Parker is so non-clutch

[George Gervin's Afro]

TP for Starbury

NEVER

[nkdlunch]

he would involve his teamates more and be a better crunch time option.. yet you'd keep the guy that does not bring those?

we would gain some things, but we would also lose some things with Parker. Come on, you can't see what Parker brings to the table?

great penetrating threat, speeds up the game, knows the Spurs gameplan, proven winner, etc,etc.

Bibby is going downhill, he is inconsistent, etc.

[SoCal Lakeshow]

I admit have not watched Bibby in a while it just seems like when that guy is on he's lights out. I have the impression of Bibby that he does not have to rely soley on athletic ability to score..

Bibby is still a very good player and very clutch. But you guys would be fools to trade a young Tony Parker for an older, always has nagging injuries, Mike Bibby.

[George Gervin's Afro]

we would gain some things, but we would also lose some things with Parker. Come on, you can't see what Parker brings to the table?

great penetrating threat, speeds up the game, knows the Spurs gameplan, proven winner, etc,etc.

TP doesn't suck. He's a good player but I don't think his style of play fits the Spurs. Now since Pop seems to disagree with me then maybe I'm wrong but I just feel sometimes that we need a player that plays smarter and does not force the issue when it is not needed..

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

Bibby is still a very good player and very clutch. But you guys would be fools to trade a young Tony Parker for an older, always has nagging injuries, Mike Bibby.

Also, Bibby's defense is poo poo

[nkdlunch]

TP doesn't suck. He's a good player but I don't think his style of play fits the Spurs. Now since Pop seems to disagree with me then maybe I'm wrong but I just feel sometimes that we need a player that plays smarter and does not force the issue when it is not needed..

I agree with that. TPs style of play does not match good w/Spurs as they are right now, OLD AND SLOW.

It's not TPs fault.

When Spurs want to go on a run, you don't wanna have TP playing the way he does. Because the other players are gonna be in his way. But that's all on Pop. IMO Pop is also making mistakes by having TP play that way, in 4th gear while the rest of the spurs are playing in 2nd gear.

[AFBlue]

ARe you kidding me? Aside from salary problem, I would dump Parker for Kidd almost as fast as I would for Billups. There are lot of young PG's that I would trade for right now for Parker. I think we can get a very good young PG for Parker and maybe even a draft pick. Trading Parker right now could be a great move for today and future if Spurs FO has the guts to make such a big move, assuming they can get a good deal. , I would even trade Parker for Hinrich if Chicago throws in a first rounder. Don't know about Eric Snow however.....

Parker for Hinrich??? You lost it.

Unless it's the first rounder they're gonna swap with the Knicks...which won't happen.

BTW, I said real-world...meaning realistic.

The only "realistic" trade is Kidd...which boggles my mind, because the last thing I'd want the Spurs to do is get OLDER.

[cheguevara]

OMG Hinrich would be so awesome in the SPurs. THat is a true PG + he can play D. Ok stop dreaming now.

[AFBlue]

OMG Hinrich would be so awesome in the SPurs. THat is a true PG + he can play D. Ok stop dreaming now.

Hinrich is not a defensive pg and he's averaging 15pts and 6asts in 35 mpg...how is that an upgrade?!?

[JPB]

I agree with that. TPs style of play does not match good w/Spurs as they are right now, OLD AND SLOW.

It's not TPs fault.

When Spurs want to go on a run, you don't wanna have TP playing the way he does. Because the other players are gonna be in his way. But that's all on Pop. IMO Pop is also making mistakes by having TP play that way, in 4th gear while the rest of the spurs are playing in 2nd gear.

Yes, but you don't have to trade TP so the OLD and SLOW can play in 2nd gear but trade the OLD and SLOW so TP and the spurs can play in 4th gear.

[ArgSpursFan]

I agree with that. TPs style of play does not match good w/Spurs as they are right now, OLD AND SLOW.

It's not TPs fault.

When Spurs want to go on a run, you don't wanna have TP playing the way he does. Because the other players are gonna be in his way. But that's all on Pop. IMO Pop is also making mistakes by having TP play that way, in 4th gear while the rest of the spurs are playing in 2nd gear.

I´d say TP style has changed in the last 2 years,reather tham the spurs don´t fit Parker´s style.I looks like since he hangs out with eva he wants all the flashes, and wanna be on ESPN top 10 plays all the time,tham winning another championship.

[ArgSpursFan]

2006-07
Tony - 19.3p, 5.3a, 54%FG (3pt - 48%)
Bibby - 17.9p, 5.6a, 38%FG (3pt - 29%)

Last playoffs vs Kings
Tony - 22/5/51%
Bibby - 17/5/42%

I see your point Kori,but we are saying he is not a clutch player,thats all,it´s not about numbers,cause he has the numbers.In my opinion he wants his numbers better tham another championship

[ArgSpursFan]

The spurs have not won a game Eva has attended

Ofcourse, TP just wanna show off,and forgets about the rest of the team

[Kori Ellis]

I´d say TP style has changed in the last 2 years,reather tham the spurs don´t fit Parker´s style.I looks like since he hangs out with eva he wants all the flashes, and wanna be on ESPN top 10 plays all the time,tham winning another championship.

Ridiculous.

[Kori Ellis]

Ofcourse, TP just wanna show off,and forgets about the rest of the team

It's not true. They've won a lot of games with Eva in the stands.

[ArgSpursFan]

Ridiculous.

I tell you He´ll go to LA when his contract is up.

He´d play for free if he has to

[Kori Ellis]

I tell you He´ll go to LA when his contract is up.

He´d play for free if he has to

[Spurminator]

lol

Mike Bibby.

Thread over.

[nkdlunch]

I´d say TP style has changed in the last 2 years,reather tham the spurs don´t fit Parker´s style.I looks like since he hangs out with eva he wants all the flashes, and wanna be on ESPN top 10 plays all the time,tham winning another championship.

another poster giving argentines a bad name

[ArgSpursFan]

another poster giving argentines a bad name

You know what?,I like parker to be honest,I just don´t like the Fancy Parker who wants to be the team´s top scorer, and clutch player, reather tham being in the league´s apg top 5, and winnin another tle
Besides that he is a good player

[George Gervin's Afro]

lol

Mike Bibby.

Thread over.

Bibby or Parker taking the last shot?

[Spurminator]

Neither.

Bibby or Parker for the first 47 minutes of a game? Parker by a mile.

[Manu_The _Best]

I got kicked out of the Spursreport forum because early last season, I criticized Parker too much in the administrator's opinion. Basically what I said was that Parker has a very poor court vision & is too one-dimensional (penetrate & layup) to be considered anywhere near the top point-guard in the league. I also stated that I feared Spurs would not go far in the playoffs with Parker directing the offence (I duly noted that Popovich had given Parker much more responsibility for offence as well as green light to shoot more) and his lack of defence. Sure enough, Dallas knocked Spurs off despite heroic effort from Duncan and as USUAL, Parker dissappeared in the key moments in that series.

Watching last night's game reminded me why I get so frustrated watching Parker. The kid has all the natural talent but his basketball IQ or court vision must be very very low. And his inability to play tough in pressure situation is so consistent that I am inclined to believe that he cannot handle pressure in the latter stages of games. If you watch Parker, he always comes out very strong in games or in series only to basically dissappear in the crunch minutes or key games once the opposing defence starts to collapse their defence and prevent him from penetrating. Unlike Nash who can punish you if you back off him, Parker's jump shot is still so unreliable that as soon as the crunch time comes, you can see parker is so reluctant to take the important shots -- always deferring to Manu or Duncan. So effectively, our offence becomes very one-dimensional in key moments because Parker and Bowen dissappears and the only options are Manu and Duncan.

I know many posters love Parker because he is so quick and he can penetrate/finish. Unfortunately, this is not enough for a PG. And also his defence is a quite a big liability. Lastly how come makes so many turnovers in key moments but his steal numbers are so low??? I do not have scientific proof or data to support this but I watch almost all Spurs games and the general impression I have of parker is that he committs way too many mental errors and basically tends to "dissappear" in key moments when the games are close and are hanging in the balance.

I said last year that I can easily name 10 PG that are probably more clutch, and better than Parker.....(i included Hinrich in that list) and everyone at Spursreport laughed at me.

I am not trying to bash parker but it is so surprising how ineffective he becomes in clutch time and how many errors he makes and how little he contributes to the team. Parker playing one-on-five is simply not going to work in playoffs or in crunch time. Especially against an atheletic team like Dallas or even Phoenix. To me, Hinrich, Paul, Nash, Billups, Kidd, Andre Miller, etc etc. or any one of 10 other PG would be a far better fit than Parker. Parker will score...in the early going and then dissappear when the crunch time comes. PG is one of the most important position, and I can't imagine Spurs winning it all this year relying only on Duncan and Manu in key points in the games.

Don't worry, you are NOT alone. The same thing happened to me because I criticized Pop...FORGET ABOUT THE SPURS REPORT FORUM – it is BOGUS FORUM run by a mentally unstable Spurs Fans - you don't have the right to state your opinion there which is a JOKE. I respect this FORUM because you get a chance to tell your story and your opinion - CONGRATS to the Administrators here!!! We are ALL Spurs Fans and have the right to an outburst from time to time, especially the regular season ticket holders and the NBA League Pass holders - we are paying the salaries of those players, so we CANNOT say anything when they play bad??? COME ON! I agree with your opinion about Tony - read my other posts where I stated that Tony was simply transformed to a scorer, NOTHING MORE, which is a mistake of Pop - Tony needs to be the running guy with 8-9+ asts per game and not taking that many shots - we also need a backup PG as well for the lack of performance of Beno...Pop needs to find some SF(s) to be scorers and rebounders S. Marion type, Bonzi Wells, etc. WHY the Spurs didn't go after Bonzi Wells I have no idea???

[pppp]

Bibby or Parker taking the last shot?

ask any Kings fan....the way Bibby has been playing lately, nobody would count on him to win a game.

And they would trade Bibby for Tony anyday...

The TP hate is

Spurs have biggest issues right now !

[ArgSpursFan]

Neither.

Bibby or Parker for the first 47 minutes of a game? Parker by a mile.

True,but in playoffs the 80-90% of the games you win them or loose them in the final minute.