Link to when Brent Barry has ever been a great performer in the playoffs?Barry has been playing really well for us this year & I think we are definitly going to need his shooting in the playoffs
BullcrapWithout Barry spurs do not have a consistent 3pt shooter.
Horry is shooting over 40% for the month of December, Bonner is shooting better.
Ginobili is shooting well.
I don't understand where you guys get that you think Barry is gonna change his spots and become a "clutch" shooter in the playoffs.
Barry as clutch shooter isn't the point. Barry as outside threat is. Maggette wouldn't be a threat at all.
But that's not the issue for the Spurs, IMO. Among others (Magg's brittleness, bad contract, etc.), Barry is one of the major reasons the bench has been working so well for the Spurs this year, when it does. He is tough to replace at this point.
Maggette is expensive for what he offers. If this were Pietrus or Josh Childress, the Spurs would do it instantly, but Maggette cripples their flexibility for only a potential quick fix.
All I know is that Horry won't play above 10 minutes a game in the playoffs, Bonner as well (if he can earn 2 minutes a game that would be awesome to him) .
Barry is in a rotation.
And I know - many barry haters in here. But hmm who was in the rotation when spurs were winning the 2005 le? (just 7 guys were playing)
Robert is not a Big shot Bob anymore and the worst thing about him is that he is getting older and slower and his defense has dropped since 2005., he won't earn more then 12 minutes. Some could say that 10 is enough, but it isn't as we have no reagular rotation (yet).
I would love to have a guy like Maggete but he is risky at this point (btw - I wanted Antony Carter and Ron Mercer one year they became spurs but that was their end)
dont think we should pull the trigger on the barry for maggete trade but i do think, now that bonner should get horry's minutes
Spurs have a lot of shooters, they can trade Barry for Maggete and still remain a good shooting team : Udrih, Ginobili, Finley, bowen, Horry nad bonner can all hit 3 pointers with a good accuracy.
If Spurs need another shooter (especially if Udrih is packaged with Barry), they can sign Casey Jacobsen for the min.
Spurs need to trade Barry if to get Maggette : you can do a trade that work under the cba without Barry but Barry+Maggette = too much money spend on backup SG/SF for next season.
Spurs should really trade Barry for Maggette if the trade is on the table : Ginobili/Bowen/Maggette/Finley will be a great and versatile swingmen rotation.
If Ron Artest wasn't such a headcase he'd be a lot closer to what the Spurs need.
But that's like saying if the ocean wasn't wet it'd be perfect.
Why not trade Bowen and Horry then?
Bowen is arguably the most important Spur not named Tim Duncan. Without him, the Spurs don't win in 2003 or 2005, and he's not showing signs of slowing down. In fact, he's our most durable player.
If the Spurs were going to trade Horry, they should get back a lot more for him than Maggette.
They are old
Are you serious?
The Spurs are caught in a tough situation. They're right up against the cap and they have an old, aging roster of complimentary players that are not tradeable assets.
I love the James White pickup, but we all know that move is for down the road. The Spurs have no one to help bridge the gap between Bowen and this rookie at that position.
I know it's a "chicken-crap" thing for me to say, but I do blame Pop and R.C. for not addressing this situation, in part, before now. It's was a crucial mistake to allow this team get as old as it has, while relying on older, perimeter players to try and keep up with the younger, quicker, perimeter talent in the West.
We either make the trade or give E-Will more time.
spurs did not realize the nba was going small so soon
and make the nba rule changes
I blame the front office on small ball movement but not the rule changes with the handcheckng
Blame for the small ball movenment?
Precise it man.
If they don't make this trade they are ing idiots. Period. TPark and anyone else can lecture me about the 'experience' and 'knowledge' of Pop, but if he passes on this deal he's a ing dumbass.
You make this deal and you've got a core of TD, TP, Manu, and Maggette for the rest of the Duncan era.
And as much as Pop is apparently in love with small ball, Corey would be perfect for his stupid ass small ball in the four spot.
ok now....
dont call probably one of the few elite coaches together with his front office dumbasses
they prooved to be really good in what they do in the last decade
IF THIS DEAL WOULD BE THIS ING SIMPLE (meaning Maggete brings more than Spurs loose with Udrih and Barry) THEY WOULD DO IT
but there must be something that turned them off; what they officialy say (or the source say) is just some random excuse
WE CANT KNOW what is the real reason the didnt pull the trade
and there is SOMETHING that WE DONT KNOW
you cant just look at some stats and say this player/s is better than the other
there are many factors fans like us dont see
imo one of the important factors is that CM is not as good 3pt shooter as Barry and so he cant pull the defence away from doubling TD
and TD is still by far most important Spur coming playoff time
I'm sorry, but if they pass on this they are dumbasses.
* Our bench is old
* Pop seems committed to small ball, but doesn't have a small ball PF on his roster
* Every time we have cleared cap room for free agency, we have crap to show for it.
Given all that, Maggette addresses the first two issues and as far as #3 goes it'll be better using money on him than overpaying some scrubs when we can't get any FAs to come to SA.
I've got League Pass, I watch them play all the timeyou cant just look at some stats and say this player/s is better than the other
there are many factors fans like us dont seeI'm basing it on watching how Maggette plays, not reading his damn stats. He's not the greatest three point shooter, but him and Duncan in the pick and roll would be lethal.
We need someone else who can initiate a half court offense come the playoffs, and Corey can do that. He's great at getting to the basket, and I'd bet he'd actually average more assists per game than Tony does.
You're a lunatic. Only two seasons of his career has he not averaged more turnovers than assists.
True, that was three and four years ago, when he was actually worth all the money people want us to pay him.
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say but Maggette >>>>>>>>> Pietrus or Childress. You trade for Pietrus or Childress and it's a move for the future. Neither one would be that much of a factor this season.
I'm not as big of a Pietrus fan as most people on this forum. He's fragile, doesn't have much of a halfcourt offensive game and is a bit of whiner. Childress I like his long term potential, but that's three or four years down the line. Right now if he was on the team, he'd be behind Barry and Finley. His man-to-man defense is horrid and most of his points come from the inside ... which wouldn't work on the Spurs because that's Duncan's space.
Maggette is a player you can plug in and get production from right away. He's an elite slasher already, gives you the needed rebounding and fits perfectly with the roster.
I'm all for Corey Maggette, but you all are going overboard now.
He's not going average more assists than Tony.
He's not going to become a Bruce Bowen type defender.
He's not going to out rebound Tim Duncan.
He's not going to leap tall buildings in a single bound.
He would come here and do the same things he always does ... be a streaky shooter, hustle, battle for boards, get to the rack and to the line, get hurt often. Don't over inflate his contributions just because you want him here. He's good enough to merit wanting anyway.
Corey Maggette isn't fragile? What?? I think you're loving this guy far more than he deserves. Pietrus and Childress are far better players than Maggette is THIS YEAR. PLUS they'd get much better in the future. They don't have the problems playing defense, are not malcontents, are far cheaper, and both can actually hit three pointers.
Childress gets most of his points on the inside? Where does Maggette get his? At least Chilly has worked on his outside game.
Pietrus gets just as many rebounds as Maggette does. And *gasp* Childress gets more. They both have better characters at this point and are extremely good shotblockers at their position.
Picking Maggette over either of these guys is imbecilic. This forum is seriously overvaluing what Corey Maggette is.
And yes, Robert Horry is more valuable to a playoff team than Corey Maggette, even if he shoots 20% from the field.
Pietrus averages 5.2 boards in 32 mpg. Maggette averages 5.5 boards in 26 mpg. Not quite the same. Childress averages more - 6.3 - but in 37mpg.
Maggette is the better rebounder of the 3.
Ok. You guys win. Let's break the bank for Mr. Glass (in more ways than one) Corey Maggette, who will kill our chances to get an actual SF, is extremely injury prone, and will wreck what continuity our bench has by costing our best bench player.
Corey Maggette costs as much as Josh Childress and Mickael Pietrus COMBINED in terms of salary.
Don't say you guys win. Did you read my post prior to that? I am saying the same thing as you - that people here are overinflating his value. But there's no reason for you to try to make him look worse. His rebounding is obviously better than those two.
I like Josh Childress but I don't like Pietrus at all. But right now it's Maggette who is on the block, not either of those two. From the beginning I've said that I don't think the Spurs will go for Maggette because of the length of his contract. So I'm on the same page.
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