Ben Wallace Is Now A Bull

[Quadzilla99]

The Bulls are going to have an absolutely amazing defense next year they led the NBA in field goal defense by almost a full percentage point last year. Imagine what they can do next year.

[Bob Lanier]

Chauncey and other people who are at practices on a regular basis have already said long ago that Ben was flat out wrong. That they actually practiced and focused much more defense under Flip.

I find that almost impossible to believe, especially when the "confirmation" comes from Chauncey, the journeyman who in Flip's system is a max-contract-to-be "MVP candidate" (until he actually needs direction in the playoffs and there's no coach to provide it), and the assorted rabble from the Detroit media, who had received no cues to sabotage Flip from the front office.

Under LB defense was never pressed. The "players just went out there and did it"

I remember when Antonio McDyess first practiced in Detroit, he made particular note of the fact that LB's defensive system was more complex than any he'd ever seen, and the amount of attention payed to defense under LB was beyond any experience he'd had in his career.

Flip is an awful defensive coach, and nothing he ever said to the media during his tenure in Detroit leads me to believe that he cared about defensive basketball - except, of course, when he was specifically pressed on the issue, after which stories about his legendary defensive practices emerged. Any failure was blamed on poor offensive execution or shooting; or maybe minor coaching mistakes had been made, and vague promises of corrections (not one of which did he actually keep) were issued. Even in the regular season before his beloved offense melted down, statistically the Pistons' defense was mediocre and any observer could see that it was undisciplined. Flip couldn't design an effective defensive scheme, he couldn't adapt to any adjustments opposing offenses made, and most importantly he couldn't motivate his players to consistently apply effort and discipline on that end of the floor. I don't care how rigorous his practices were, because the only results that matter are the ones shown on the court in-game, and those results expose Flip as a fraud.

I believe, no matter what is written, that Ben's dislike of Flip was a major cause in his departure from Detroit.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Some good news. Pistons resigned Lindsey and he will work with Joe D. when he retires.

As much as I love Hunter ... I'd rather he retire. I'd love to see him in the fornt office or coaching. I would like to see Blalock or even Acker get some run. I think Blalock is going to be a great player for us. He is much more of a passer than hunter or even Chauncey is.

We're going to be more of a running team this year. One of Chauncey's negatives is that he is not so wonderful on the break. He see openings too late. I've watched him lead too many 2 on 1's and 3 on 1's where he couldn't figure out how or when to pass the ball.

I think Blalock will be a huge advantage in a more up tempo set. Hunter being on the team just keeps him and Acker on the bench.

We'll see though. I'm looking forward to the summer league to see what some of the younger guys can do.

[Vizzini]

I love Ben Wallace and I thank him for all that he has given to Detroit sports fans, but he is not worth what amounts to 15 mil a year until he is 36. That is just no feasible. The Pistons may take a hit now, but in a few years when Chauncey, Rip and Tay are still near the top of their game, they will be able to totally rebuild their front court and be compe ive again. What a ty day for Detroit sports fans, first Steve Yzerman retires and then Big Ben leaves for Chicago. Thank God the Tigers are playing great or this would be the most depressing summer ever.

P.S. on a good note, now whenever I see or hear ESPN mention a story about Big Ben, I won't need to wait around only to be disapointed about another story on Ben Roethesliberger (sp?)

[Vinnie_Johnson]

The Bulls are going to have an absolutely amazing defense next year they led the NBA in field goal defense by almost a full percentage point last year. Imagine what they can do next year.

True but who is there go to scoring guy?? 4 years 60 million for a 32 year old 6-10 center is a little much.

[beirmeistr]

might be closer to 6-9

[Vinnie_Johnson]

I love Ben Wallace and I thank him for all that he has given to Detroit sports fans, but he is not worth what amounts to 15 mil a year until he is 36. That is just no feasible. The Pistons may take a hit now, but in a few years when Chauncey, Rip and Tay are still near the top of their game, they will be able to totally rebuild their front court and be compe ive again. What a ty day for Detroit sports fans, first Steve Yzerman retires and then Big Ben leaves for Chicago. Thank God the Tigers are playing great or this would be the most depressing summer ever.

P.S. on a good note, now whenever I see or hear ESPN mention a story about Big Ben, I won't need to wait around only to be disapointed about another story on Ben Roethesliberger (sp?)

Truth be told I am not half as sick as I was when Hill left that was a dark day.

[Bob Lanier]

Generously 6-8.

[Vizzini]

Truth be told I am not half as sick as I was when Hill left that was a dark day.

Very true. I will never forget that day. I was absolutley stunned when Grant left. This one doesn't hurt nearly as much.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Very true. I will never forget that day. I was absolutley stunned when Grant left. This one doesn't hurt nearly as much.

Those were dark days we didn't even sniff the playoffs. When Hill left I felt like I was dumped by a stone cold babe.

[Quadzilla99]

Generously 6-8.

He actually admitted he was 6'7 in this article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...nba&id=2437567

"Though Wallace is listed as a 6-foot-9, 240-pound center, he said he's really 6-7, making his respectable matchups with O'Neal even more impressive because he gives up six inches and about 100 pounds."

[AFE7FATMAN]

All he's getting is $1 million more a Year than the Pistons offered him? Why would he leave?

Can you say Flip"

[Pistons < Spurs]

I find that almost impossible to believe, especially when the "confirmation" comes from Chauncey, the journeyman who in Flip's system is a max-contract-to-be "MVP candidate" (until he actually needs direction in the playoffs and there's no coach to provide it), and the assorted rabble from the Detroit media, who had received no cues to sabotage Flip from the front office.

Your dislike of Chauncey is well known! You always have something negative for him in your comments! I know you think he's been bought by Flip! But I still listen to what he says. Yes he's more of a 'politician' than Ben is in regards to his comments and interviews he gives. But to me, Ben is more of a grumpy whiny child at times, and can't really take anything he says seriously. He simply es too much for me.

I remember when Antonio McDyess first practiced in Detroit, he made particular note of the fact that LB's defensive system was more complex than any he'd ever seen, and the amount of attention payed to defense under LB was beyond any experience he'd had in his career.

Flip is an awful defensive coach, and nothing he ever said to the media during his tenure in Detroit leads me to believe that he cared about defensive basketball - except, of course, when he was specifically pressed on the issue, after which stories about his legendary defensive practices emerged. Any failure was blamed on poor offensive execution or shooting; or maybe minor coaching mistakes had been made, and vague promises of corrections (not one of which did he actually keep) were issued. Even in the regular season before his beloved offense melted down, statistically the Pistons' defense was mediocre and any observer could see that it was undisciplined. Flip couldn't design an effective defensive scheme, he couldn't adapt to any adjustments opposing offenses made, and most importantly he couldn't motivate his players to consistently apply effort and discipline on that end of the floor. I don't care how rigorous his practices were, because the only results that matter are the ones shown on the court in-game, and those results expose Flip as a fraud.

I don't think anyone will ever say that Flip is a defensive coach. Let alone a good defensive coach. My belief though, is that our performance on the defensive side has always been pure effort.

I strongly agree with:

and most importantly he couldn't motivate his players to consistently apply effort and discipline on that end of the floor.

You nailed it with that comment. I do wonder though if it was really that his abilities and message sucks, or the players, beefed up on iness and arrogance this year, just didn't listen. They blocked him out IMO thinking they knew everything and could get it done when they needed to. Maybe now they will refocus, and take things a little more seriously.

I think way too many people put all the blame on Flip. They love to pile it all on his shoulders. Sure, he's an easy scapegoat. But I thought this year was supposed where the players showed that it wasn't LB's brilliance, but rather their wonderful chemistry and abilities that got it done for them. They can't have it both ways. I saw way more arrogance in them this year. I saw way too little effort at times. Of course the Coach shares in some of the blame. There were tons of things he could have done better. But IMO the players ALWAYS take more responsibility than the players for success and for failure.

I believe, no matter what is written, that Ben's dislike of Flip was a major cause in his departure from Detroit.

I know you do. You've made that quite clear on many occasions. I just don't agree with you! lol

[Vizzini]

Those were dark days we didn't even sniff the playoffs. When Hill left I felt like I was dumped by a stone cold babe.

Exactly. Those where the days of cheering for Grant Hill's all-star vote totals and praying for an above .500 record.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Exactly. Those where the days of cheering for Grant Hill's all-star vote totals and praying for an above .500 record.

I can't tell you how happy I was that he signed a center named Bison Dele Terry Mills for threeeeee!!!!!

[Vizzini]

I can't tell you how happy I was that he signed a center named Bison Dele Terry Mills for threeeeee!!!!!

Bison Dele! Good Lord I had forgotten about him. Terry Mills and his rainbow threes, Grant Long and Cadillac Anderson, Oliver Miller and Bill Curley. The Pistons have come a long way since then.

[Trainwreck2100]

Those were dark days we didn't even sniff the playoffs. When Hill left I felt like I was dumped by a stone cold babe.

didn't you dodge a bullet with his injury though?

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Bison Dele! Good Lord I had forgotten about him. Terry Mills and his rainbow threes, Grant Long and Cadillac Anderson, Oliver Miller and Bill Curley. The Pistons have come a long way since then.

Those guys were no William Bedford or Fenis Dembo mind you.







Ah crap I need a stiff drink sound the gong

[Quadzilla99]

Don't forget the Bulls also get the Knicks pick from next year (they switch picks). If they get Oden which is actually possible that'd be ridiculous.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

didn't you dodge a bullet with his injury though?

Damn straight best thing that ever happened to the team. But at the time we were all just sick. Think about what it would have felt like if Duncan joined him.

[Vizzini]

Those guys were no William Bedford or Fenis Dembo mind you.







Ah crap I need a stiff drink sound the gong

Yeah, it won't be nearly as bad until November rolls around. He will be missed, not 15 mil a year missed, but missed never the less.

[Spurologist]

Pistons fans. There is a great replacement out there for Benny Wallace. This guy is a balla too.






K
























V



















H

[Isiah Thomas]

Don't forget the Bulls also get the Knicks pick from next year (they switch picks). If they get Oden which is actually possible that'd be ridiculous.

I think not my friend, the Bulls will get the 80th pick when my team goes 94-0

[timvp]

Pistons fans. The is a great replacement out there for Benny Wallace. This guy is a balla too.






K
























V



















H

That would be funny but who do you think the Spurs sign if they don't get Przybilla?

Yep.

[Spurologist]

That would be funny but who do you think the Spurs sign if they don't get Przybilla?

Yep.

Every iota of the spurs in my being with cease to exist.

This will also be part of my daily routine