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    Yes I did. And it showed Clinton and his gang running and hiding and not
    able to make a decision. It shows Madam Albright in all her glory. Like
    tipping off all the surrounding countries when Clinton was going to bomb
    AQ.

    It also shows some inepitude, I think, on the Bush administration, since they
    were still trying to get some policies in place.

    But those only scratch the surface of my observations. How bout you,
    did you watch it?


    The thing that worries me is that I think a lot of people that saw this fictional miniseries will react like xray. People just seem to have a hard time discerning fact from fiction, even when it is perfectly clear that source is a work of fiction.

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    The thing that worries me is that I think a lot of people that saw this fictional miniseries will react like xray. People just seem to have a hard time discerning fact from fiction, even when it is perfectly clear that source is a work of fiction.

    It serves his agenda of blindly following Bush. I must say there are many people on both sides who see what they want to see and are to blinded to realize it. (see xrayzebra as a prime example)

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    It serves his agenda of blindly following Bush. I must say there are many people on both sides who see what they want to see and are to blinded to realize it. (see xrayzebra as a prime example)
    See Boutons

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    "this fictional miniseries will react like xray."

    Which was the supreme objective of the Repug who produced and wrote the fiction, no doubt in close cooperation with Rove and other Repug slime-bots.

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    no comment

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    The thing that worries me is that I think a lot of people that saw this fictional miniseries will react like xray. People just seem to have a hard time discerning fact from fiction, even when it is perfectly clear that source is a work of fiction.
    Its like the whole Sandy Berger shoving papers down his pants and socks spin, none of the claims are based on facts, just misreporting, but if its repeated by the wing-nut media echo-chamber enough times who's to say what's real and what's spin? Certainly not wing-nuts.

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    I doubt this miniseries had any real effect on Xray's view of history.

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    So now in America when the GOP is in control just shut up because there is no more free and open debate. Of course the same GOP is trying to install a democracy in Iraq with free and open debate.... irony?

    How do I know Bush is wrong? The same reason why you think he is right..

    Now it's the media's fault.. so what are the positives that the media leaves out? I am going to go on a limb and assume you are a regualr talk radio listener.. All I hear those chickenhawks do is compalin about only the bad news in Iraq being reported... well why don't they go to Iraq and report it themselves?

    Not the guy who started the unecessary war in Iraq ....

    The same democratic party that has people who have actually served in the Armed forces and put their necks on the line..they hate America..

    Once Again, simple minded BS. Yes I do listen
    to talk radio. Why not, I am not allowed to? Do
    you listen to anything but the slime and BS that
    is put out by people of your elk.

    As far as risking lives in the Armed Forces, fellow,
    I have news for you. I did and proudly. I was a
    lifer, so stick that in your damn pipe and smoke it
    along with the rest of the stuff you smoke.

    You have the freedom to put you crap out about
    how bad your government is and do give aid and
    comfort to the enemy and then tell me how bad
    I am to tell you how simple minded you are. I
    have spent many years on this earth and know
    from experience. How many you spend many
    well depend on you and how you conduct yourself.

    You may well be as old as me, but I doubt it. I
    have supported my country and will continue to
    do so. But you had better grown up and learn
    from old farts like myself or you may well never
    get the opportunity to do so.

    As far as free and open debate, give me a break.
    Calling your President a fascist, a liar, and every other name you can think of is not debate.
    It is what it is HATE. Stopping every program to
    protect this country in the name of privacy or
    whatever liberal term you can come up with is
    not debate, it is protecting the enemy. If you
    think this the correct way to go then you are the
    enemy. I have no qualms in saying that. You take the side of the enemy and against the citizens of this country. That is a fact.

    Unnecessary war. What a BS statement. What is
    a necessary war. Give me your definition smart
    guy. You kill the enemy whereever they exist.

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    Or ask me.

    Sincerely,

    General Pervez Musharraf
    Horse Hockey, as always.

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    Horse Hockey, as always.
    I realize you have been gone awhile -- have you not heard about the deal Musharraf struck with Islamic militants in North Waziristan?

    Need a link?

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    It serves his agenda of blindly following Bush. I must say there are many people on both sides who see what they want to see and are to blinded to realize it. (see xrayzebra as a prime example)
    You accuse me of following blindly. You really are
    a simple minded fool. You follow when you have
    no idea what the world is all about. Just don't
    bother them and they wont bother us.

    The bombing of the FIRST WTC happened. The Bombings of the Embassies didn't
    happen. The Bombing of the Cole didn't happen.
    I could go on, but will spare you. These things
    happened when we were not in Iraq nor Iran or
    anywhere, except Saudi Arabia, when we lost a
    lot of people in bombing. We also pulled out of
    two other places when we sustained deaths and
    destruction. Remember them dumb ass? So
    like most of your kind, just stick your head back
    in the sand and we will protect what is left
    sticking out. Your Ass.

    Blind, yeah you are. As a bat!

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    I realize you have been gone awhile -- have you not heard about the deal Musharraf struck with Islamic militants in North Waziristan?

    Need a link?
    I could care less about a link. We aren't Islamic.
    We are considered a Christian nation. As long as
    we are. we are a target. Which part of wanting us
    dead do you not understand. You try understanding their hatred for us. I will continue
    to push for killing them. Okay?

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    I could care less about a link. We aren't Islamic.
    We are considered a Christian nation. As long as
    we are. we are a target. Which part of wanting us
    dead do you not understand. You try understanding their hatred for us. I will continue
    to push for killing them. Okay?
    I'm not Christian or Muslim for that matter, but I was born right here in the good old USA. Am I still an American?

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    Sorry you got distracted from pushing to kill those terrorists Musharraf just struck a deal with by the invasion of Iraq. Now we couldn't go into Pakistan to kill those folks even if we were able to.

    Pity, isn't it?

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    I'm not Christian or Muslim for that matter, but I was born right here in the good old USA. Am I still an American?
    I don't know, are you? I am not surprised you aren't
    a Christian. We have a lot of your folks on this
    forum that claim they aren't and denounce him. I am a Christan. But it wont make much difference to
    the folks that want to kill us, since you aren't a
    Muslim either. You will just die or conform. Simple isn't it. Now you could try negotiating, but
    on what terms?

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    Sorry you got distracted from pushing to kill those terrorists Musharraf just struck a deal with by the invasion of Iraq. Now we couldn't go into Pakistan to kill those folks even if we were able to.

    Pity, isn't it?
    You want to go back and re-write the above, it
    doesn't make sense: "Musharraf just stuck a deal with by the invasion of Iraq".

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    Sorry you got distracted from pushing to kill those terrorists - with whom Musharraf just struck a deal - by the invasion of Iraq. Now we couldn't go into Pakistan to kill those folks even if we were able to.

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    I may have to retract my words and read the link. I
    have no idea what you are talking about. I am not
    aware of any deal Musharraf made. But Muslims do
    make deals, normally through power based politics or
    necessity. So post your link and I will read it.
    But also remember they are notorious for going back
    on their deals.

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    I don't know, are you? I am not surprised you aren't
    a Christian. We have a lot of your folks on this
    forum that claim they aren't and denounce him. I am a Christan. But it wont make much difference to
    the folks that want to kill us, since you aren't a
    Muslim either. You will just die or conform. Simple isn't it. Now you could try negotiating, but
    on what terms?
    Denounce who? Christ.
    Eh, no. I may not follow any religion but I don't bash any either. It's not cool. To me that's sacrelige. Honestly, I try to respect other people's beliefs so long as they respect mine.

    And no, I will not just die or conform. I sure as won't conform and put blinders on and support an administration as ed up as this one.

    I said it once and I guess I'm going to have to say it again. Al Qaeda attacked us on 9/11 not Iraq. Osama is still at large and both the Taliban and AQ are still at it in Afghanistan. We should have stuck to finishing the job there first instead of getting ass-deep in Iraq.

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    Here's a link. I certainly agree that Musharref is covering his own ass, but that's what military dictators do whether they're our kind of military dictators or not. You'd think we'd have learned this from when Saddam was our homeboy.

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    Denounce who? Christ.
    Eh, no. I may not follow any religion but I don't bash any either. It's not cool. To me that's sacrelige. Honestly, I try to respect other people's beliefs so long as they respect mine.

    And no, I will not just die or conform. I sure as won't conform and put blinders on and support an administration as ed up as this one.

    I said it once and I guess I'm going to have to say it again. Al Qaeda attacked us on 9/11 not Iraq. Osama is still at large and both the Taliban and AQ are still at it in Afghanistan. We should have stuck to finishing the job there first instead of getting ass-deep in Iraq.
    Osama was at large before 9/11 through no
    fault of President Bush. Once again you show your simple minded approach and follow the
    line of the liberals. Ass deep in Iraq, nothing
    wrong with it. We needed to go there. I agree
    with the President. The only thing I disagree with
    is not sending more troops and fully occupying
    Iraq. I disagree with the fact we haven't finished
    kicking enough butt over there. Yeah I am a
    warmonger, that is what they called us under the
    old cold war days. Victory, total victory, will end
    it all. They is no talking to those who would lose
    power if we win until they know they have lost.

    And you once again demonstrate someone who
    has no backbone. I am not a Christian but, but
    I have nothing against them. It just not cool. I
    guess you have nothing against the Muslims who
    chop off heads. What a dumb statement. Oh
    by the way what is your beliefs, that you want
    respected?

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    Oh, and yes I AM AN AMERICAN. Questioning our leaders motives and policies to me is patriotic. Right or Left, we elect them to office to serve us, the American people not corperations and lobbyists.

    I think Theodore Roosevelt (a true conservative) said it best.

    "The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other at ude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

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    Osama was at large before 9/11 through no
    fault of President Bush. Once again you show your simple minded approach and follow the
    line of the liberals. Ass deep in Iraq, nothing
    wrong with it. We needed to go there. I agree
    with the President. The only thing I disagree with
    is not sending more troops and fully occupying
    Iraq. I disagree with the fact we haven't finished
    kicking enough butt over there. Yeah I am a
    warmonger
    , that is what they called us under the
    old cold war days. Victory, total victory, will end
    it all. They is no talking to those who would lose
    power if we win until they know they have lost.

    And you once again demonstrate someone who
    has no backbone. I am not a Christian but, but
    I have nothing against them. It just not cool. I
    guess you have nothing against the Muslims who
    chop off heads.
    What a dumb statement. Oh
    by the way what is your beliefs, that you want
    respected?
    You're a warmonger as well as an idiot.

    I am completely against fanatic Muslims that chop off innocent people's heads just like I am very much against fanatic Christians that bomb abortion clinics you dumb, crazy, old fool.

    Shows how much you know about people.

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    And you once again demonstrate someone who
    has no backbone. I am not a Christian but, but
    I have nothing against them. It just not cool. I
    guess you have nothing against the Muslims who
    chop off heads. What a dumb statement. Oh
    by the way what is your beliefs, that you want
    respected?
    I would imagine that the way he feels about Muslims "who chop off heads" is probably the same as he feels about Christians who chop off heads. I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

    Or are you alleging that all Muslims chop off heads? You couldn't be alleging that, because such an assertion would be ridiculous.

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    You're a warmonger as well as an idiot.

    I am completely against fanatic Muslims that chop off innocent people's heads just like I am very much against fanatic Christians that bomb abortion clinics you dumb, crazy, old fool.

    Shows how much you know about people.

    No comparison, idiot! There's been ONE guy arrested and convicted of an abortion clinic bombing - how many innocents have been killed by the Muslim fanatics? Yeah, I thought so.

    Also, not one Christian leader condoned the abortion clinic bombing - how many Muslim clerics have stepped up and publicly condemned the actions of the fanatics? Yeah, I thought so.

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