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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    Yeah, the "Yoni is a liar" nerve.
    Wow! You have one of those. Impressive.

    Since when would it take two years? Call a special session and tell the Congress and press exactly why you are doing what you are doing.
    Better yet, just don't vote the obstructionist spendaholics into office. That's my plan.

    Has he vetoed ANY spending bill in his Presidency? Ever? The record shows SPENDING is his weakness.
    No, the record shows it is this Congress' weakness but, one that is shared, in spades, by the Democrats.

    That's knuckling under to Democrats. That you would agree to that is no surprise, I'm just surprised you admitted to it so early on.
    He's not going to play politics with our military. And, that's the first thing the Democrats will do. What was that Rangel said...

    Oh yeah, "the President will still be in charge of foreign policy but, he has to pay for it, doesn't he?"

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    Chump, you seem to be arguing that congress will not be able to accomplish their goals if Democrats get the majority...............why are you even arguing this?
    Depends on what their goals are. The President can keep Congress from "accomplishing their goals" if he wants to.
    Is this like before you go golfing that right off the bat you say your hamstring feels funny so that you'll have an excuse why you played badly before the round even starts?
    It's like saying Jeff Gillooly is following me around the course with a metal baton and can hit me in the knee at any time if he doesn't like how I'm playing.

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    It's like saying Jeff Gillooly is following me around the course with a metal baton and can hit me in the knee at any time if he doesn't like how I'm playing.


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    "Depends on what their goals are. The President can keep Congress from "accomplishing their goals" if he wants to."


    But in order to do this he'd have to compromise on his beliefs..........which is something you and I and everyone on this forum absolutely know for a fact, Bush will not do.

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    Better yet, just don't vote the obstructionist spendaholics into office. That's my plan.
    And after that fails?
    No, the record shows it is this Congress' weakness but, one that is shared, in spades, by the Democrats.
    Prove to me Bush is against that kind of spending.
    He's not going to play politics with our military.

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    But in order to do this he'd have to compromise on his beliefs..........which is something you and I and everyone on this forum absolutely know for a fact, Bush will not do.
    He won't have a choice but to make some compromises. Whether he ever vetos a bill depends on how strongly he feels about whatever issues are raised by the bill. The simple fact is he doesn't care that much about cutting spending at all or else we would've seen some evidence of it in six years.

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    He won't have a choice but to make some compromises. Whether he ever vetos a bill depends on how strongly he feels about whatever issues are raised by the bill. The simple fact is he doesn't care that much about cutting spending at all or else we would've seen some evidence of it in six years.

    I see it differently in that I don't think he will make any compromises. And for that matter, how do you make a compromise without a line item veto as well as two party's just trying to undermine the other? Bush will not waiver on military spending, he never has, he never will.......that's the one thing I do respect about that guy, he's pretty solid in his convictions..........just so happens that a lot of times, those convictions are nonsense.

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    And after that fails?
    We'll see...

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    I'll admit that I've been pwned in this thread.
    Kerry needs to apologize and his political ambitions for the office of the President are toast.

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    Apparently some Democrats didn't get the "joke" or the memo, and agree with the proposition that Iraq is for the stupid.

    The Democrat Daily

    Talk about speaking the stark truth to students who want more out of life. The education system in California is a mess, especially in L.A. County. Each day I pick my daughter up at school I see the recruiters leaving, smiling because they have snagged another kid who’s trapped by the system and sees no future other than enlisting. It shouldn’t be like this. A 50% drop out rate is unacceptable. What is the bottom line for these kids, a job at McDonald’s or Iraq. Kudos to Kerry for delivering a wake up call to the young voters at the rally.
    That takes me back to Kerry's defense that it is inconceivable he would say anything like this deliberately.

    Isn't that claim -- of "inconceivability" -- undermined by the fact that many of his political supporters believe in the precise truth of the "inconceivable"? Not to mention his history of bashing troops while still under fire in foreign lands.

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    Yes, I've it read it all and that doesn't change my opinion of him. And it is my opinion just the same as it is your opinion.
    Just like you will defend Bush even knowing what you know now.
    Get it?

    And you claim to be a retired Marine. So much for supporting those that
    fought for their country. And JF Kerry, the wounded Viet Nam veteran.
    I suppose the Marine Corps taught you how to kill the innocent.

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    -- Sen. John Kerry issues a statement saying: "I personally apologize to any service member, family member, or American who was offended" by comments he made about being "stuck in Iraq."

    Too late?

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    And you claim to be a retired Marine. So much for supporting those that
    fought for their country. And JF Kerry, the wounded Viet Nam veteran.
    I suppose the Marine Corps taught you how to kill the innocent.
    Once a Marine, always a Marine. A Marine's job is to kill. Semper Fi!!

    And where did I ever say I don't suppor the men and women in our Military? Where damnit!! I still keep in touch with my Marine brothers to this very day and that will not change and some are diehard republicans but that NEVER comes between us..NEVER!!

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    -- Sen. John Kerry issues a statement saying: "I personally apologize to any service member, family member, or American who was offended" by comments he made about being "stuck in Iraq."

    Too late?
    First, that's not exactly what he said. It was more of an "I apologize for being misinterpreted" apology. Second, yeah, good enough for me. I think he's done all the damage he can and besides, it would have only meant something if he'd of apologized about, oh, 24 hours ago.

    As the White House has already stated...he's apologized, what more is to be said?

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    Once a Marine, always a Marine.
    I think Representative Murtha has just about rubbed the felt off that old saying.

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    I think Representative Murtha has just about rubbed the felt off that old saying.
    No he hasn't. I'd follow him into battle any day of the week.

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    No he hasn't. I'd follow him into battle any day of the week.
    Wouldn't he have to be leading you into battle for you to be following? The only place it appears you'd be following Murtha is in retreat. Some in' Marine he's turned out to be.

    , he wants to redeploy everyone to Okinawa -- which, by the way, is a of a lot further away from the action than Germany which has the logistics and resources to support a few hundred thousand men.

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    No he hasn't. I'd follow him into battle any day of the week.
    Okay, so riddle me this, Joe.

    You've got Murtha standing to your left and Oliver North standing to your right; One is boarding a plane for Okinawa and the other for Baghdad.

    Who do you follow?

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    Okay, so riddle me this, Joe.

    You've got Murtha standing to your left and Oliver North standing to your right; One is boarding a plane for Okinawa and the other for Baghdad.

    Who do you follow?
    Which ever is in my commanding officer.

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    Oliver North is one crazy mother er. YV and Whott need get their platoon under Ollie wiped out stupdly, would help upgrade the gene pool.

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    It was more of an "I apologize for being misinterpreted" apology. Second, yeah, good enough for me. I think he's done all the damage he can and besides, it would have only meant something if he'd of apologized about, oh, 24 hours ago.
    And let us not forget, the apology came well after he boldly proclaimed, "I apologize to no one"!
    He's absolutely believable...

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    Damn flip-flopper!

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    He was against apologizing before he was for it.

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    Which ever is in my commanding officer.
    I see...

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    -- Sen. John Kerry issues a statement saying: "I personally apologize to any service member, family member, or American who was offended" by comments he made about being "stuck in Iraq."

    Too late?
    Now that his own party is giving him grief about the comments, that apology comes out looking like a pouty child who's been told to say he's sorry.

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