did want people to call the Pistons HIS team
Usually there's some capspace involved so the trading team gets some cheap pieces and draft picks. In this case salaries need to match (or come close) so unless we're talking about Manu or Parker they would have to take back some decent salaries attached to pretty mediocre players. I just think if he's going to leave they'd probably be better off just letting him walk then taking our garbage. Here's hoping I'm wrong, though.
Again, it's all up to Ben - IF he wants to leave, Joe has to go to work.
We are not getting Ben, I just dont see how the Pistons could be stupid enough to let him go. And even if we did get Ben, Im not saying he isnt amazing on d, but how long do you think his 31 year old body and 6 foot 9 frame will hold up banging in the west for 82 games. The Pistons already have dragged the best years out of him, and he didnt look like the same player at the end of the playoffs last year. I know he is the reigning defensive player of the year, but do we really need another older player. We neede to expolre youth options.
Who is better than Ben and a free agent?
We need a starting C.
The call will be made.
I would rather throw money at a Nene, Wilcox, Pryzbilla, and then still have money to go after a Harrington or Jeffries
Im not saying that anyone is better than Ben right now, what Im saying is if we did sign him, it would have to be for a lot of money for a long time, and in another season or 2 I dont think he will be the same player
You wouldn't have any money left. A sign-and-trade with Detroit would leave our exceptions intact.
Again, I'm not saying it will happen, but we'll try.
Ben is better than Nene ... and whoever else.
He fills our most obvious need right now.
It can't hurt to try.
And he knows we still play defense and Pop is more of a defensive coach than Flip.
I also don't know how much Ben would help teams that are not strong defensively elsewhere.
adding 1 great defensive player without a lot of offensive game to a team with weak defenders and good offense may not be an attractive option.
Remember, we all know Artest has a good offensive game. Ben's game is purely defense and rebounding.
For us, that works.
For others, it might not.
I know Ben is better than ing Nene, hes better than almost all big men, but nene is 8 or 9 years younger, and so are all of the other players I named, my problem with him is giving a load of money to an aging center whos best years of ball might be behind him. He shouldnt even have won defensive player of the year this year. And over the last couple of years his stats keep sliding down, probably from having to play three or four straight seasons without a backup
Fred Carter from NBA tv said that playing Ben too much cost the Pistons the series against the Heat.
He said that Ben was too much of a liability on the offensive end to justify playing him.
After their loss, his value might be a little more questioned, by the Pistons and others.
Much of the NBA today is going more towards a good offensive lineup (small ball). Ben is not quite as good a fit in that world.
We still, hopefully, are counting more on our defense to win us games than our offense.
That's why Ben doesn't seem to be a slamdunk for Chicago. He and Chandler and Sweetney would comprise the most offensively challenged frontline in the league.
Especially if they draft Tyrus Thomas, yikes
Ben has missed how many games ?
Nene's game is not going to improve dramatically. He's been in the league for a few years now. We know what he's about.
Ben's numbers were down so dramatically that he still won defensive player of the year. Hasn't he won defensive player of the year 4 of the last 5 years.
Ben is a great rebounder, a great shot blocker and a good position and help defender.
I can't say that stats are going to measure the impact that Ben has on a game. And what stats that are enlightening about his game are not going downhill that dramatically.
He may cost, but you're not getting Nene. You would be buying a championship.
It is the most obvious thing in the world to try. It probably won't happen, but it is definitely worth the attempt and if we can find any way to get it done we should and we will.
It seems to me that the most obvious and pressing need that Chicago has is a low post scorer.
All of their scoring is from the perimeter.
There is too much pressure on Chicago's guards to score by jumpshots. Ben Wallace at center would do nothing to alleviate that pressure.
And all of this seems extremely obvious and clear.
It is one of the things that commentators who broadcast Chicago games always point out.
Gordon, Heinrich, Duhon, Nocioni,
great perimeter team but can they score in the post ? The answer is simply no.
And most of the NBA knows this and I'm thinking that Skiles is well aware of this.
2 of the years that Ben has won d player of the year Bruce should have had it. Once again Im not saying Ben wouldnt be great for a couple of years, but we would have to lose a bunch of players, sign him to a long contract, and how many great years does he have left? We would be better off trying to trade for Kamen, its about just as realistic
I also find it ironic that you are questioning Ben's health and yet seem to have no problem touting Nene.
Pot meet Kettle.
I thought that you all had already met.
I want Luis Scola in SA...but...
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I would love to pick up Kaman.
I have been very impressed by his game.
He is a good defender with a solid offensive game.
However, I don't see the Clips parting with him. They were very close to going to the WCF last year.
Someone who averages a double double and is part of a tandem that averages more shot blocks than any other tandem and is part of a really, really good defensive team is not going to be easy to acquire. Especially at Kaman's age.
Clippers have shown that they are smart and serious about this. The moves that Baylor has made show that they are committed to maintaining/improving the Clippers. From nowhere to a legitimate top team, they are still wanting to move up. They know that getting rid of Kaman would be a huge mistake and the moves that they have made in the recent years show that they aren't going to do that (look at their resigning, look at their pickups.) Now, they are keeping their talent.
Ahh yes grasshopper, it is a difference in age. I know Nene has missed the last two seasons, but he is 22 or 23 compared to 31, 32. One player still has his bright future ahead of him while the others is soon to be wearing down. Nene wouldnt even be my first choice either so I dont even know why I am arguing about him. Wilcox is the guy I think
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