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I do think West is going senile - but do you really think he'd want that? Maybe throw in a second rounder.
What about Chucky Atkins and Jake Tsakalidis for Eric Williams and Beno Udrih?
The Grizzlies are going nowhere and are just going to let Atkins and Tsakalidis walk after the season. The Spurs could plug in Atkins as their backup point guard and Tsakalidis could come in handy if the Spurs go up against Shaq or Yao in the playoffs.
Oh and Atkins and Tsakalidis both have expiring contracts.
I do think West is going senile - but do you really think he'd want that? Maybe throw in a second rounder.
Watson + Petro for Barry + Udrih
Yeah, throw in a sweetener if need be.
I don't find many decent point guard available that can come in and produce right away, don't cost much, play for a bad team and have an expiring contract.
Atkins isn't great but I don't see many other options out there.
Petro's not a great rebounder.
Beno's not a good player.
aha.
I guess you want to say with the comparison, that the chance that it will happen is rather low.
didn't know, that players on minimum contracts, who average 10 MPG and who get a DNP every third game, are virtualy untradeable.
especially when thoses players will see their minutes reduced even more, because some more guys have been aquired, who play the same spot.
hm.
in other words: it won't ever happen that team A trades a minimum player, who is a 3rd stringer on their team, to team B, where he would be a 2nd stringer and gets a minimum player in return, who happens to be a 3rd stringer on team B and would be a 2nd stringer on team A.
wait, I guess I can recall, that such trades in fact have happened in the past.
so it might be a proper conclusion, that a trade of Baston is a bit more likely than a trade of Lebron for Beno, as you claim.
Actually I like this deal. While I'm still a proponent of fiscal responsibility in the 'out years' (aka the '08 plan), I think Watson could be a deciding factor in a championship run. His defense and energy are great and he's not offensively inept.
I see the Spurs trotting out a Parker/Watson backcourt to defensively counter the Harris/Terry and Nash/Barbosa combos.
I also like the Seattle idea.
Watson is for sure available for the right price, he is unhappy in Seattle and the Sonics want to get rid of his quite big contract for a back-up PG.
but that is the major reason, why Spurs would hesitate to aquire him.
all in all he would have most of the qualities we do lack from Beno and of course he is much better than Vaughn.
I don't think, that the Sonics will throw in a Center prospect in such a deal, but maybe they would add Gelabale, a player I wished the Spurs would have drafted 2005.
(I once argued, that Spurs should have better traded down 2005, the first rounder for 2 second rounders and get Mahinmi + Gelabale for it, because no other team would have drafted Mahinmi higher than bottom half of 2nd round)
my only concern with watson is he wants to start. i'm hoping that's only because he thought he was better than luke. if he can accept a back up role to tony, our PG situation is set. he'd be the best back up we've had in a long time and Pop could rest tony more. Right now, when Beno comes into the game, i expect momentum to shift and the lead to evaporate...
Agree with everything you said (especially about the centers b/c they're unsure if any of them will pan out), except for the $$$ Watson makes.
The only downside to him making $5M+ per year is if he thinks he deserves to start or play major minutes based on that salary. I know he feels that way on a crappy Seattle team and did on a so-so Nuggets team, but one would hope he'd come to his senses on a championship-contending Spurs team with an established all-star backcourt.
Pay that kid whatever he wants as long as he helps bring home the bacon.
The problem with your scenario is that Mahinmi has stayed in the draft only because Spurs have guaranteed him to draft him with a first round pick (guaranteed salary). Using a second round pick on Mahinmi wasn't possible.
Which other frenchman would you rather have? Gelabele or Petro?
Gelabale, easily.
Petro is a lazy ass who doesn't like BB and who is only a BB player because he is 7' and quite athletic. Unless he changes his mind, he is the next Moiso.
probably, has this ever been confirmed?
I mean, isn't such an agreement somehow illegal?
and another (hypothetical) scenario:
what if a player had slipped far more than expected? a player like Jarret Jack (who the Spurs loved, what we know since they tried to trade Beno for him in the summer 2005)
or even someone like Hakim Warrick or Danny Granger.
would the FO have said like "oh, sorry, we know that we would be idiots not to pick thoses guys, but we commited our pick to a 18 years old Frenchman, who is an intriguing athlete, but raw as a newly-laid egg".
if they had in fact made such a commitment, the FO are even more misguided, than I thought.
I would agree, if I thought the back-up PG is the only problem we have to fix, to get a chance for winning the le.
unfortunatly the often mentioned athletic wing is even more important. so if the aquisation of Watsons contract blocks the chance for aquiring the wing, I would hesitate to throw big money at the PG, before having solved the wing issue.
Depends on the Front Office....the Clippers picked Yaroslav Korolev at #11 when Granger and a bunch of others slipped that were clearly more talented because they had a pre-draft agreement, but I'm sure there are instances where FOs go back on their word....
And to answer your question about whether a deal was in place, Mahinmi was quoted saying somethign to the effect of: "I got a call from the Spurs and was confident about my chances."
It has been confirmed. Mahinmi's plan was to withdraw from the 05' draft. The 05' draft was just to make some noise around his name but he has stayed because he get the guarantee to get a guaranteed contract from Spurs (a first round pick).
Yes they would have said that.
You had to take some risks during the draft and Spurs (especially Presti) were really high on Mahinmi. Promising a first round pick was the only way to get Mahinmi because he would easily have been a first round pick in 06'.
Why do you think he'd "easily" be a first round pick in '06? The big story for that type of player last year was Saer Sene, who is physically and athletically much more gifted than Mahinmi. Late in the round guys like Josh Boone were going, and it's not clear they'd be passed for him. I'm not sure who would have grabbed him before the second round.
Sene was the 10th pick, I haven't said that Mahinmi would have been a lotery pick.
Mahinmi was a way better project than Joel Freeland who has been drafted with the last pick of the first round and he was very close (even maybe better) than Pecherov who has been drafted with the 18th pick.
Comparing him to Boone is very difficult because Bonne is 2 years older and plays in NCAA. Boone wasn't too considered as a great prospect, a lot of people have questioned his at ude.
BTW, I'm not saying that Mahinmi will be a good nba player.
Almost wrote that in response to the original Kori post, but then I thought about Williams' expiring contract and the MLE given each year to over-the-cap teams. I mean, if the Spurs make the Earl Watson acquisition, they're almost better off getting over the cap for 08 from a cost/benefit perspective right?
Bottom Line: Even if they get Watson, I think they could still snag a rebounder with Williams this year and/or the MLE next year.
So by jumping the gun by a year, the Spurs were able to acquire the same player they could have had at the same spot the next year? I realize they didn't have a first in 2006, but that runs in the face of so much optimism people automatically leaven on Mahinmi around here.
I'm not saying he'll be a good NBA player, either.
right now, I'm not saying he'll be a good Euroleague player.
Ha. Exactly.
*gazes forlornly at David Lee (in an entirely non-gay way)*
Mahinmi was drafted with the 28th pick in 05. He could have been drafted with the 25th pick in 06. They wanted him and they got him for sure with a late first, instead of waiting one year and maybe having him with a late first. Nice move.
With hindsight, it wasn't that stupid to spend a first round pick on a player who wasn't a legit first round pick because one year later he was a legit first round pick.
It's not because two posters who have only seen highlight for him called him the next Robinson that you can say that there are so much optimism about him on this board. Most people on this board think that he is a good prospect, nothing more, nothing less.
But, I'm not saying that he will be a bust too.
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