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I guess if you guys didn't argue with people without any logic, you wouldn't have a board to post on.
To call out all these dudes on their VY love is almost a crime not to mention the hate.
When Jake Plummer was yanked in favor of Jay Cutler, the Broncos were 7-3. Plummer had a higher QB rating then VYoung.
By these accounts, Plummer "just won games" at the same clip as VYoung and had better numbers.
How good is Jake Plummer?
I guess if you guys didn't argue with people without any logic, you wouldn't have a board to post on.
To call out all these dudes on their VY love is almost a crime not to mention the hate.
Am I the only one that can't figure out who this guy is referring too?
QB is the position that takes all the blame for wins or losses, Vince helped turn a team around that was dead last . Most of MJD tds were because Fred Taylor would talke them all the way to the goaline, and MJD, being the 3rd down and goaline rb would then get the carry, same reason Barber had so many tds.
[QUOTE]Agreed
Agreed, although I think they'll be like the Dolphins were this year, "the hot team at the end of the season that everyone hypes up the next year and they dissapoint".Vince helped turn a team around that was dead last .
Not with a 5.7 yards per carry average.Most of MJD tds were because Fred Taylor would talke them all the way to the goaline, and MJD, being the 3rd down and goaline rb would then get the carry, same reason Barber had so many tds.
no, i can't either.
i 'think' he is saying for us to call out the vyoung lovers is ironic since we are the haters. thats my guess? but who really knows...
John Elway threw for 47.5%, 7 TDs, and 14 INTs in his first year. Terry Bradshaw threw for 38%, and 6 TD's and 26 INTs in his first year. Troy Aikman threw for 53%, 9 TD's, and 18 INTs in his first year.
I guess those guys suck too. Oh well...
Sorry to quote myself, but I wanted to bring this up again.
I'm not saying Vyoung sucks. If I've been unclear about that, I'm sorry, it was unintentional. I just don't think he deserved ROY.
The Broncos also have a MUCH better team. they had one of the top defenses in the league, and many solid offensive weapons. Other than himself, and at times, Travis Henry, who did VY have on his offense to go to?
UR a smart dude!!!
Denver Broncos: 9-7
Tennessee ans: 8-8
You don't only win one extra game with a "MUCH" better team.
Pulling a Qb because he is hurting your chances of making the playoffs is completely different than putting in a qb with no expectations on a team with no chance of doing anything except getting the first pick. Then leading that said team to within 1 game of the playoffs is amazing. You keep acting like Im putting MJD down, Im not I think he is great, I just think Vinces run with his team, especially considering the 0 and 5 start compared to the Jags 5 and 3 start, was incredible. Both teams were 1 game aaway from the playoffs, which team was supposed to be there
like you said, they switched from Plummer to Cutler. if the Broncos stayed with Plummer, they are in the playoffs.
Good Point...........don't ever say such blasphemy again though.
I don't think either team was supposed to be there.
Alright fellas. Stretch, Mardigan, JGW, good debate.
I have to run. But I'll say this first, I don't totally disagree with VY being OROY but I don't totally agree with it either.
I think the ans will be a .500 team again next year and the year after (someone quote this when they win the Super Bowl next year so I can look stupid) and will have to build a team around Vyoung because he's going to get better eventually.
MJD will also get better and look for him to go over 1,500 next season.
Either way........I love NFL Football.
Marion Barber averaged about 5 a carry with 16 tds, it doesnt mean I think he would have been that great without Jones, as MJD wouldnt have been the same without Taylor. And its not the end record Bronncos having won 1 more game, its when the wins came. 0 and 5 start vs 7 and 3 start? You cant really believe that the ans team is as good as the Broncos, I mean come on
...except i am not a hater. there is a difference between thinking someone will not make it and hoping they don't make it. i only think he won't make it.
in fact there are times when i am watching vyoung play on the ans and i am almost pulling for him to do well and saying nice play in my head. i don't hate vyoung...thats ridiculous.
I didn't get you to say you hated VY? I'm sorry....my mistake.
that was my interpretation of what you thought, not what i think....come one, smart guy.
Didn't I read somewhere you went to college?
Smart guy.
eh, i haven't slept in over 2 days...my bad.
Not a problem.....just messing with you. The hate (even though you say u have none) is all in good fun. I used to like the University of Snotty Children a long time ago.
ESPN ruined it for me.
...i can understand that. two reasons:
1. USC has been at the top or near for a very long time (5 yrs)
2. even though SC has been damn good, ESPN did hype them up too much
so yeah, if you're not a USC fan i can understand that.
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